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ProudPatriot76
ProudPatriot76 - 4/16/2023, 11:12 AM
Doc Ock was better than Mysterio.
MrDandy
MrDandy - 4/16/2023, 2:58 PM
@ProudPatriot76 - lies!
MrDandy
MrDandy - 4/16/2023, 2:58 PM
@ProudPatriot76 - he is better in Spider-Man 2 but in the context of the MCU movies, Mysterio was the stronger villain imo
tb86
tb86 - 4/16/2023, 3:08 PM
@ProudPatriot76 - technically you are right based on their individual antagonist roles. Truth is, Doc Ock wasn’t the main antagonist of No Way Home, Green Goblin was. Mysterio was the main antagonist of Far from Home.
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 4/16/2023, 11:17 AM
It actually does get hard to pick the best one, and that in and of itself is fantastic, but yes, Shocker is DEFINITELY the most Dave Chapelle of them all, you can’t take that away from em. I’ve liked Bokeem Woodbine since what, Jason’s Lyric? Great actor.

Chuck420Taylor
Chuck420Taylor - 4/16/2023, 11:21 AM
@TheWalkingCuban - that was a great season but Fargo hasn't given en us trash yet just incredible wait times.
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 4/16/2023, 11:38 AM
@Chuck420Taylor - man can I just say I frikkin fell in love with Kirsten dunst that season. Not the character, the actress that I never knew would look so good thick. I should’ve known.
The72nd
The72nd - 4/16/2023, 3:20 PM
@TheWalkingCuban - the second season of Fargo might be my favorite season of TV ever. Just so so good. Woodbine was unbearably cool
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 4/16/2023, 3:23 PM
@The72nd - if Electro would’ve been like that guy… poor Vulture LOL
Chuck420Taylor
Chuck420Taylor - 4/16/2023, 3:51 PM
@TheWalkingCuban - DUDE....I definitely saw her in a different light thanks to the show.
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 4/16/2023, 4:33 PM
@Chuck420Taylor - look it really all started with that upside down kiss but dang on that show oh my goodness, she really went from hot to milf
Chuck420Taylor
Chuck420Taylor - 4/17/2023, 9:32 AM
@TheWalkingCuban - and the accent was the icing on the cake
TheWalkingCuban
TheWalkingCuban - 4/17/2023, 9:41 AM
@Chuck420Taylor - oh my goodness. Man I am working in Hammond, Louisiana, above lake ponchartrain, across the lake from New Orleans. New Orleans is so city that everyone sounds like New York or Boston, no frikkin cap. Well it’s country again across the lake. Dude. There’s this straight up fiery redhead with the most Mississippi accent, being from the Sip, I didn’t care for it there, but hearing it once more after the city or Cajun folks, aw man it’s so loud and redneck and sexy as hell lol KD with that Fargo whatever accent bout killed me!
DocSpock
DocSpock - 4/16/2023, 11:25 AM



We need Black Cat & Tombstone in the MCU before Sony sh!ts all over them & ruins them.

KelvTwelve
KelvTwelve - 4/16/2023, 2:43 PM
@DocSpock - I've said it before and I'll say it again - Black Cat is 100% what Tom Holland's Spidey needs to face after losing MJ. What better time to introduce a love interest that Peter can't trust than now? It would absolutely be asinine to waste her on a solo movie that will do nothing but crash into a wall.

My feelings changed a little bit now after everything coming out about Born Again, but I still would want to see a Daredevil and Kingpin crossover for the fourth film as well.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 4/16/2023, 3:04 PM
@KelvTwelve -

Amen to that!

PatientXero
PatientXero - 4/16/2023, 11:27 AM
Some rather dull villains overall, and misused good ones. Not the best MCU or even Spider-Man movies.
Origame
Origame - 4/16/2023, 11:30 AM
Apparently it was very compelling for electro to have a subplot of...wanting more power...because.

It's not even like he really did anything. Just noticed mcu energy was different and had the arc reactor practically handed to him.
tb86
tb86 - 4/16/2023, 11:33 AM
1) Green Goblin
2) Vulture
3) Mysterio
4) Doc Ock
5) Electro
6) Sandman
7) Shocker
8) Lizard
9) Mac Gargan
MrDandy
MrDandy - 4/16/2023, 2:59 PM
@tb86 - the correct list!
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 4/16/2023, 11:44 AM
Vulture number 2, could possibly be number one. I can’t lie though, Willem came through in no way home like a boss. “Poor Peter. Too weak to send me home to die”
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 4/16/2023, 11:46 AM
I really don’t feel like mac was a villain. He was more so set up for the future. Spider-Man came to marvel at a bad time so the sequel to homecoming had to deal with the endgame fallout rather than the homecoming fallout.
TheShellyMan
TheShellyMan - 4/16/2023, 11:47 AM
I hope we can get to see the Scorpion in Spider-Man 4 in some sort.
WakandanQueen
WakandanQueen - 4/16/2023, 11:50 AM
I realize No Way Home had a LOT going on, but damn kinda wish Mysterio had more to do in these films. He carried Far from Home and they could have gone way further with him.
Fogs
Fogs - 4/16/2023, 12:17 PM
If you're listing Scorpion you should include Venom as well, Josh.
Waifuslayer
Waifuslayer - 4/16/2023, 12:24 PM
This list is proof of how lame MCU Spider-Man has been. Their handling of him is a huge reason why I started to tire of the MCU in the first place. He seemed pretty good in Civil War (my first major MCU disappointed) but Homecoming was just not what I was hoping for. Oh well.
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/16/2023, 1:01 PM
Definitely Green Goblin, Mysterio had some good fights with Spidey as well.

HistoryofMatt
HistoryofMatt - 4/16/2023, 1:07 PM
Mysterio sucked because that entire movie SUCKED.
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 4/16/2023, 11:09 PM
@HistoryofMatt -

Thank you!

Other than enjoying seeing Peter interact with Fury (or should I say Talos), the film felt more like Iron Boy 4 and nothing really like Spider-Man.

So thankful NWH completely changed Peter’s trajectory from where FFH had him going.
FilmGuy7878
FilmGuy7878 - 4/17/2023, 9:51 AM
@HistoryofMatt - Ah at last something we agree on. Yeah, FFH was the weakest of the MCU Spider-Man trilogy IMO.

I love Jake Gyllenhaal but he was absolutely wasted as Mysterio, sure he gave a pretty solid performance but there are SO MANY other, more important characters he could have played other then a one-and-done villain.

The Ned/Betty story, while cute, did overstay it's welcome. That Brad guy who was chasing after MJ was the most unnecessary and annoying character a Spider-Man film could introduce. And overall, the film felt very tonally unfocused.
Order66
Order66 - 4/16/2023, 2:16 PM
If Spider-Man 4 is more street level, it would be a great opportunity to show off Spider-Man and Daredevil fighting Scorpion and Shocker and the Maggia and Hammerhead and Tombstone and Kingpin.
KelvTwelve
KelvTwelve - 4/16/2023, 2:46 PM
@Order66 - Literally what I'm thinking. Kingpin funds the creation of supervillains like in Spectacular Spider-Man, so his business is uninterrupted by the affairs of "Avengers" after Hawkeye. You could bring back Scorpion, Shocker, and maybe even a new version of Rhino. I also really want to have Black Cat in the mix, maybe she's hunting Kingpin, and Peter joins her fight before she ultimately betrays him.
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/16/2023, 2:47 PM
@Order66 - They should try adapt Spider-Man:Gang War.

But they'll have to fit "Home" into the title, so it'll probably be called something like Spider-Man:Home Turf War.
ProudPatriot76
ProudPatriot76 - 4/16/2023, 3:02 PM
Why isn’t Sony, Avi Arad, and Amy Pascal on this list?
DocSpock
DocSpock - 4/16/2023, 6:07 PM


Since the classic first 2 Raimi Spider-Man movies, the biggest villain Spidey has faced is Sony.

Lokiwasright
Lokiwasright - 4/16/2023, 10:34 PM
Most of these were only cameos.

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