AGATHA ALL ALONG: Who Are Wiccan And [SPOILER]? - Everything You Need To Know About Their MCU Debuts

AGATHA ALL ALONG: Who Are Wiccan And [SPOILER]? - Everything You Need To Know About Their MCU Debuts

Following the latest episode of Agatha All Along, we're taking a deep dive into Wiccan and Speed's comic book histories and what all this could mean for Marvel Studios' MCU plans. Read on for details...

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By JoshWilding - Oct 17, 2024 03:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Agatha: Coven of Chaos

As expected, Agatha All Along has added Wiccan to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. However, the big twist came when we learned that rather than heading down the Witches' Road for power or to find his mother, the Scarlet Witch, "Teen" is actually seeking his brother, Tommy.

As Wiccan and Speed, they're two of the Marvel Universe's most powerful Young Avengers. Marvel Studios is clearly setting the stage for a much bigger story, but who are these two and what does their history look like on the page?

In this feature, we're taking a deep dive into their comic book introductions, how they became superheroes, and their dynamic with Wanda Maximoff. Then, we explore what this means for the MCU and what elements of the story Marvel Studios will likely adapt. 

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5. A Complicated Origin Story

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Billy and Tommy Maximoff first appeared in 1985's Vision and Scarlet Witch #12 when Wanda Maximoff used her reality-altering powers to give birth. However, in doing so, she inadvertently used parts of souls that were Mephisto's property. 

One of his agents, the villainous Master Pandemonium, was sent to retrieve the devil's spirits and ultimately reabsorbed them both in one of the weirdest, most twisted retcons ever. 

With her twin babies essentially murdered, Agatha Harkness wiped Wanda's memory to protect her. However, while Agatha thought she was doing right by her mentee, this trauma led to the Scarlet Witch's descent into madness in the pages of Avengers Disassembled and House of M.
 

4. Joining The Young Avengers

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Driven mad by her powers and the knowledge of what happened to her children years earlier, the Scarlet Witch laid waste to Earth's Mightiest Heroes, killing Ant-Man, Hawkeye, and even Vision. The team disassembled and Quicksilver's attempt to reshape the world in Magneto's image ultimately led to Wanda declaring, "No More Mutants."

While that was happening, Billy and Tommy's spirits were reborn in the bodies of Billy Kaplan and Tommy Shepherd. They grew up separately with no memory of their short time on Earth before crossing paths with Master Pandemonium.

Each of them mysteriously developed superpowers as teens - Billy's were very much like the Scarlet Witch, while Tommy had Quicksivler's speed -  and Wiccan was among the founding members of the Young Avengers. Things didn't go quite as smoothly for Tommy, though... 
 

3. Reunited With Speed

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Tommy was a bit of a livewire and, unable to fully control his superspeed, eventually found himself locked up in a superhuman juvenile detention facility (he'd created a lot of property damage in his school). 

Broken out by the Young Avengers, Speed quickly showed the same arrogance as his uncle Pietro and didn't seem at all interested in hearing Billy's suggestion that they might be twins and the reincarnated sons of the Scarlet Witch. While Vision is technically their father, the fact he's an android and Wanda used her powers to conceive them means that relationship has never fully been explored.

Wiccan and Speed would go on to become teammates, with the latter eventually accepting their shared history and joining Billy on his quest to find their mother who, at the time, was still missing. 
 

2. Finding The Scarlet Witch

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Having discovered that Mephisto's defeat in battle shortly after their souls were returned to him led to them being freed, Wiccan and Speed trace Wanda to Latveria. Suffering from amnesia, she's about to marry Doctor Doom before he, usurpingly, attempts to steal her powers. 

The Scarlet Witch is eventually rescued and remembers everything, reuniting with her sons in a touching moment at the end of Avengers: The Children's Crusade

Wanda has since found redemption among both The Avengers and X-Men, while Wiccan and Speed continued serving as superheroes. They've occasionally teamed up with their mother, though don't exactly have a conventional relationship given that both boys grew up with their own "biological" parents. 
 

1. What Does This Mean For The MCU?

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In the latest episode of Agatha All Along, we learned that when the Hex around Westview came down, Billy's soul was freed and found a new home in the body of William Kaplan shortly after the 13-year-old died in a car crash.

However, while he knows he's Billy Maximoff and had a brother called Tommy, he remembers nothing of that life or his time as William. This is very much in line with the comics, but Billy does have powers and is travelling down the Witches' Road to find Tommy who he can sense is also out there somewhere. 

When Billy and Tommy reunite, we'd bet on them also seeking out the Scarlet Witch for answers about their past. When and where Marvel Studios will deliver this story is hard to say, though Wiccan and Speed likely show up in Vision before taking centre stage in the long-rumoured Scarlet Witch movie.
 

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cubrn
cubrn - 10/17/2024, 3:38 PM
My guess is he is reunited with Speed at the end of this series and then the Vision series will be about their quest to find him and reunite their family again.
MotherFuckerJon
MotherFuckerJon - 10/17/2024, 3:45 PM
Was the BF supposed to be Hulkling? His name was Eddie? Or Teddy?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/17/2024, 3:48 PM
@Mother[frick]erJon - He did immediately jump to aliens when they were talking about Westview.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/17/2024, 3:54 PM
@Mother[frick]erJon - I just IMDb'd it. He was Eddie not Teddy. Missed opportunity.
BabyLasagna
BabyLasagna - 10/17/2024, 4:04 PM
@Mother[frick]erJon - name was Eddie so i doubt he is Hulkling

I assume Teddy will appear eventually but not in this show
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 10/17/2024, 6:23 PM
@Mother[frick]erJon - In the comics he didn't meet Hulkling till Young Avengers formed, they put a few seeds in there to suggest it could be but suspect they will merge Skaar and Hulkling in effect thus use Banners son instead but remains to be seen.
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 10/17/2024, 8:25 PM
@Apophis71 - I remember reading that they were going to use Skaar instead of Hulkling for the Young Avengers. I guess it could work, Hulkling really didn’t use his shapeshifting powers that often other than giving himself wings.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/17/2024, 3:49 PM
Should they delay Doomsday? There's a lot of ground to cover before we get there, if they're adapting Children's Crusade. I wonder if Ms Marvel will essentially be Young Avengers.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 10/17/2024, 3:59 PM
@ObserverIO - I honestly think they should, unless another movie led into secret wars. I feel like secret wars will slow everything down to a halt unless it's like antman and the wasp and all the movies happen congruently
Gambito
Gambito - 10/17/2024, 4:00 PM
Wait wait so Wanda can create souls out of nowhere now?? Like okay I guess
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/17/2024, 4:10 PM
@Gambito - User Comment Image
Rmcbride7349
Rmcbride7349 - 10/17/2024, 6:12 PM
@Gambito - You know this is a show about magic right? It’s also straight from the comics so I don’t know wtf you’re complaining about
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 10/17/2024, 6:34 PM
@Gambito - Every Mother kinda does IRL but more the point the article and source states that they landed on the idea that they were pre-existing souls she gave form.

I mean there are huge debates on the how and when a fetus has a soul when created biologicaly, but even in regard to the natural way of things if a soul is a thing it comes out of nowhere at some point or is reincarnated and that would still apply if we used designer cloning type tech sans the messy Mommy and Daddy stuff in a lab or magic.

At first in the comics it was JUST magic but that didn't go down too well in some quarters thus retconned it to be parts of Mephisto's soul after, then an additional retcon in order to bring them back, WITHOUT being parts of that demonic being, by making it that they were lost souls which Wanda used to create life with layers of manipulation and lies from Mephisto...

...either way Wiccan and Speed were both born in the normal way to normal humans in the comics and had been born years before Wanda created her twins so whichever way you twist it, they are still basic humans with human souls and mutant powers.
Gambito
Gambito - 10/17/2024, 6:35 PM
@Rmcbride7349 - who the hell is complaining [frick]head? I’m just pointing out he lazy ASS writing on the show also shared by the comics
Blergh
Blergh - 10/18/2024, 5:11 AM
@Gambito - dude, you’re complaining about a universe in which we had artificially created characters from day 1. Jarvis was always suggested to be a somewhat sentient AI, acting against Tony‘s commands and instead acting in his best interest. We then saw the e soulstone create Ultron and enhance Jarvis to full sentience into Visiom.
The same power flows through Wanda, enhancing her inherit magic and mutation. She’s essentially able to create whatever reality she wants if going completely unhinged.

I wouldn’t call it lazy writing because it’s not used as a means to solve conflict but to create it. If her creating souls was a deus ex machina to solving problems within the MCU I’d agree but instead her desires manifesting into reality is treated as almost parasitic. Taking over the lives of others and overtaking bodies.
Order66
Order66 - 10/17/2024, 4:15 PM
What’s tragic about this is that the real Billy Kaplan died at 13 and moved on.
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 10/17/2024, 5:40 PM
At some point they got to bring Mephisto in on this, right?

I know the MCU don't really adhere to the comics but it'll seem like a waste not to have him behind this since the twins were basically conjured up from his remains.
OriginalGusto1
OriginalGusto1 - 10/17/2024, 7:42 PM
@Nomis929 -

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Blergh
Blergh - 10/18/2024, 5:12 AM
@Nomis929 - I do remember hearing that Sasha Baron-Cohen was set to play Mephisto in Ironheart. Maybe it was a misdirect casting for this show?

I’m not sure it’s still going to happen because of the SA accusations towards Cohen
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 10/18/2024, 9:10 AM
@Blergh - That'll be awesome casting.
Biggums
Biggums - 10/19/2024, 10:35 AM
At this rate I'll never get to hear "No More Mutants"

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