MADAME WEB Recycles Footage From SPIDER-MAN 2 But What, If Anything, Does It Mean? - SPOILERS

MADAME WEB Recycles Footage From SPIDER-MAN 2 But What, If Anything, Does It Mean? - SPOILERS

Madame Web may go down as one of the worst superhero movies ever made, but it's leaving us with plenty to discuss...including a baffling use of footage from 2004's Spider-Man 2! Find more details here.

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By JoshWilding - Feb 16, 2024 09:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Madame Web

Madame Web is a strange addition to Sony's slate of Marvel movies. With a 2003 setting, it could have quite easily set the stage for some big stories set in the present day, potentially even tying into franchises like Venom and Kraven the Hunter.

After all, if the live-action Peter Parker is off-limits to Sony for the duration of its deal with Marvel Studios, why not pit the team that The Vulture started assembling in Morbius against Madame Web and her Spider-Women instead?

While Ben Parker and his sister-in-law, Mary, do factor into the Madame Web movie, the latter gives birth to a baby who is never named. As many of you have already pointed out, it's as if Sony forgot they own the rights to the web-slinger and can, in fact, mention him in their movies. Then again, the story taking place in 2003 raises even more questions as none of the live-action Spider-Men are compatible with the date.

Spider-Man: No Way Home, for example, is set in 2024 and Peter is 17. You can fudge the numbers by taking The Blip into account, but Madame Web is not an MCU movie, leaving us to wonder how the hero could travel from that reality to Earth-616. It's a clusterf**k. 

Now, though, some eagle-eyed fans have noticed that Madame Web's final few moments recycle footage from 2004's Spider-Man 2. Is this a clever Easter Egg or was Sony looking to save some cash by borrowing a scene from their archives instead of shooting hitting the streets and filming a new version? 

Neither would surprise us, but in the leaked sequence below, you may also notice that a burglar who fights Sydney Sweeney's Spider-Woman bears a striking resemblance to Spider-Man's Dennis Carradine (played by Michael Papajohn). 

He was the guy we thought killed Uncle Ben and has undeniable similarities - right down to his clothing - to what we saw on screen way back in 2002. Does this mean Spider-Woman is fending him off in Ben Parker's house? If so, is Ben never shot and killed?!

It's hard to say, though we can't help but wonder whether there was once more to these flashforwards. 

Either way, it's clear Sony Pictures majorly dropped the ball with Madame Web and, like Morbius, we'd bet on the movie looking very different at one time...

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Evansly
Evansly - 2/16/2024, 9:54 AM
It means they don't know what they are doing
Origame
Origame - 2/16/2024, 9:59 AM
And if this were an mcu movie, this would be what Josh would actually write:

"What is the masterpiece madame web reusing footage from spiderman 2 saying about the upcoming secret wars movie? Are they saying Tom Holland spiderman is actually a variant from another universe? We're excited to find out, as there's clearly an answer and you're sexist for not liking this"
VamP5659
VamP5659 - 2/16/2024, 10:02 AM
@Origame - damn, spot on right there lol.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 2/16/2024, 10:14 AM
@Origame -


Jesus Christ you have MCU derangement syndrome.🤡


This film is getting dragged by everyone and their momma and somehow you make this about the MCU and make it about some dumb culture war bs.🤡🤡🤡



You need help
Variant
Variant - 2/16/2024, 10:27 AM
@Origame - But it's not an MCU movie yet here you are finding a way to twist and shout. Shut up already. If you're gonna sit around and talk shit like a little tween, this is the film to do it with. But you don't...really shows how irrational your MCU hate is.
Origame
Origame - 2/16/2024, 10:30 AM
@AmazingFILMporg - ...no. I'm making this about Josh's double standard.

Everything he said in defense of the marvels and other mcu projects is thrown out of the window so he can bash madame web.

Only person in need of help is the guy feeling the need to white knight for Josh. 🤣
Origame
Origame - 2/16/2024, 10:31 AM
@Variant - hence the hypothetical.

This isn't bashing the mcu. It's bashing Josh's double standards.
IronMan616
IronMan616 - 2/16/2024, 10:31 AM
@Origame - Hack Wilding made an entire article about some line from the movie, yet I can't find an article he made about "Black girl magic"

Dude is a hack and a hypocrite.
Origame
Origame - 2/16/2024, 10:37 AM
@Variant - oh and BTW, you seem to be fine with the constant madame web bashing yet you were preaching to ME about being too negative.

Where's that energy here? He's posting like 5 articles a day bashing this one movie, and you're clearly in the comments section.

It's almost as if you only care when the negativity is against the mcu 🤔
Origame
Origame - 2/16/2024, 10:38 AM
@IronMan616 - don't forget the soyboy mcu defenders like the porg and the variant.
AmazingFILMporg
AmazingFILMporg - 2/16/2024, 10:43 AM
@Origame -


You used soyboy unironically🤡🤡🤡.



Cringe😐
IronMan616
IronMan616 - 2/16/2024, 10:44 AM
@Origame - The soy flows deep over here.
Variant
Variant - 2/16/2024, 10:53 AM
@Origame - Um yeah, because these Sony films are ACTUALLY horrible. The worst infraction the MCU has committed is MID tier. Not a damn thing they've made over 40+ projects has been anywhere close to as bad as Morbius or Madame Web.

You've got this shit all backwards. Sony deserves the negativity because they're downright tarnishing the Marvel brand. While the MCU deserves criticism AT TIMES, they also deserve credit where it's due.

Where you are constantly wrong is your irrational negativity and inability to direct your criticism where it's actually warranted.

Here we have Sony dropping turd after turd and you offer no criticism whatsoever but instead try to associate it with the MCU who has nothing to do with these awful films. All while slandering one of the writers here like a punk.

Meanwhile, an MCU project comes out like The Marvels and Echo which were no less than mediocre -- and actually liked by many -- and you talk shit like it's your job. YOU HAVE ISSUES.
Variant
Variant - 2/16/2024, 10:54 AM
@IronMan616 - It sure does. I see y'all whining waaaayyyy too much. Grow some...
Origame
Origame - 2/16/2024, 11:15 AM
@AmazingFILMporg - yes, you being a soyboy is cringe.
Origame
Origame - 2/16/2024, 11:16 AM
@IronMan616 - well we just put a whole foods near them...
Origame
Origame - 2/16/2024, 11:18 AM
@Variant - well thanks for admitting all that sh!t about negativity was full of sh!t.

Also, as bad as those were, they weren't breaking box office records for biggest flop.

Also, how are they so bad compared to the mcu. You never explain other than tiers.
supermanrex
supermanrex - 2/16/2024, 11:24 AM
@Variant - origame's argument is that diversity in the MCU films is just as tarnishing as sony killing the CBM vibe.
Origame
Origame - 2/16/2024, 11:35 AM
@supermanrex - it's their focus on diversity over good storytelling that's my argument.

And yes, I'd say the flood of sh!t from marvel is far more damaging to the genre than 2 movies from a company everyone already stopped caring about.

And before you say anything, even Bob iger admitted they need to focus on being entertainers first.
IronMan616
IronMan616 - 2/16/2024, 11:43 AM
@Origame - Bob Iger is on record admitting agenda comes before profits. Yet these people defend him to no end. Disney is not a "for profit" business, and they defend it to no end. The Mrvels, Indiana Jones, Pixar, D+ shows like She-Hulk, Willow, and others have all been failures, and these people keep defending them to no end.

But we're the negative ones when we call them on their bullshit and hypocrasy.
Origame
Origame - 2/16/2024, 11:50 AM
@IronMan616 - yeah, exactly. I never give mark Cassidy sh!t for speaking bad about madame web. Because I agree, it's hot garbage and he holds the same standards between all movies.

But these shills long since decided that marvel was the gold standard, all other companies are the real ones ruining the genre, and will repeat it despite all evidence to the contrary.

Take what variant had to say about there apparently being times it's good to be negative to marvel. I genuinely have no idea when that time is, because he's come after me for literally anything mcu related. Even defending f@#$ing secret invasion, saying it's a good show.
supermanrex
supermanrex - 2/16/2024, 1:19 PM
@Origame - being better entertainers is one thing. he still gonna have blacks, women and lgbtq representation in the films so you DEI tinfoil hatters are going to be still have boiling blood.
Origame
Origame - 2/16/2024, 2:23 PM
@supermanrex - stop insisting its not real. It just makes you look dumb when you're proven wrong.

https://dei.extension.org/
supermanrex
supermanrex - 2/16/2024, 3:39 PM
@Origame - here you go dude....
EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 2/16/2024, 4:00 PM
@Origame - You're gonna' have to just forgive those other users. They probably missed the bevy of positive comments you typically post.
Origame
Origame - 2/16/2024, 4:09 PM
@supermanrex - dude, you got to make it clear what you mean. Are you saying you need tin foil if you think DEI is a thing? Because it is. It's literally just diversity, equity, and inclusivity. Which are all buzzwords they use to promote these films.

Are you saying it's a conspiracy these films aren't successful? Because the mcu really fell after focusing on it. You have to admit bare minimum an argument is to be had.

Or are you saying its a conspiracy to believe this is being done to deliberately sabotage these franchises, which is a claim I never made.
Origame
Origame - 2/16/2024, 4:17 PM
@EskimoJ - oh har har but yes they do. Such as with guardians 3, no way home, the boys, and plenty of others.

I admit to being mostly negative, but that doesn't mean I can't be positive.

But again, double standards. None of you guys care about a sufficient amount of negative content coming from this site if it's aimed at anything but marvel.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 2/16/2024, 7:31 PM
@Origame - people stopped caring about the MCU too... It's only people on sites like these that care about either.
Variant
Variant - 2/17/2024, 12:47 PM
@Origame - Because it's mostly whiney, irrational nonsense. You keep thinking you're intelligent but you're just not. You don't offer any sort of mature critique. It's always some tweeny sounding complaining followed by a laugh react that just makes it look like you're laughing in a corner by yourself.

So just shut up already. This site would be significantly better without your whiney bullshit.
Origame
Origame - 2/17/2024, 12:53 PM
@Variant - you think it's irrational that he's holding double standards?

Also, as evident by the comments here, most people agree with me that Josh is a hack.

Also also, did you see the movie? Because you just roped yourself into a logical corner there my friend. Either you did watch it, which goes against the idea you presented before that you don't like negativity and ignore films you aren't interested. And if you didn't watch madame web, then you have no business complaining about it yourself considering your reaction to my complaints of echo prior to seeing it.

Good luck working that out in the peanut you call a brain 🤣
Variant
Variant - 2/17/2024, 12:55 PM
@IronMan616 - @Origame - He damn near said the opposite.

"Iger said at the DealBook Summit in New York on Wednesday. “We have to entertain first. It’s not about messages.”
Variant
Variant - 2/17/2024, 1:04 PM
@Origame - "well thanks for admitting all that sh!t about negativity was full of sh!t."

Your fvcking horrible comprehension fails you again. I did nothing of the sort. Read it over and over again until you understand it. Your negativity is nonsensical and EXCESSIVE. That's what it boils down to. And you talk all this shit about Wilding, yet your predictable ass is always in the forums talking shit like a bum with no life. You have this weird fvcking hate-fetish with the MCU and it's just straight up pathetic.

Meanwhile, I critique where it's due and I give credit where it's due. Like a normal person.

"Also, how are they so bad compared to the mcu. You never explain other than tiers."

Every aspect of the films. The writing. The dialogue. The creative direction. And it's all reflected by reviews, BO performance, bad press, and word of mouth. So stop acting stupid about it. It's glaringly fvcking obvious.
IronMan616
IronMan616 - 2/17/2024, 1:07 PM
@Variant - when did he say that? Just recently? Because the video I saw was him from a few years ago after the J6 capitol thing. So now he’s flip flopping back to “entertainment comes first “ because everything they’ve put out has been shit and complete failures all for the sake of their “message”. F*cking loser Iger.
Variant
Variant - 2/17/2024, 1:14 PM
@EskimoJ - LOL. Tally up the times he's positive and the times he's negative. He even knows he complains too much. I bet the ratio is like 99 to 1 with no exaggeration.

He's even tried to defend it by saying negativity and positivity are equal and if someone can be positive all the time he's no different for being negative all the time. I even had to go to lengths as to explain how idiotic that is. The social acceptance of negativity is certainly NOT the same. But I guess I have to be a kindergarten teacher around here...

- Positive test results / negative test results
- Positive attitude / negative attitude
- Positive reactions / negative reactions
- Positive bank account / negative bank account

He still doesn't comprehend it and insists his incessant negativity isn't a mental health issue.

So "the bevy of positive comments he typically posts" is a straight up lie.
Origame
Origame - 2/17/2024, 1:20 PM
@Variant - 1) it's almost as if he contradicts himself.

2) in context, he was admitting the company was too focused on the message and needs to be reminded they're entertainers first.
Variant
Variant - 2/17/2024, 1:22 PM
@IronMan616 - You sound like an idiot. "Fvcking loser Iger." Read his book. He's literally the opposite of a loser. You on the other hand don't sound remotely successful. Maybe look inward.

As for when he said this, November 2023. So not too long ago. But by all means, go grab the quote instead of just saying he said something. That isn't dealing in facts. Let's examine and see if you twisted his words and took what he was saying out of context for your own whiney rhetoric.

In the meantime, here are more quotes from Iger that would suggest you're wrong about Iger's objectives.

"Bob Iger, the CEO of Disney, has said that the company's primary mission is to entertain and have a positive impact on the world. He has also said that Disney should not be agenda-driven.
Iger has also said that Disney should return to its roots and remember that it must first entertain. He has said that Disney should tell good stories and give people a nice message when needed, but stop with the politics and agendas."
Origame
Origame - 2/17/2024, 1:23 PM
@Variant - dude, you totally did. Maybe reread what you've been saying to me. It's not about the negativity. It never was. You don't give a sh!t about anyone being too negative. All you care about is that the negativity isn't going towards the mcu.

"I critique when it's due and give credit where it's due"

In other words, if its marvel you praise if it's any other you automatically view it as a failure. Dude, you even praised secret invasion.

And interesting. So you've seen the movie then?
Variant
Variant - 2/17/2024, 1:27 PM
@supermanrex - Origame's argument about anything society related is fvcked beyond belief. He doesn't understand race relations -- thinks being "color blind" is the answer to racism, he doesn't understand women -- says catcalling isn't objectively bad, he doesn't understand social acceptance -- behaves like a whiney punk and thinks being excessively negative isn't a problem...

The list goes on. He has mental issues that need to be addressed but instead of being responsible with his mental health, he just subjects his surroundings to it like an inconsiderate dick head.
Variant
Variant - 2/17/2024, 1:30 PM
@Origame - It's almost as if he doesn't and y'all just take previous statements from him out of context to align with your negative bullshit.

I've now posted multiple quotes that prove y'all wrong. As per usual...
Origame
Origame - 2/17/2024, 1:37 PM
@Variant - dude, you literally took him out of context to make it seem like he's saying disney has been about entertaining over the message. 🤣

Also, he has said they're gonna focus on the message. @IronMan616 is accurate.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2024/02/13/newly-leaked-video-suggests-disneys-turn-to-politics-was-driven-by-bob-igers-opposition-to-jan-6th-we-should-be-taking-a-stand/
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