Will We Be Seeing Venom In Spider Man 4 After All?

Will We Be Seeing Venom In Spider Man 4 After All?

Todd Mcfarlane seems to think so. In an interview with MTV the co creator of Venom talks about what makes the character so appealing and the possibility of him coming to the screen again..

By MarkCassidy - May 06, 2009 04:05 PM EST
Filed Under: The Amazing Spider-Man
Source: mtv.com

Not many (if any) were happy with the way Venom turned out in Spider Man 3, but artist/writer/entrepreneur Todd Mcfarlane thinks it highly likely that the black suited beastie may be appearing on out screens again..maybe sooner than we think.

“I co-created Venom,” he told MTV news “He was in the last ‘Spider-Man’ movie. And I think he might make an appearance here in the next one, too.”

He doesnt say how he might know this, or even if he has anything to do with Raimis 4th installment in the franchise, but he does say that he watched closely as director Sam Raimi developed his alien symbiote character into a role for Topher Grace in the 2007 blockbuster; but as the filmmaker sought to draw a light/dark comparison between the similarly-built Grace and Tobey Maguire, he dropped the ball on a few of the character’s key elements.

“He’s one of the more popular villains of the last ten, fifteen years,” McFarlane explained, offering his advice on the how Venom could be corrected for “Spider-Man 4,” his own spin-off and beyond. “Given that I created him, I have a little bit of a bias.”

“I would’ve done a few things different,” McFarlane said of the shortcomings that hindered the movie version of Venom. “When I first created him, I made him huge. That would’ve been the first thing for me; I would’ve wanted somebody who looked like he was three times the size of Spider-Man, so it was almost like Spider-Man going against the Hulk. [I want] someone who is really formidable; whenever you have a skinny character against a big one it’s like ‘Woah, I’m going to have to work today.’ But instead, the two of them were about the same size.”

Furthermore, McFarlane offered: “I would’ve done something more dramatic. [I also would’ve increased] the nastiness; I never cared too much about the comics code. I always pushed the envelope until the editor said ‘You’d better pull that back.’”

Among the many classic titles that McFarlane worked on over the years is Wolverine, and when he spoke with MTV, he insisted that the success of that character shows that audiences are ready for a big, bad, bloody Venom.

“I think one of the reasons why Wolverine is so popular is because he did stuff that Captain America or Batman would never do,” McFarlane explained, hoping Venom is properly beefed-up and unleashed in the next “Spider-Man” film. “Today’s generation, they can handle that stuff.”

They sure can Todd. But to me this sounds more like wishful thinking than anything else. We know Raimi never wanted Venom in the last movie in the first place, so its unlikely he will put him in the next one..still, stranger things have been known to happen! Im willing to bet Topher Grace wont be reprising the role though.

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MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 5/6/2009, 4:17 PM
Hes basically saying Raimi screwed the pooch with Venom! Why cant these folk just be honest injuns
SupahPhreak
SupahPhreak - 5/6/2009, 5:40 PM
Raimi needs to go back to horror movies.
rockingrich1webb
rockingrich1webb - 5/6/2009, 5:58 PM
I don't think venom the 'movie' would be worth your 10 dollars you know
rockingrich1webb
rockingrich1webb - 5/6/2009, 5:58 PM
I don't think venom the 'movie' would be worth your 10 dollars you know
spideysweb
spideysweb - 5/6/2009, 6:34 PM
One can only wish!!!!!! Please give us the Venom we all crave. Would love Spidey 4 to end with a Carnage scene that would lead to a Spidey 5 with Carnage as the main villain. But it would have to be dark in order to pull of a great carnage villain.
SupermanE22
SupermanE22 - 5/6/2009, 7:07 PM
Ok. my first comment ever. Grace's "venom" sucked...that said. Raimi and McFarlane should do an Evil Dead Animated Show like Spawn, no BS kiddy stuff push it to the limit. its cool Sir Bruce has had tiny roles in the spidey films. lets go no holds bar and hail to the king one more time!!
DoIlookLIkeIGiveAFuk
DoIlookLIkeIGiveAFuk - 5/6/2009, 7:14 PM
The only way carnage will make it into a spider man film is if a someone like chris nolan directs it someone who is not afaird to push the limits someone who has balls to say [frick] what you studio heads say this is the type of movie the fans want and this is the movie im going to give them shit they might as well let me direct it
GunRyder
GunRyder - 5/6/2009, 7:15 PM
I was happy with the size of venom, but not his outfit i mean why does it have the same webbing indedded into it like Spiderman's costume. Eddie wasn't wearing a spidy costume when he got infected. I don't even like the fact that the comic book venom has a spider symbol on his chest that makes no sense. I also think he should be more bad ass and cruel.
DoIlookLIkeIGiveAFuk
DoIlookLIkeIGiveAFuk - 5/6/2009, 7:21 PM
it'd be real bad ass if they made venmon go to elementary schools and dunk all the kids heads in the toilet and flush it ha ha ha cracking myself up pissing in my brothers pants
defeater
defeater - 5/6/2009, 7:24 PM
hey GunRyder its a living creature and remembers its previous hosts therefore spiderman has a spider so does venom.and you were happy with his size? dude seriously...
Evil1991
Evil1991 - 5/6/2009, 7:30 PM
i wouldn't mind him re-apearing, but better...
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 5/6/2009, 7:37 PM
DoIlookLIkeIGiveAFuk your post made me laugh until tears came out and im really not sure why!
ManThing
ManThing - 5/6/2009, 8:06 PM
lol If they couldn't handle it the first time, what makes them think they can for a second?
Betty
Betty - 5/6/2009, 8:28 PM
They wont do venom again you guys. If they do, they'll at least skip a film or two. I say kraven/ lizard/no calysto.
Osiris
Osiris - 5/6/2009, 8:52 PM
I agree w/ betty

but i still think if Raimi actually dedicated himself to putting venom on screen it would be good, since he was forced to add him to a script he already had made we got shit.

I wouldn't mind like a lurking Broke in the shadows bidding his time, maybe trying to find more of the symbiont kinda how season 2 of Spectacular Spider-man animated series did it, I really liked that.
RaxusPrime
RaxusPrime - 5/6/2009, 8:57 PM
I think that if Venom is back in the next one and they do decide to go "dark" on the subject matter then Raimi would be perfect for directing again, especially if there are murders from Venom.
MetalHead
MetalHead - 5/6/2009, 9:06 PM
So many times I wish I was in the room for this:


Sometime during 2005-2006...

"Ok, I got it! I figured out who we'll cast for Venom!"
"Great, who?"
"Topher Grace."
"Topher Grace?"
"Topher Grace."
"Topher Grace?"
"Topher Grace."
"For Venom?"
"For Venom."
"Topher Grace? The 110-pound kid from 'That 70's Show'?"
"Yeah, that's the one."
"To play Venom/Eddie Brock, the 300 plus-pound body-building beast?"
"Yeah, that's right."
"Oh..... O...K...?"
WebSlinger22
WebSlinger22 - 5/6/2009, 9:27 PM
am I crazy or would John Cena make a good Eddie Brock??? I just kind of pictured the muscular eddie brock and John Cena and I think that would work...I like topher grace as an actor but the Venom/Eddie Brock I know is huge, and Topher obviously isn't...
Shadowelfz
Shadowelfz - 5/6/2009, 9:34 PM
Haha Metalhead it probably ended like this...

"I don't think Topher Grace fits the role good."
"Look man, Fox is forcing us to put Venom in the film, and were under time constraints so we had to get someone fast."
"But Why Topher Grace?"
"Because he quit the seventies show and is desperate for work."
"Okay, still doesnt sound like a good choice. We still getting paid either way?"
"Yep."
"Topher Grace it is!"
Betty
Betty - 5/6/2009, 9:42 PM
I know comic artists love to draw muscle bound guys. Why does almost every character have to be ripped? Eddie Brock IS huge. Why is he huge? Is it part of his character to be huge? He works at a newspaper. What does he do in his day to day life that makes him so muscular?

Venom is even larger than Brock so maybe it isnt Brock's physique that Venom builds upon. It could be Brock's acceptance of the symbiote that makes him so roided out when he's venom. Brock shouldve had a normal build and a normal size, with a ponch. And impotent cause thats what they're getting at.

Topher Grace sounds like part of a phrase like, "way ta not score with that chick topher grace." or "smooth move topher grace." ha, no i like him.
MetalHead
MetalHead - 5/6/2009, 9:54 PM
Actually, in Eddie Brock's case it actually is different. He specifically works out religiously because as he says, his symbiote (or "other" as he refers to it) had natural strength which Eddie did not and therefore he had to lift weights to gain strength, strength which he wanted to have to aid in his ability to kill Spider-Man.

Exact quote from 'The Amazing Spider-Man' #300 (Venom's first full-issue appearance):
(Speaking to his symbiote) "Guess I'll pump a little iron. Pop a sweat. You may not get your power from muscle buddy, but I sure do! And I want to make certain I'm in shape, y'know? For the kill!"
TheDurkinKnight
TheDurkinKnight - 5/6/2009, 10:30 PM
They could have done Venoms so well in the last movie. I dunno why Rami had his heart set on Sandman. I think Sandman sucks. And also the Goblin thing was done to death. Rami better man up in the next flick and not be Sony's tool again!
Shadowelfz
Shadowelfz - 5/6/2009, 10:37 PM
Honestly I dont care if a character resembles their comicbook counterpart in every which way, they just need to be believable. Venom is a very menacing character, yet I don't think there is a menacing bone in Topher Grace's spindly body. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, he's just the last person on Earth I would find 'intimidating.'

Though I do agree with you, Betty. Not every character needs to be 'ripped' to be tough. Christopher Walken was pretty skinny, and the guy who played Tony Soprano was big but not muscular, yet both played characters that were way more menacing than your average muscle-bound 'roid-monkey, know what I mean?
orod510
orod510 - 5/6/2009, 10:42 PM
don't hold your breath, Venom is over.
joob234
joob234 - 5/6/2009, 10:53 PM
i wish they made venom huge like he said, i always saw him as this big, bulky, goopy villain
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 5/6/2009, 11:22 PM
LEMME JUST SAY RAIMI WAS COAXED BY MARVEL AND AVI ARAD TO PUT VENOM INTO SPIDERMAN THREE, THE FANS DEMANDED IT AND RAIMI DID IT, NOW THE THING IS HE WAS VEERING FROM WHAT HE ENVISIONED SPIDERMAN 3 TO PLAY OUT..SO ITS NOT ENTIRELY RAIMI'S FAULT.DONT PUT VENOM IN SPIDERMAN 4..KEEP THE BALL ROLLING, WHATS WRONG WITH PEOPLE? LEAVE IT AND MOVE ON TO ANOTHER CHARACTER, TURN THE PAGE, WE DONT WANNA GO BACKWARDS.
shibazz
shibazz - 5/6/2009, 11:35 PM
Hey Captain America- I want to see KRAVEN vs. YER MOM! think about it , He could bait her into the open with a 40 square foot Lasagna made of 4 cheeses, some noodle, and two tons of discarded lab rat carcasses. Then when she is full he sprinkles some Buffalo urine on himself that causes her to fall in love with him. Then BOOM a NunChucka to the grill and she is down!!! Forget Venom, lets get started on the script! oops
Spilox
Spilox - 5/7/2009, 12:40 AM
Shibazz you are a freaking genious! :P.
But, the whole Kraven/lizard thing would work. [frick] Venom. They've raped him already. No point in doing it again with Raimi at the helm. Oohw and @ betty. I think you mean Calypso right?! ;). Yes, i'm just being an ass :D.
Oohw and i would just love to see old bruce play mysterio. That would be cool!
darthstern
darthstern - 5/7/2009, 1:20 AM
nick cage for eddie brock. Seriously a jacked up nick cage that would be sweet
CaptainAmerica
CaptainAmerica - 5/7/2009, 1:39 AM
shibazz is on her period again :( no one is safe.
ThunderCougarFalconBird
ThunderCougarFalconBird - 5/7/2009, 1:41 AM
Rorschach01 - 1st comment on your own article? That's just not cricket!
007440
007440 - 5/7/2009, 2:45 AM
F#CK Raimi!! I don't want Venom to fall on his Venom hating hands! He f#ck up my roof! I was crazy about Venom in Spidey 3 but Hated that that hater treated him as a help to the Sand dude, when Venom is a main big time, ass kicking, head ripping character!
I've heard the world about Venom, Goblins, Vulture, Raven,Black Cat, Kingpin, Scarlet Spider, ETC.

But I had NEVER Ever!! Heard of Sandman before Spiderman 3..EVER! How are they going to treat MASTER Venom like that! If Raimi or whatever his name is wants to have Venom in his gay little Spider-man movie he better dedicated the who freaking movie to him vs Spidey I don't expect less than that..

What? "Is a Spider-man movie not Venom"

F#%$ Spider-man! Venom Rules!
Macksimus
Macksimus - 5/7/2009, 2:55 AM
Hells yeah Todd tell em how its done.

Venom deserved way more screen time and character development than what he got in Spidey 3.

I say bring Venom back and then begin to develop Carnage and have him eventually become the villain.

...and make them the meanest nastiest things we've ever seen in Spiderman. I'm ready for a sybiot-centric Spiderman movie.

Bring it.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 5/7/2009, 4:47 AM
NO VENOM DON'T NEED TO BE IN SPIDEY 4!!! (theres so many spidey cool villains untouched). JUST GET ON WITH THE VENOM SPIN OFF!!! (Whew). ; )
ctrlaltd1337
ctrlaltd1337 - 5/7/2009, 5:35 AM
Pretty good idea to re-introduce him into spider-man, but not in the near future, we need Mysterio, Kraven, Lizard, Carnage, Scorpion, Rhino. They balls'd up Venom in Spider-Man 3, possibly their last and only chance of making Venom work in the movie. Should they make a spin-off? Maybe, but I'd hate to see Venom back in the next Spider-Man, cause it will show how desperate they are to make the fans happy. And it won't work atall. If anything, I'd love to see Doc oc back in the next one.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 5/7/2009, 6:10 AM
haha, thats how i role from now on Howlette! No more "First" monkeys! Ah no i just forgot to say it in the article and was too lazy to edit it in.

I always liked Sandman in the comic actually, and i thought he was good in the movie, except for the end when he turned into the frakkin Mummy Returns.

Im pretty sure Venom was the way he was in Spidey 3 because the studio was like.."whos this venom we keep hearing about? The fans really want him in Sam..put him in"..."no, i really dont care for Venom..plus it would be villain overload"...."PUT HIM IN THE [frick]ING MOVIE"..."Ok, you want him, ill give you Venom buahahahahahahah"

Betcha thats exactly how it went down!
TheMyth
TheMyth - 5/7/2009, 6:51 AM
I know Raimi originally intended for SM3 to be Spidey vs. Sandman and Vulture to set up for a finale to have the Sinister Six down the road. Raimi has been quoted multiple times saying he never wanted to use Venom and never would have in any of his SM films if it were his choice. An article was posted on this site a few months ago featuring a quote in which he said he failed to recognize what it was that made Venom so liked, and also acknowledged that he knew it was his fault for not being able to see it, but it was just his personal take on the character.

I think Todd is just pissin in the wind. Eddie Brock is dead. No 'what if's' about it. refer to this for proof.
www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/TheMyth7/news/?a=6642
While people can come up with Carnage and Mac Gargan/Venom all they want, the real Venom, Eddie Brock, has been reduced to a pile of ash in the movie continuity. Even making a solo movie for Eddie Brock/Venom(which would be the only one worth seeing) would undo the reality Sony has created.
ManThing
ManThing - 5/7/2009, 7:24 AM
I like Sandman too. I liked him in the movie too, even though his whining got kind of old.

@ Shibazz: Dude that was hilarious. Your very creative and Cap Am is probably crying his eyes out under his pillow right now.. lmao

@Gunsmith: Damn right. That's the truth. I do remember Raimi was quoted early on (Spider-man 1 days) as saying he did not want to do Venom, but he did it anyway. And judging by how poorly it was done he must have gone with his original idea and just sort of added the Venom parts in.
comicb00kguy
comicb00kguy - 5/7/2009, 7:29 AM
I was really disappointed in the Sandman in the last film. Raimi did a fantastic job capturing his origin, then he turns this formidable and interesting villain into a huge guttural monster. Was I the only one watching this who was just waiting for him to say "Sandman smash puny spider!"? Ridiculous! And don't get me started on that nonsense about him killing Uncle Ben!

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