SPIDER-MAN 4: Everything You Need To Know About Marvel's Rumored Plans For VENOM, The Spider-Men, And More

SPIDER-MAN 4: Everything You Need To Know About Marvel's Rumored Plans For VENOM, The Spider-Men, And More

With rumors continuing to swirl about Marvel and Sony's plans for Spider-Man 4, we've rounded up all the biggest details you need to now about plans for a movie supposedly titled Spider-Man: King in Black.

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By JoshWilding - Oct 15, 2024 01:10 PM EST
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It's been nearly three years since Spider-Man: No Way Home was released in theaters and we may have a good eighteen months or so before Spider-Man 4 finally hits the big screen. 

The hope is that the movie will be worth the wait, and with Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings director Destin Daniel Cretton at the helm, we're expecting something special. The question is, what story do Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures plan on telling?

Rumours have been running rampant in recent weeks and, with Venom: The Last Dance nearly here, now feels like a good time to sift through those reports to bring you a better idea of what to expect. From plot details to supporting characters and villains, we have a full breakdown that better explains the story's place in the wider Multiverse Saga. 

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8. An "Avengers-Level" Event...Featuring Venom!

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While it was initially reported that Spider-Man 4 would be a street-level adventure pitting the wall-crawler and Daredevil against Mayor Wilson Fisk, things changed earlier this year with the rumour it had evolved into "an Avengers-level event."

We were later told that "a movie can have multiversal elements and still be a street-level story," with Spider-Man 4 described as a "blend" of both.

There's surely no way Marvel Studios can blend both ideas. However, even if Spidey does battle a Multiversal threat, that doesn't mean he won't be protecting the people of New York City while doing so. He'll have some company, though...Venom!
 

7. Venom: The Last Dance's Reshoots

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Almost immediately after Knull, God of the Symbiotes, was revealed in the final Venom: The Last Dance trailer, a story dropped claiming the plan is for the Marvel Studios to have Tom Holland's Spider-Man and Tom Hardy's Venom team up in Spider-Man 4.

Knull is supposedly "seeking to enshroud the entire multiverse in his darkness following its discovery," and with this movie coming out between Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars, it becoming more than a street-level adventure was perhaps inevitable. 

Despite the Venom threequel taking place in Las Vegas, Hardy was recently spotted filming in New York for last-minute reshoots. Apparently, those may have taken place to bring Eddie Brock back to Earth-616. 
 

6. A New Trilogy

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Once Knull is dealt with and the MCU is softly rebooted following the events of Avengers: Secret Wars, two more Spider-Man movies will supposedly follow. Peter Parker is also expected to have a major role in Avengers: Doomsday

Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures have reportedly reached a new deal to keep the web-slinger in the MCU for both another trilogy and two or three additional appearances, something we're sure Holland was fine with agreeing to after his mixed fortunes away from this role. 

Crucially, this also means the door isn't closed on that team-up with Daredevil. With Daredevil: Born Again season 2 delayed by a creative overhaul and strikes, we're not shocked to see Spidey pulled back into the Multiverse of Madness. 
 

5. Spider-Man: King In Black

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"Home" was the main theme in the previous Spider-Man trilogy's titles from Homecoming to Far From Home and, eventually, No Way Home. One semi-reliable insider has since claimed that this fourth chapter will go by the far more specific Spider-Man: King in Black

Spider-Man: King in Black? That has a nice ring to it. It also adds weight to rumours the hero will battle Knull - the King in Black in question - and where he goes, Venom surely can't be far behind. 

Venom: The Last Dance director Kelly Marcel has confirmed the threequel is "just the beginning" and that he won't be a one-off villain. She'd add, "Beyond this trilogy, there are more stories to explore - God is coming."
 

4. Plans For Andrew Garfield And Tobey Maguire

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Even before the Venom rumours, there was chatter online about Sony wanting Spider-Man 4 to be another Multiversal movie involving Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire. Why? Because Spider-Man: No Way Home made almost $1.2 billion in 2021. 

It didn't take long for us to hear that "there is a very strong possibility they show up for an extended role this time around," meaning we could see a lot more of them in Spider-Man 4.

They're also expected to appear in both Avengers movies, though Garfield may be the main Spider-Man in Avengers: Secret Wars if what we've heard in recent weeks is anywhere close to accurate. Maguire will be there too, but likely as a supporting character. 
 

3. A New Suit...And Doom!

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There has to be a reason Spider-Man: No Way Home saw Eddie leave a piece of his alien suit behind on Earth-616 and we anticipate that being addressed in Venom: The Last Dance. Either way, the past year has been dominated by claims Peter will don the black suit in Spider-Man 4.

A team-up with Venom makes that even more likely, but there's another big name supposedly set to appear: Robert Downey Jr.'s Doctor Doom. In the Multiverse Saga, Spidey's relationship with Doom is expected to be far more important than the villain's dynamic with Mister Fantastic.

If Doomsday ends with an Incursion, then Victor Von Doom will likely be left to rule over whatever is left and could task Peter Parker with stopping Knull. For Sony, it will be worth paying Downey whatever he wants to appear as he helped make Spider-Man: Homecoming a hit in 2017.
 

2. A New Supporting Cast

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Had COVID-19 not intervened, chances are Spider-Man: No Way Home would have been a very different movie. For starters, early plans called for Peter Parker to turn to Adrian Toomes, a.k.a. The Vulture, for help. 

We'd imagine both Marvel and Sony want to ignore what happened in Morbius and it was recently reported that Michael Keaton will reprise his role as the winged villain in Spider-Man 4. Zendaya is also returning, though there will be a second female lead too (not Black Cat, apparently).

Peter is supposedly getting a new supporting cast thanks to his move to college, while two new villains are also being cast. Andy Serkis is rumoured to be playing Knull, but we're bound to also see some supporting baddies. 
 

1. When Does It Actually Start Shooting?

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Rumour has it Spider-Man 4 is set to begin principal production in the UK on May 25, 2025. Filming will then wrap in October, with Holland shooting his role in Avengers: Doomsday at the start of the year. 

That's yet to be confirmed, though the trades have revealed that Destin Daniel Cretton will direct Spider-Man 4, with Spider-Man: No Way Home scribes Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers are returning to write the script. 

A release date for the movie has not been announced, though we expect it to swing into theaters on July 24, 2026. Again, that places is smack bang between Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars.
 

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WakandaTech
WakandaTech - 10/15/2024, 1:43 PM
This is starting to sound like a cluster fvk

They should of stuck to street level type blocbuster with Daredevil
WakandaTech
WakandaTech - 10/15/2024, 1:44 PM
Look what just happened to WB with the Joker

First movie made a Billion
Second movie they will take a 200 Million loss
elcapitan
elcapitan - 10/15/2024, 1:51 PM
@WakandaTech - Except No Way Home was a threequel. The first two also did quite well. It's a false equivalence.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 10/15/2024, 1:46 PM
As a Venom (comics/animated 90s series), Spiderman and MCU fan...

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elcapitan
elcapitan - 10/15/2024, 1:49 PM
I think they should have everyone that almost became Spiderman play a variant. Asa Butterfield, Timothee Chalamet, Alden Ehrenreich, Josh Hutcherson, Leo Dicaprio, Jamie Bell, James Franco (he could double up), Freddie Prinze Jr, and Jake Gyllenhaal (can also play a Mysterio variant). That would be fun!
OptimusCrime
OptimusCrime - 10/15/2024, 1:53 PM
"Everything you need to know...."

Which might never happen.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/15/2024, 2:00 PM
The filming date being so specific makes me think that isn’t true but we’ll see.

I’m still living in my delusional hope that this will be a street level film so my hope is the new supporting cast is Felicia & Harry (the latter could even start off as a rival for Peter since they didn’t like each other initially in the comics) while the new villains are Mr Negative and Scorpion

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No Knull or SUMC Venom BS please!!.

Jackraow21
Jackraow21 - 10/15/2024, 2:43 PM
Sounds cool to me.
RedFury
RedFury - 10/15/2024, 3:32 PM
So I'm just piecing rumours together at this point, but isn't it likely that they're shipping Knull into the MCU to build a villain for the characters to battle aside from just Doom? Pretty sure there's a rumour stating that there will be some other big bads in the mix in Doomsday/Secret Wars isn't there?

I'm guessing that Knull will show up in Spidey 4, but probably not as heavily as the rumours are suggesting. Then he'll get used as one of the "roadblocks" if you will, in Doomsday/Secret Wars for heroes to fight. Possibly heroes like The Spideys, and Venom. Which could explain why there's all these rumours about Hardy, and Garfield showing up in Spiderman 4. It'll be the jumping point into the bigger Avengers arc that's coming.

I could be totally off base of course but it just doesn't make sense to me that Marvel would use a villain set up in a Sony film that hasn't even been released yet, as one of their big plot points in Spiderman 4 which they need to be a massive success. The whole quality over quantity approach tells me that making wild gambles like this isn't the way they're moving forward. Spidey 4 will likely feel like it should in terms of scale, and then by the end it'll expand into something big that leads into Doomsday.

Feel free to poke holes in my theory if you see any though. It's fair game lol.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/15/2024, 3:49 PM
@RedFury - I could see that

Wouldn’t be the first time scoopers have had their wires crossed somewhat

I just feel like this whole Knull thing is the least interesting route they could go after the setup at the end of NWH
RedFury
RedFury - 10/15/2024, 3:59 PM
@TheVisionary25 - me too... They set up where to take the story really well in the last one. And to screw with that by throwing Knull and the other Spidermen back in the mix seems really short sighted; which fuels my scepticism with the rumours even more.

I wouldn't mind seeing the other Spidermen again, but just save them for the avengers films. Seems like the obvious place for them to pop up anyways.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 10/15/2024, 4:23 PM
@RedFury - I agree completely
Makiveli21
Makiveli21 - 10/15/2024, 3:39 PM
They need to get people invested in the Knull character. Showing his origins where he beheaded the Celestial or his fight against Silver Surfer (check out the Silver Surfer Black comics) would be awesome. But I think the best way to get people to give a shit would be for Knull to kill Tobey Spider-Man…
DocSpock
DocSpock - 10/15/2024, 3:46 PM

I don’t know if any or how much of this is true, but I hate most of it.

We have such a great thing going on with Spidey, and Sony is working as hard as they can to screw it up.

Idiots.
TheShellyMan
TheShellyMan - 10/15/2024, 4:47 PM
My goodness. This movie sounds like a mess. Why can't we stick to the street-level aspect? I mean, we came off from multiverse Spider-Man with NHW. Do we need another one?... Like, wait til Spider-Man 5 or some sh*t...
Order66
Order66 - 10/15/2024, 6:33 PM
Street level was definitely Feige and Marvel Studios plans and it sounded fantastic. Keep Peter street level trying to figure out how to combat villains using his wit and brain instead of relying on Stark tech. This sounds like a cluster [frick] mess Marvel studios did not sign up for this. Sony sucks.

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