SPIDER-MAN: BRAND NEW DAY - Can A Character Like The Punisher Work In A PG-13 Setting?

SPIDER-MAN: BRAND NEW DAY - Can A Character Like The Punisher Work In A PG-13 Setting?

The recent news that Jon Bernthal will appear as Frank Castle in Spider-Man: Brand New Day was met with a lot of excitement, but there are concerns that the character will be "neutered" in a PG-13 movie.

By MarkCassidy - Jun 22, 2025 02:06 PM EST

We first heard that Marvel Studios/Sony Pictures might be planning to introduce the Punisher to the mix in the then untitled Spider-Man 4 earlier this year. With so many rumors relating to the project doing the rounds at the time, nobody really believed that we'd see the ultra-violent vigilante in the same movie as Tom Holland's Friendly Neighbourhood wall-crawler, but THR confirmed the news on Friday night.

Daredevil: Born Again actor Jon Bernthal is set to make his big-screen debut as Frank Castle in Spider-Man: Brand New Day.  It's believed that Castle have a major role, and might well end up joining forces with Spidey to do battle with a rampaging Savage Hulk (Mark Ruffalo).

The news was obviously met with a lot of excitement, but there are also some concerns that Castle will need to be watered down to a significant degree in order to function in the movie's PG-13 setting. Even putting the less visceral on-screen depictions of violence aside, at his core, Frank is a dark, disturbed and disturbing individual, and it's difficult to imagine him fitting in to the relatively wholesome and family-friendly world of the Spider-Man franchise - at least not without stripping away a lot of the things that make this character who he is.

While chatting to THR in a 2021 interview, Bernthal gave an in-depth response when asked about the possibility of reprising the role in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

"That character, in particular, has real, real, real deep, deep meaning for me and resonance in me," he began. "He’s really in my heart, man. He’s really in my bones. I’m enormously protective of that character. I’ve said before that there’s nothing in this world more important to me than my wife and my kids, and only until you understand that kind of love and what it really means to willingly die for somebody, [do you understand] what it would be like if somebody took them from you. That’s a road and a darkness and a rage that really, really scares me and brings me to places that I’ve worked the last 20 years to get away from. So I was really grateful, respectful and weary of the places where that role took me and the world in which I had to live in."

"That being said, that’s where that character needs to be. It needs to be a level of darkness," he continued. "I think if there’s any let up on that character, you do a disservice to the character, to every iteration of the character, to every comic book that’s come before, and to all of the unbelievable fans of the character. This character means so much to people in the military. So like I said before, it’s not about whether you do the character; it’s about whether you can do it right, and I’m only interested in doing it right."

Bernthal was clearly given the go-ahead to make Castle every bit as unhinged and brutal as we've ever seen him in Born Again, but there is zero chance he'll have the same freedom in Brand New Day. Still, the fact that he agreed to sign on for the movie does suggest that he was happy with what the studio has planned for the character.

It's also worth noting that we have seen less brutal/ruthless takes in Castle in the comics over the years, though how well those stories were received by fans is up for debate.

At the end of the day, as long as a character like the Hulk - who can absorb a huge amount of punishment without showing the results of the violence - remains Castle's primary target, he can still let loose to some degree... just with less blood and fewer F-bombs!

What do you think? Can a character like the Punisher still work in a PG-13 settong? Drop us a comment down below.

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Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 6/22/2025, 2:34 PM
No , ready you dont need to read the slop, now Lets talk about Jonathan Majors AND His role in Leyenda del Zelda
HeraldNumber7
HeraldNumber7 - 6/22/2025, 2:37 PM
short answer: yes, he can.

a movie can be intense without being egregiously violent. it just needs strong enough conflicts to feed the drama.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 6/22/2025, 2:38 PM
I’m curious about this R Rated iteration working within the PG 13 world of Spider Man aswell unless they do lean into Franks violent nature in service of the story (maybe still not as much as the shows but moreso then we think)…

After the events of NWH , I can see Peter as time and distance have grown that he has perhaps become more isolated and even angry due to having lost his friends and Aunt May (perhaps even checks up on MJ and Ned possibly regretting his decision to stay away from them) and that’s when Frank comes in who is filled with pain and loss aswell as he goads Peter into giving in because it’s the only right way to deal with these criminals or could even try to dissuade Peter from heading down the same route as him due to maybe finding out he’s still a “kid” etc.

There are certainly dramatic avenues they can go so I hope Cretton & his team capitalize on that.
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 6/22/2025, 2:46 PM
@TheVisionary25 - I think his style would be well suited for a movie with Mr. negative as the villain. His ‘demons’ are just guys but they are effectively immortal in that he can bring them back, so that might skirt the R rating if he can drop bodies all over the place with no true consequences?
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 6/22/2025, 2:41 PM
" Can A Character Like The Punisher Work In A PG-13 Setting?" The Punisher? no, however this version of frank probably could.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 6/22/2025, 4:02 PM
@harryba11zack - yeah he's already a caricature.
Fogs
Fogs - 6/22/2025, 2:47 PM
No, it can't.

Next!
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 6/22/2025, 2:47 PM
I think this current version could work in a PG-13 setting. Give him robots/humans with augmented body parts that makes them less human-like to shoot instead of your run of the mill thugs.
Don’t have him overtly, outright just shoot someone in the head.
If he does shoot a regular person then show them moving at the end of the scene and let them die off screen.
There’s quite a few ways to tone him down and still keep his edge, you just have to put forth enough effort.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 6/22/2025, 2:50 PM
Yes, just don't let The Punisher be The Punisher.

DannyBrandy20
DannyBrandy20 - 6/22/2025, 2:51 PM
Punisher started out as Spider Man Villain

It can work but not a fan of this Punisher or any Netflix bootleg Defenders


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Usernametaken
Usernametaken - 6/22/2025, 2:53 PM
Could work for a small part, like 1 or 2 scenes. But no longer than that.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 6/22/2025, 2:59 PM
I mean they can. it'll just be watered down🤷🏾‍♂️
Saintsinnister
Saintsinnister - 6/22/2025, 3:12 PM
The episodes of the animated series in the 90’s featuring The Punisher were some of my favorites. The character would fair just fine as a cameo in a PG 13 movie. Creative editing and storytelling is the key
jackbauer884
jackbauer884 - 6/22/2025, 3:58 PM
@Saintsinnister - Nobody careeees about that old animated series. Punisher has to be Rated-R deal with it.
Saintsinnister
Saintsinnister - 6/22/2025, 4:09 PM
@jackbauer884 - Nobody cares about your dumb opinion. Punisher is in fact going to be in a PG13 movie and it’s you who will have to deal with it. 🤣
Scarilian
Scarilian - 6/22/2025, 3:32 PM
Why put Punisher and Hulk in this movie? This is our only opportunity to have a Spider-man without all the MCU crap. Just have him on his own, neglecting his life as Peter Parker and recklessly throwing himself into being Spider-man. Maybe do the black suit storyline given you set that up in the previous movie and have Scorpion become Venom for a final fight - you'd want to explore that prior so you can have Eddie Brocks' Venom show up in Secret Wars.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 6/22/2025, 3:41 PM
@Scarilian - "Why put Punisher and Hulk in this movie? This is our only opportunity to have a Spider-man without all the MCU crap."

Because this version of Spider-Man is nowhere near good enough to carry an entire movie on his own.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 6/22/2025, 4:03 PM
@Scarilian - they have no faith in Holland's Spidey.
jackbauer884
jackbauer884 - 6/22/2025, 3:59 PM
Simple answer. It doesn't work. Stop watering down Antiheroes, if can#t handle them.
FusionWarrior
FusionWarrior - 6/22/2025, 4:00 PM
Spider-Man: The Animated Series is a good example of seeing The Punisher in a kid-friendly setting.
Rexotron
Rexotron - 6/22/2025, 4:01 PM
Yes absolutely! You look at the the Original Thomas Jan punisher. It's not the hardest R as far as violence goes. It is very tame compared to all the live action action Punisher projects afterwards.
DonkeyLift
DonkeyLift - 6/22/2025, 4:03 PM
Would be interesting to see black-suit spidey feeding off the anger of a character like Frank…
McMurdo
McMurdo - 6/22/2025, 4:04 PM
Gonna be a meme if Hulk is the villain

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