Bruce Timm Wanted To Do The MAN OF STEEL Ending Before MAN OF STEEL Did

Bruce Timm Wanted To Do The MAN OF STEEL Ending Before MAN OF STEEL Did

Bruce Timm, one of the creative minds behind the DCAU and most of DC's animated movies, said in an interview recently he wanted Superman to snap someone's neck to defeat them in an animated movie before Man of Steel did that in a live action movie. Click to find which unlucky soul Timm wanted to have wear a neckbrace thanks to the Big Blue.

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By LEVITIKUZ - Jun 08, 2015 02:06 PM EST
Filed Under: Man of Steel
Source: Comic Book Resources

I think it's fair to say Man of Steel is perhaps the most mixed superhero film of all time. There are fans who love it, fans who hate it, and fans who are mixed. The good was no doubt the actors and actresses cast in the film, the character designs, and the fight scenes. The bad really comes down to the script written by Blade 3 writer/director who Wesley Snipes nearly killed, David S Goyer. We all know how Man of Steel ends. Zod uses heat vision to try to kill a family while Superman has him in a headlock and to save the family, Superman snaps Zod's neck killing him. Fans were mixed by this. On one hand what else could Superman have done? On the other, why write Superman in a position where he has no choose? On a third hand, there is biggest problems in this film than this.

Of course fans were outraged that Superman killed a villain who has the same powers as him and was going to kill all life as we know it on Earth. Thanks a lot Superman. Now basically same fans outraged claimed Bruce Timm should be one of the creative minds behind the DC Live Action Universe since he was a creative mind on the DC Animated Universe. Timm has gone on record to say he saw the script to Man of Steel before the film came out and said he liked it. While promoting his upcoming Justice League: Gods And Monsters animated film, Timm has said that he basically wanted Superman to give someone a neck massage before Man of Steel did.

"A couple years back when the "Man of Steel" came out, I remember the frenzy of the fans when they said, "Oh, I can't believe Superman killed General Zod! Superman would never do that." When I was watching the movie, my first thought was, "Well, dang, I wanted to do that in the Doomsday movie, when we had Superman versus Doomsday." I was going to have Superman do exactly the same deed. Doomsday was going to be getting ready to kill some innocent bystanders, and Superman was already mortally wounded, and he was going to use his last bit of strength to break Doomsday's neck. DC wouldn't let me do it. I said, "OK, well this version of Superman can do that." Nobody could ever say Superman can't do that. This version of Superman, we don't know what he's going to do.


The animated movie Bruce Timm is referring to is Superman: Doomsday which was an adaption of the famous comic book storyline "Death of Superman". So what are your thoughts on this? Do you agree with Bruce Timm's point of view? Do you disagree? Have you ever looked up in the night's sky wondering if somebody's looking back? Comment below, let me know. Peace and remember...




In an alternate universe, the Justice League is a brutal force that maintains order on Earth. Superman is the son of General Zod, who was rocketed to Earth as a child and raised by a family of Mexican immigrants. Batman is Kirk Langstrom, a scientist who has inadvertently transformed himself into a vampire in an attempt to cure his cancer. Wonder Woman is Bekka, who was the bride of the New God Orion. However, the Justice League's unaccountability is challenged by the world's governments following the suspicious deaths of renowned scientists.
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DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 6/8/2015, 2:24 PM


JamesMann
JamesMann - 6/8/2015, 2:25 PM
Good! We've been overdue for a flame war!
YeezusWept
YeezusWept - 6/8/2015, 2:27 PM
MercwithMouth
MercwithMouth - 6/8/2015, 2:28 PM
Yeah, the neck-snapping wasn't even a factor for those that have actual criticisms about Man of Steel. The "Superman doesn't kill!" crowd basically steps on any valid criticisms by clinging to some comic book colloquialism about Superman being better than that. He's killed in the comics, and in previous movies. No big deal. The movie failed on much more important points than a dead Kryptonian asshole.
JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 6/8/2015, 2:29 PM
LOL!

Man MOS still will not die..............this movie still gets more talk than the original Avengers movie!
DAMN
DAMN - 6/8/2015, 2:30 PM
it would have been better than mos
JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 6/8/2015, 2:30 PM
When these articles pops up it makes me wonder what Dexter is doing right now........................
JamesMann
JamesMann - 6/8/2015, 2:30 PM
He also talked about his opinion on Suicide Squad's Harley Quinn:

"Having gone on record saying he’s excited to see what Margot Robbie does with the character, Timm admits that it’s a case of the tables being turned – and that fans screaming ‘heresy’ are nothing new:
I’ve had some experience with this, with people being resistant to change. Back when we did the Justice League show, the first season, fans weren’t loving it. The second season they loved it. We fixed all the problems with the show. They were totally on board. And then we pulled the rug out from under them and changed the show completely. We added like 50-some odd new characters and called it Justice League Unlimited. No more two-part episodes. I knew the minute we did it that everybody was going to be freaking out. And I didn’t care.
I figured they were going to watch the show anyways just so they’d have something to ***** about. And then, ultimately, they’ll love the show. We did the same thing with Batman Beyond. When we first mentioned, “Oh yeah, we’re going to do a futuristic teenage Batman,” those are three words that nobody ever wanted to hear in the same sentence. Again, everybody was really skeptical. But they ultimately embraced the show.
I am as intrigued as anybody else [to see Suicide Squad’s Harley Quinn]. But, at the same time, I try to be impartial because I know I have more invested in it. And again, I’ve been on the other end, too. I mean we’ve taken characters that, in the comics, were really different and did something different with them in the animated shows. So I know what it’s like to take a character that you think is one thing and you make it something else. Our version of Mr. Freeze was something that nobody had ever really done… that’s now become like the default setting for Mr. Freeze.
But with a character like Harley, I always just have to remind myself: “Yeah, you know, I’ve taken liberties with other characters, so more power to them. They can do with that character whatever they want.” I just hope it’s good. That’s all I care about."

MAKE THIS INTO ANOTHER ARTICLE LEVI AND EARN YOUR KEEP!
xxxxxxx
xxxxxxx - 6/8/2015, 2:32 PM
@MercwithMouth That's fine with you having major problems with MoS other than Superman killing Zod, but you can't disregard the constant complaints from Donner-Era "fans" regarding the deed. It was a major (and from my view, baseless) gripe that people expressed over the movie.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 6/8/2015, 2:35 PM
I don't really understand the hate for the scene after either

The destruction and the city is blurred out when Clark is riding to The Daily Planet, and the media, especially newspapers are known for being more upbeat and fast-paced so the environment at the Planet was understandable

I'm sure that their going to address everything in B v S too
Brainiac13
Brainiac13 - 6/8/2015, 2:36 PM
Snyder/Goyer take great influence from N52 Superman books also Earth One v1.....I loved MOS.......perfect ending....
Talontd
Talontd - 6/8/2015, 2:37 PM
Imagine TIMM in a FEIGE type of role over the DC film universe...
Brainiac13
Brainiac13 - 6/8/2015, 2:38 PM
The Avengers vs. ‘Man of Steel’

At a certain point during the critics’ screening of “Avengers: Age of Ultron”—I believe it was when Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.) decided that it was more important to grab three people out of a collapsing tenement than focus on the world-ending event only he had the technical know-how to stop—I wrote “Oh, [expletive deleted] the civilians, get on with it” in my notebook.

A bit callous, perhaps. But it was a frustration borne of the fact that the central ethical struggle in “Age of Ultron” makes very little sense. The artificially intelligent Ultron (voiced by James Spader) pronounces that the Avengers are the true danger to Earth, the real threat that must be stopped. And though it’s an inaccurate assessment with lethal implications, everyone on the team starts behaving as if Ultron’s right, and it’s superheroes who are earth’s biggest problems, not a genocidal robot. As Captain America (Chris Evans) puts it before the climactic civilian evacuation—sorry, climactic “battle”—the team needs to prove to the world that Ultron is wrong about the Avengers being a deadly menace.

This is a rather head-scratching reaction. The Avengers, both as a team and in their constituent parts, have shown time and again throughout the movies that comprise the Marvel Cinematic Universe that they’re nothing but conscientious of civilians. We have no real reason to think the public distrusts them. They are war heroes and billionaire playboy philanthropist celebrities. They take special care to avoid civilian casualties while stopping genocide and make sure to rescue trapped civilians while stopping an alien invasion.

All of which is to say that I think Kate Erbland is basically right when she suggests that the real foe in “Avengers: Age of Ultron” isn’t a super-powered AI but 2013’s “Man of Steel.” For those of you who fail to follow the ins and outs and what-have-yous of every nerd kerfuffle (for shame!), many people were very upset at the Superman reboot’s last hour of Kryptonian-on-Kryptonian action. As Erbland puts it,

The Avengers want to save you. The DC heroes would like you to get out of the way. … Man Of Steel notably (and controversially) ends with the near-complete destruction of Metropolis, the kind of ruination that all but assures a hefty number of human casualties and plays up director Zack Snyder’s seeming obsession with making everything look terribly gray and filthy. Worse still, Superman (Henry Cavill) kills Zod (Michael Shannon) with a well-timed neck-snap once he realizes that his greatest foe will never stop waging battle against Supes or the planet at large, a brutal (and literal) twist that nearly takes off the villain’s head. It was awful.

I’ve never found the line of argument that Superman in “Man of Steel” doesn’t care enough about civilians particularly compelling. In part, that’s because making the case involves ignoring the first half of the film: We repeatedly see Clark Kent using his powers to save people, putting himself and his family at risk. He continues to aid people even after his father gives his own life to keep Clark’s true, alien identity secret. “The only way you could disappear for good is to stop helping people altogether,” Lois Lane (Amy Adams) tells Clark after tracking him down. “And I sense that’s not an option for you.”

Further, this argument suggests that Superman is responsible for the destruction of Metropolis, a notion I have a hard time fathoming. After all, most of the damage to Metropolis actually occurs during a 9/11-style attack by General Zod and his “world engine,” a terraforming device that uses gravity waves to demolish a solid 30 square blocks of the city. Sure, there’s a bit more ancillary damage as Zod and Superman fight in Metropolis after the device is destroyed, but most of that battle takes place long after any sane civilian has fled the city in terror. The action goes down in the hole the world engine has created, through an empty office building, and into an empty construction site. Could Superman have redirected the fight away from the city? Perhaps. But given the fact that Zod has explicitly stated his desire to murder as many folks as he can, I’m not sure it would have worked for long.

When Superman finally comes face to face with civilians during the final fight with Zod, we see his protective instincts kick in again: The mad general has turned his heat vision on a family cowering in a corner, pledging to kill as many humans as he possibly can to make Kal-El suffer for destroying his dream to rebuild Krypton. Superman begs him to stop. Pleads. Cajoles. And, when push comes to shove, he kills the murderous mad man in order to save the innocent civilians.

Erbland describes this as a “shocking crime.” Frankly, this seems a bit overwrought. After all, the Avengers can brutally dismember a thousand robots—essentially exterminating a new form of sentient life—and no one cares. But we are supposed to wring our hands if Superman uses lethal force to stop one mass murderer with superpowers who has repeatedly pledged to kill millions more solely for spite? It’s certainly a powerful moment, in large part because Pa Kent (Kevin Costner) taught Clark that good men must turn the other cheek when confronted by bullies. The anguished cry Superman lets out as Zod hits the pavement shows the emotional toll the action has taken on him: He now understands that sometimes doing “good” means taking a life.

I get the sense that what makes some people uncomfortable about “Man of Steel” is that it more closely reflects the way war is fought today than a movie like “Age of Ultron.” Ours is an age of terror and drones, of bombing campaigns and troops on the ground in urban settings and of the collateral damage that results. Joss Whedon’s flick, with its supposedly civilian-casualty-free assault on an Eastern European nation, calls to mind the conception of warfare from the mid-1990s, an era when smart bombs and precision-guided munitions were supposed to prevent war from affecting innocent people.

The idea that you can stop monsters with missiles, sparing civilians entirely, is a pleasant (if false) fantasy, one that might help explain why “Age of Ultron” surpassed “Man of Steel’s” box office take in just nine days. Some people prefer soothing falsehoods to harsh truths.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 6/8/2015, 2:39 PM
I remember the first time I saw Man of Steel in theaters. I was with a few of my die-hard comic book friends and we were all ridiculously amped for the movie. We got to the theater hours ahead of the midnight premiere, were at the front of the line, and got the absolute best seats.

So we're watching it and we get to the scene with Supes and the family that's about to be vaporized by Zod. You could literally hear a pin drop, it was so ridiculously quiet in the theater. The atmosphere in that room was incredible. Then Superman snapped his neck, the audience audibly gasped, went silent again, Superman and Lois are just standing there looking at each other and at Zod's lifeless corpse.

...and you just hear my buddy next to me yell out in complete exasperation: "THANK YOUUUU!!!!" while everybody near us bursts out in laughter and kills the entire movie for everybody else. Good times.
JoeMomma29
JoeMomma29 - 6/8/2015, 2:41 PM
@brainiac13

Whoa!!!!!! That was a great read!!!!!!!!!
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 6/8/2015, 2:42 PM
@TandAFan

Oh, haha, yeah, that was kind of unnecessary, not sure why they included that, especially because it looks like he is working with the government in B v S
BlackStar25
BlackStar25 - 6/8/2015, 2:45 PM
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 6/8/2015, 2:47 PM
I'm writing it up @JamesMann
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 6/8/2015, 2:48 PM
I can't wait for the DCCU to finally have more than 1 movie, so we can finally talk about something else
Nickk
Nickk - 6/8/2015, 2:49 PM
so much flame war so many paragraphs this is like a book thread @LEVITIKUZ please wright it up before josh trys to steal it i need to warm up some popcorn
xxxxxxx
xxxxxxx - 6/8/2015, 2:49 PM
So has anyone else seen "Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt"? I finished it a while ago and it was fantastic.
MercwithMouth
MercwithMouth - 6/8/2015, 2:49 PM
@TheCardist

I agree, there was a very vocal opposition to that scene. But, if you re-read my comment carefully, you'll notice that I separated those psychotic mouth-breathers from the group of people with valid criticisms.

I don't think I've encountered anyone that uses that scene as a problem along with valid criticism. Not even Dexter complained about the neck-snapping, as it was a necessary act in the context of the film.
BritishMonkey
BritishMonkey - 6/8/2015, 2:51 PM
Funny thing is, if this really did happen everyone would be ok with it. Probably because it was Bruce Timm that did it.
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