SPIDER-MAN 4: Everything You Need To Know About Marvel's Rumored Plans For VENOM, The Spider-Men, And More

SPIDER-MAN 4: Everything You Need To Know About Marvel's Rumored Plans For VENOM, The Spider-Men, And More

With rumors continuing to swirl about Marvel and Sony's plans for Spider-Man 4, we've rounded up all the biggest details you need to now about plans for a movie supposedly titled Spider-Man: King in Black.

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By JoshWilding - Oct 15, 2024 01:10 PM EST
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It's been nearly three years since Spider-Man: No Way Home was released in theaters and we may have a good eighteen months or so before Spider-Man 4 finally hits the big screen. 

The hope is that the movie will be worth the wait, and with Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings director Destin Daniel Cretton at the helm, we're expecting something special. The question is, what story do Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures plan on telling?

Rumours have been running rampant in recent weeks and, with Venom: The Last Dance nearly here, now feels like a good time to sift through those reports to bring you a better idea of what to expect. From plot details to supporting characters and villains, we have a full breakdown that better explains the story's place in the wider Multiverse Saga. 

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8. An "Avengers-Level" Event...Featuring Venom!

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While it was initially reported that Spider-Man 4 would be a street-level adventure pitting the wall-crawler and Daredevil against Mayor Wilson Fisk, things changed earlier this year with the rumour it had evolved into "an Avengers-level event."

We were later told that "a movie can have multiversal elements and still be a street-level story," with Spider-Man 4 described as a "blend" of both.

There's surely no way Marvel Studios can blend both ideas. However, even if Spidey does battle a Multiversal threat, that doesn't mean he won't be protecting the people of New York City while doing so. He'll have some company, though...Venom!
 

7. Venom: The Last Dance's Reshoots

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Almost immediately after Knull, God of the Symbiotes, was revealed in the final Venom: The Last Dance trailer, a story dropped claiming the plan is for the Marvel Studios to have Tom Holland's Spider-Man and Tom Hardy's Venom team up in Spider-Man 4.

Knull is supposedly "seeking to enshroud the entire multiverse in his darkness following its discovery," and with this movie coming out between Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars, it becoming more than a street-level adventure was perhaps inevitable. 

Despite the Venom threequel taking place in Las Vegas, Hardy was recently spotted filming in New York for last-minute reshoots. Apparently, those may have taken place to bring Eddie Brock back to Earth-616. 
 

6. A New Trilogy

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Once Knull is dealt with and the MCU is softly rebooted following the events of Avengers: Secret Wars, two more Spider-Man movies will supposedly follow. Peter Parker is also expected to have a major role in Avengers: Doomsday

Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures have reportedly reached a new deal to keep the web-slinger in the MCU for both another trilogy and two or three additional appearances, something we're sure Holland was fine with agreeing to after his mixed fortunes away from this role. 

Crucially, this also means the door isn't closed on that team-up with Daredevil. With Daredevil: Born Again season 2 delayed by a creative overhaul and strikes, we're not shocked to see Spidey pulled back into the Multiverse of Madness. 
 

5. Spider-Man: King In Black

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"Home" was the main theme in the previous Spider-Man trilogy's titles from Homecoming to Far From Home and, eventually, No Way Home. One semi-reliable insider has since claimed that this fourth chapter will go by the far more specific Spider-Man: King in Black

Spider-Man: King in Black? That has a nice ring to it. It also adds weight to rumours the hero will battle Knull - the King in Black in question - and where he goes, Venom surely can't be far behind. 

Venom: The Last Dance director Kelly Marcel has confirmed the threequel is "just the beginning" and that he won't be a one-off villain. She'd add, "Beyond this trilogy, there are more stories to explore - God is coming."
 

4. Plans For Andrew Garfield And Tobey Maguire

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Even before the Venom rumours, there was chatter online about Sony wanting Spider-Man 4 to be another Multiversal movie involving Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire. Why? Because Spider-Man: No Way Home made almost $1.2 billion in 2021. 

It didn't take long for us to hear that "there is a very strong possibility they show up for an extended role this time around," meaning we could see a lot more of them in Spider-Man 4.

They're also expected to appear in both Avengers movies, though Garfield may be the main Spider-Man in Avengers: Secret Wars if what we've heard in recent weeks is anywhere close to accurate. Maguire will be there too, but likely as a supporting character. 
 

3. A New Suit...And Doom!

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There has to be a reason Spider-Man: No Way Home saw Eddie leave a piece of his alien suit behind on Earth-616 and we anticipate that being addressed in Venom: The Last Dance. Either way, the past year has been dominated by claims Peter will don the black suit in Spider-Man 4.

A team-up with Venom makes that even more likely, but there's another big name supposedly set to appear: Robert Downey Jr.'s Doctor Doom. In the Multiverse Saga, Spidey's relationship with Doom is expected to be far more important than the villain's dynamic with Mister Fantastic.

If Doomsday ends with an Incursion, then Victor Von Doom will likely be left to rule over whatever is left and could task Peter Parker with stopping Knull. For Sony, it will be worth paying Downey whatever he wants to appear as he helped make Spider-Man: Homecoming a hit in 2017.
 

2. A New Supporting Cast

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Had COVID-19 not intervened, chances are Spider-Man: No Way Home would have been a very different movie. For starters, early plans called for Peter Parker to turn to Adrian Toomes, a.k.a. The Vulture, for help. 

We'd imagine both Marvel and Sony want to ignore what happened in Morbius and it was recently reported that Michael Keaton will reprise his role as the winged villain in Spider-Man 4. Zendaya is also returning, though there will be a second female lead too (not Black Cat, apparently).

Peter is supposedly getting a new supporting cast thanks to his move to college, while two new villains are also being cast. Andy Serkis is rumoured to be playing Knull, but we're bound to also see some supporting baddies. 
 

1. When Does It Actually Start Shooting?

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Rumour has it Spider-Man 4 is set to begin principal production in the UK on May 25, 2025. Filming will then wrap in October, with Holland shooting his role in Avengers: Doomsday at the start of the year. 

That's yet to be confirmed, though the trades have revealed that Destin Daniel Cretton will direct Spider-Man 4, with Spider-Man: No Way Home scribes Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers are returning to write the script. 

A release date for the movie has not been announced, though we expect it to swing into theaters on July 24, 2026. Again, that places is smack bang between Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars.
 

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FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 10/15/2024, 1:37 PM
Sony needs to read the room because all these dogshit rumours are having the exact opposite effect of all the NWH ones. These [frick]tards are legit trying to build their next Spidey movie off a failing franchise that’s already showing diminishing returns, ffs
elcapitan
elcapitan - 10/15/2024, 1:52 PM
@FireandBlood - Except these are nothing more than rumors at this point. So Marvel may have some surprises in store just yet. Remember, Sony doesn't produce the Spiderman movies, they only distribute them. Marvel does the creative.
TheyDont
TheyDont - 10/15/2024, 2:48 PM
@FireandBlood - So Sony should silence Josh and some other rumourmongers?
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 10/15/2024, 2:56 PM
@TheyDont - No, Sony should just stop WTF they’re doing and hand the reigns back to Marvel. Their last 3 Spidey movies were hits in spite of them, and the [frick]ed up part is, they know it.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 10/15/2024, 3:43 PM
@FireandBlood -

Sony will figure out a way to kill the golden spidey goose.

Ugh.
WakandaTech
WakandaTech - 10/15/2024, 1:43 PM
This is starting to sound like a cluster fvk

They should of stuck to street level type blocbuster with Daredevil
Zorromuerto
Zorromuerto - 10/15/2024, 1:47 PM
@WakandaTech - They shoulda made a Spider-Man / Daredevil movie where Spider-Man gets blinded and acts like a lil bitch while Daredevil does all the work and takes care of him.
WakandaTech
WakandaTech - 10/15/2024, 1:44 PM
Look what just happened to WB with the Joker

First movie made a Billion
Second movie they will take a 200 Million loss
elcapitan
elcapitan - 10/15/2024, 1:51 PM
@WakandaTech - Except No Way Home was a threequel. The first two also did quite well. It's a false equivalence.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 10/15/2024, 1:54 PM
@elcapitan - The second did a lot less than the first, and underperformed.
elcapitan
elcapitan - 10/15/2024, 1:58 PM
@FireandBlood - and the third became the 3rd highest grossing film of all time. So your pattern is disrupted. No telling what the 4th will do at this point. But it has nothing to do with Joker. Plus Joker 2 is a complete joke, pun intended.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 10/15/2024, 2:33 PM
@elcapitan - We’re talking about Venom 2, not FFH/NWH. Sony’s plan isn’t to build off those movies, but instead Venom. That’s why he’s making the Joker comparison. They’re taking the franchise in a complete different direction in a last ditch effort to capitalise on their shitty Sony MU movies.
elcapitan
elcapitan - 10/15/2024, 2:45 PM
@FireandBlood - This article is about Spiderman 4, not Venom 3. And as I said elsewhere, Sony doesn't handle creative on Spiderman movies anymore, Marvel does. So Sony's not building anything off this franchise. If Venom will be in Spiderman 4, that's Marvel's decision. And I'm sure if Sony is trying to set up S4 with this movie, Marvel is involved.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 10/15/2024, 2:53 PM
@elcapitan - Did you ready the article? 5/8 points either directly reference Venom or are in fact about its rumoured ties to Venom, so no, actually. This article is very much about Venom. Every rumour in regards to this movie the last few months have been about its apparent ties to Venom, and how all former plans made by Marvel have been abandoned in favour of Sony’s plans to tie it back to Venom. That, and the fact they want to milk Maguire/Garfield.

Regardless of Marvel’s role on this franchise, Sony have always had final say and when they decide they want to stop listening, like they apparently are, they can and will.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/15/2024, 4:02 PM
@elcapitan - That's the kind of limited thinking that leads directly to diminishing returns. Joker did well, doesn't mean it needed a sequel. That's a really limited way of looking at it. Maybe do something grittier and more character based with another character. Like they did with The Batman and The Penguin. It doesn't mean people want Joker 2. Doing a commercial sequel to Joker was ridiculous. It's the complete opposite of what that movie was, which was an anti-franchise film.
They actually made it a musical and retold the events of the first movie in a boring as trial and threw in a pop star as Harley Quinn.

No Way Home and Deadpool & Wolverine were huge. The fans embraced them and the box office was massive both times. What you take from that is that people go wild for nostalgic cameos from earlier films. Even shittier cbms. They brought back Elektra AND Electro! And we loved it!
So you do that again for the Avengers films (movies that we're already expecting to be the finale of the Multiverse Saga).

You don't just do NWH again for Spider-Man 4. If NWH had just been Homecoming 2 with Vulture's return and a love triangle between Pete, MJ and Liz, nobody would have shown up because we saw that movie already.

If they do a Deadpool & Wolverine 2 where we see the exact same Void team leading towards Secret Wars, it would be pointless, they did that already. It's done.

I'm certain that we'll see the Spider Bros and D&W again in Avengers, because people loved the camaraderie of those team-ups and would like to see them again before the end. But that shouldn't be the selling point because they already sold us that and we already bought it.
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As far as other nostalgic multiversal cameos, we don't need to see Doc Ock or Green Goblin again. Or Chris Evans' Human Torch (great as he was). We don't need to see Elektra or Electro. They did that, so that wouldn't be as effective the second time around. We need new surprises. Lucasfilm Howard the Duck. Dolph Lungren Punisher. David Hasslehoff Nick Fury. Nicholas Cage Ghost Rider.

As for Spider-Man 4, the fans obviously want that crime drama, the DD team-up against Kingpin. Maybe Scorpion, Prowler, Black Cat. They want to see an older Spider-Man in a more adult Spidey movie. Smaller scale.

NWH is where the puck was. Spidey/DD team-up Vs. Mayor Kingpin is where the puck is going to be. Especially after Daredevil: Born Again.
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MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 10/15/2024, 1:46 PM
As a Venom (comics/animated 90s series), Spiderman and MCU fan...

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elcapitan
elcapitan - 10/15/2024, 1:49 PM
I think they should have everyone that almost became Spiderman play a variant. Asa Butterfield, Timothee Chalamet, Alden Ehrenreich, Josh Hutcherson, Leo Dicaprio, Jamie Bell, James Franco (he could double up), Freddie Prinze Jr, and Jake Gyllenhaal (can also play a Mysterio variant). That would be fun!
Zorromuerto
Zorromuerto - 10/15/2024, 1:51 PM
@elcapitan - They should create maximum carnage, but make it PG, with the characters bleeding confetti.
elcapitan
elcapitan - 10/15/2024, 1:56 PM
@Zorromuerto - If they really wanted to do something different, they should incorporate Agent Venom or Venompool. Maximum carnage or maximum effort? Haha
elcapitan
elcapitan - 10/15/2024, 1:59 PM
@elcapitan - Plus this would give Peter an excuse to go to MIT and see MJ and Ned, since Flash goes there too.
OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 10/15/2024, 1:53 PM
"Everything you need to know...."

Which might never happen.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/15/2024, 2:00 PM
The filming date being so specific makes me think that isn’t true but we’ll see.

I’m still living in my delusional hope that this will be a street level film so my hope is the new supporting cast is Felicia & Harry (the latter could even start off as a rival for Peter since they didn’t like each other initially in the comics) while the new villains are Mr Negative and Scorpion

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No Knull or SUMC Venom BS please!!.

Jackraow21
Jackraow21 - 10/15/2024, 2:43 PM
Sounds cool to me.
RedFury
RedFury - 10/15/2024, 3:32 PM
So I'm just piecing rumours together at this point, but isn't it likely that they're shipping Knull into the MCU to build a villain for the characters to battle aside from just Doom? Pretty sure there's a rumour stating that there will be some other big bads in the mix in Doomsday/Secret Wars isn't there?

I'm guessing that Knull will show up in Spidey 4, but probably not as heavily as the rumours are suggesting. Then he'll get used as one of the "roadblocks" if you will, in Doomsday/Secret Wars for heroes to fight. Possibly heroes like The Spideys, and Venom. Which could explain why there's all these rumours about Hardy, and Garfield showing up in Spiderman 4. It'll be the jumping point into the bigger Avengers arc that's coming.

I could be totally off base of course but it just doesn't make sense to me that Marvel would use a villain set up in a Sony film that hasn't even been released yet, as one of their big plot points in Spiderman 4 which they need to be a massive success. The whole quality over quantity approach tells me that making wild gambles like this isn't the way they're moving forward. Spidey 4 will likely feel like it should in terms of scale, and then by the end it'll expand into something big that leads into Doomsday.

Feel free to poke holes in my theory if you see any though. It's fair game lol.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/15/2024, 3:49 PM
@RedFury - I could see that

Wouldn’t be the first time scoopers have had their wires crossed somewhat

I just feel like this whole Knull thing is the least interesting route they could go after the setup at the end of NWH
RedFury
RedFury - 10/15/2024, 3:59 PM
@TheVisionary25 - me too... They set up where to take the story really well in the last one. And to screw with that by throwing Knull and the other Spidermen back in the mix seems really short sighted; which fuels my scepticism with the rumours even more.

I wouldn't mind seeing the other Spidermen again, but just save them for the avengers films. Seems like the obvious place for them to pop up anyways.
Makiveli21
Makiveli21 - 10/15/2024, 3:39 PM
They need to get people invested in the Knull character. Showing his origins where he beheaded the Celestial or his fight against Silver Surfer (check out the Silver Surfer Black comics) would be awesome. But I think the best way to get people to give a shit would be for Knull to kill Tobey Spider-Man…
DocSpock
DocSpock - 10/15/2024, 3:46 PM

I don’t know if any or how much of this is true, but I hate most of it.

We have such a great thing going on with Spidey, and Sony is working as hard as they can to screw it up.

Idiots.

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