THE FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER Producer Explains Why The THUNDERBOLTS Weren't In The Series

THE FALCON AND THE WINTER SOLDIER Producer Explains Why The THUNDERBOLTS Weren't In The Series

The Falcon and The Winter Soldier executive producer Nate Moore has explained why the Thunderbolts didn't show up in the series, while showrunner Malcolm Spellman teases possible future plans for the team.

By JoshWilding - Apr 29, 2021 12:04 PM EST
Source: Entertainment Weekly

Heading into The Falcon and The Winter Soldier, it's fair to say we all expected some sort of Thunderbolts tease. Unfortunately, Baron Zemo was taken to The Raft by the Dora Milaje, and no one showed up to recruit him to any sort of team (then again, he really should be the leader of that group). 

In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, executive producer Nate Moore said that "the honest truth is, no" when asked if the villainous team was ever considered for the Disney+ series. 

"Not because we don't think they're cool because they are, but because we already felt like there was so much on the table in this series that we didn't also then want to introduce a group of characters, or reintroduce people that we've seen in the past, and cloud the story," he continued.

"The more characters you produce, then you have to service them," he adds. "And then we wouldn't have had time to maybe go home with Sam and Bucky to Louisiana, or do some of those things. That, on a character level, got us interested in doing this [show] in the first place."

Just because they didn't show up here, doesn't mean there aren't plans for the Thunderbolts down the line. The Falcon and The Winter Soldier showrunner Malcolm Spellman also talked to the site and teased: "I don't know. I just know there seems to be a lot of chatter around that. I don't know if fans are crazy or not."

If nothing else, just like Mephisto in WandaVision, all the online chatter must have made Kevin Feige realise that fans are desperate to see this team of villains posing as heroes on screen.

Whether it will happen remains to be seen, but if their debut is going to be set up anywhere, then it will probably be the upcoming Black Widow movie...


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6. "Power Broker"

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Our trip to Madripoor should have been one of the most exciting parts of The Falcon and The Winter Soldier, but it was...just okay. Unfortunately, this episode felt a little too much like filler, with its saving grace being Daniel Brühl's unmissable performance as the villainous Baron Zemo. 

The actor was clearly having an absolute blast with this retconned version of the character, and there was heaps of intrigue to be found from start to finish as we learned more about the Power Broker and "his" super soldier serum. At this point, we didn't know the ultimate reveal would be such a let-down.

Ultimately, Madripoor deserved more screentime, making this episode feel somewhat unsatisfying. 

Our Review: Daniel Brühl is extraordinary as Baron Zemo, while Emily VanCamp delivers the tough-as-nails Sharon Carter we've been waiting for in this exhilarating episode of The Falcon and The Winter Soldier.
 

5. "Truth"

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The penultimate episode of The Falcon and The Winter Soldier put action to one side to prioritise the show's characters (which is no bad thing). However, after the events of the fourth instalment, fans were keen for answers and "Truth" glossed over those in order to make us wait for that final chapter. 

On the plus side, that battle pitting John Walker against The Falcon and Bucky was phenomenal, as was the spotlight being put on the friendship the latter two heroes had managed to develop here.

Sure, some of the dialogue was a tad on the nose, but this was still a solid effort for the most part. That training montage was badass, and the final tease when Sam opened that case made for a fun ending.

Our Review: Flag Smasher and her crew continue to underwhelm, but another strong character-driven episode of The Falcon and The Winter Soldier nicely sets the stage for a finale that is likely to be a game-changer for the MCU.
 

4. "New World Order"

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The opening episode of the Disney+ series kicked off with some blockbuster visuals and an action scene that would have looked incredible on the big screen. From there, we quickly delved into what makes Sam and Bucky tick away from their fellow Avengers, and that proved to be fascinating. 

The premiere was somewhat lacking on laughs, and often a little too sombre. Despite that, this was still a solid opener for The Falcon and The Winter Soldier that nicely set the tone for the series.

Its biggest mistake, however, was not bringing together the show's two leads at any point. It even failed to lay the groundwork for that in any way, making what we got in the second episode feel forced.

Our Review: The Falcon and The Winter Soldier brings the big screen blockbuster experience to Disney+ in a promising premiere that lays the groundwork for another Marvel Studios series which defies expectations and takes its leads on a thrilling journey.
 

3. "The Whole World Is Watching"

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The spotlight was put squarely on Captain America in this episode, giving Wyatt Russell the chance to shine as he came to terms with what it meant for him to wield the shield as a normal man. That led him to tragedy, and down a dark route after taking the final vial of Power Broker's super soldier serum. 

Seeing the Dora Milaje in action was also a treat, and even Erin Kellyman was given the chance to shine alongside Anthony Mackie (the best the Flag Smasher had been up until this point). That villain's group was a disappointment throughout, but at least Marvel Studios gave her some depth here. 

Throw in a killer - literally! - ending, and this was a great episode of the Disney+ series. 

Our Review: "The Whole World Is Watching" finds a quintessential balance of action and character moments, putting the spotlight on the excellent Wyatt Russell's John Walker and what it means to be Captain America in today's world.
 

2. "One World, One People"

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The finale wasn't to everyone's liking, and that's understandable. Things wrapped up far too quickly for some characters (that Power Broker reveal sucked), and it felt like this episode needed at least another 10 minutes or so to really let that final act breathe. Bucky, in particular, deserved better because while we didn't expect to see him make all those amends, he did so far too quickly!

Still, that U.S. Agent reveal was awesome, and most importantly, so was Sam Wilson's evolution into a new role. That all worked wonderfully, and his speech cemented him as the MCU's new Captain America. That was the goal this series set out to achieve, and it did so in an effective, memorable way. 

Carl Lumbly also deserves a special mention for that fantastic final scene in the museum with Mackie.

Our Review: The Falcon and The Winter Soldier's finale ushers in a bold new era of storytelling for the Marvel Cinematic Universe in an episode that sees Anthony Mackie firmly establish himself as the deserving new face of this shared world.
 

1. "The Star-Spangled Man"

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This is perhaps the closest The Falcon and The Winter Soldier got to perfection. With the two leads finally together, the chemistry between Sam and Bucky was really allowed to come to the forefront. With heaps of humour and action, this really did feel like a full-blown Marvel Studios movie. 

It didn't gloss over the issues Malcolm Spellman put the spotlight on in his premiere, but added to that by further exploring its leads and the new Captain America's place in this shared world. 

We'd have loved to see more of this tone in the rest of the show; instead, there were just glimpses of it. We can only hope that Michael Kastelein gets to return to the MCU down the line.

Our Review: The Falcon and The Winter Soldier is the Marvel Cinematic Universe at its best with this second episode. Michael Kastelein's script tackles timely issues, while making Wyatt Russell's John Walker a character we can't wait to see more of.
 

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Reeds2Much
Reeds2Much - 4/29/2021, 12:40 PM
Because it was six episodes and they were already skimming story elements.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 4/29/2021, 12:43 PM
@Reeds2Much - he’s 100% saying this
GhostDog
GhostDog - 4/29/2021, 12:43 PM
@Reeds2Much -

drbong
drbong - 4/30/2021, 11:03 AM
@Reeds2Much - why do these people need to explain anything except the very bad physics
drbong
drbong - 4/30/2021, 11:07 AM
@Reeds2Much - also the very bad writing in the spider-man movies/casting of Peter’s peers
Which drives me insane
People need to answer for that shit at some point
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 4/29/2021, 12:42 PM
Not to sound like a broken record or to even say they needed to be in there, but they need to rethink putting a cap on how many hours these shows have to be. It’s not a movie where someone has to sit in their theater seats for a certain amount of time, this is streaming tv dropped weekly. Unless it’s just a budget thing, which could be the case, they need to give the show runners enough time to service their characters so no one’s development get shafted
McMurdo
McMurdo - 4/29/2021, 12:51 PM
@MyCoolYoung - I don’t know that more hours coulda honestly helped this show. Don’t get me wrong, Sam was pretty well drawn. Bucky was blown, in my opinion as his arc ended with a thud that mostly happened off screen. But look at Isaiah Bradley, dude has a fantastic backstory and he deserved so much more than being a pure plot device for this show. He legit only existed to be a plot device, and that is complete horse shit in my opinion. And Lemar had little to no development himself and he’s supposed to be the final straw for Walker’s transition. Don’t get me started on characters like Sam’s sister or Walker’s wife who are essentially just non characters with no real characterization. They had all these episodes and yet a lot of the characters got zero real development. If anything, I think this show coulda worked so much better as a well written 2 hour movie. I just think the writing is really what held this show back and I don’t think more run time woulda changed that.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 4/29/2021, 12:53 PM
@MyCoolYoung - Like how the Netflix shows committed hard on 13 episodes when there were times the story only demanded 8-10.

Hopefully, they don't fall into that hole. But this is all new for Marvel, the tv side. Gonna be growing pains.

But I also agree with @McMurdo

The writing faltered especially toward the end. I thought the show started off strong the first few episodes.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 4/29/2021, 1:01 PM
@BlackBeltJones - first few eps were pretty good but I have to admit the third episode started to lose me when Sam puts on a change of clothes and everyone in Madripore says “oh that’s not the Falcon ITS THAT OTHER BLACK GUY!” For a show dealing with race, that subplot felt extremely tone deaf. But
You are right there absolutely are going to be growing pains. It sounds like maybe the cut plot affected the episodes post the first couple of episodes. I could be wrong on that but it just felt off after the first couple eps. I personally loved, LOVED Wandavision. And I’m someone who really disliked the third act of BP as the film was exceptional prior to that, but there was so much good shit in that final episode of Wanda with both Wanda and Vision that I enjoyed it enough for it not to tarnish the show for me.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 4/29/2021, 1:12 PM
@BlackBeltJones - I agree with both of you and I believe we've spoke about this before.

It seems like these shows are too hesitant to push the envelope on any character.

On Daredevil they was able to do pretty much whatever they wanted within that realm but it seems these shows can't. I dont think they're able to introduce the thunderbolts because marvel/Disney doesn't want to throw the audiences off who just watch the movies and not the shows which sucks
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 4/29/2021, 1:16 PM
@McMurdo - I think it could be a combination of the writing, time constraints, and marvel constraints.

Maybe we're able to get Bradley's back story if there's more time or that flashback to Afghanistan with John walker which could've helped both Lamar and John.

The show just felt really tame at time. Bucky's arc ending off screen was a real bummer for me. Sebestian has been acting his ass off his entire MCU career and as soon as it was revealed who Yuri was I was looking forward to that uncomfortable conversation but it really ended in a whimper.
Zer0squad
Zer0squad - 4/29/2021, 12:43 PM
I don't buy this argument at all. How hard or how much more would it really have added to just drop a quick tease in at the end? Marvel is legendary for that at this point. No, if they didn't tease Thunderbolts it's because they already have an introduction or tease planned out somewhere else IMO.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 4/29/2021, 12:44 PM
@Zer0squad - well Val could be a tease of that technically
Zer0squad
Zer0squad - 4/29/2021, 12:46 PM
@MyCoolYoung - yeah, the fact that they didn't run farther with that makes me think they got a proper tease planned later somewhere.
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 4/29/2021, 1:05 PM
@Zer0squad - I just think these shows won't be necessary viewings for the movies. For instance, Falcons Cap suit debuted here but the general audiences already knew he'd be Cap since the end of endgame. They aren't going that far with any narrative so it seems. It just kind of give back story to the movies.
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 4/29/2021, 12:45 PM
This show was - in many ways - a 'greatest hits' run thru of the Cap franchise locations/characters/easter eggs, in as many ways as they could get away with. I'm still surprised we didn't get an "I can do this all day" by anyone, because that was the sort of cheap stuff I thought would get thrown in. So even though I thought we'd get at least Mockingbird in this show (or someone non plot related for Walker/Battlestar to tussle with), I totally get that they wanted to keep things focused around Cap's franchise and legacy.

What I'm sure Marvel picked up on tho was how electric Daniel Bruhl is in a closer-to-comic-accurate role, and also how audiences reacted to Zemo as a character. I'm sure if they didn't already have plans for Thunderbolts, there's definitely some wheels turning on that now
GhostDog
GhostDog - 4/29/2021, 12:45 PM
I don't think it would've been difficult to add a line here or there of someone keeping an eye on Zemo as a "candidate." Its a tease but its enough for now.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 4/29/2021, 12:48 PM
Agreed. It would've overshadowed the overall the narrative with only 6 episodes for this season.
braunermegda
braunermegda - 4/29/2021, 12:49 PM
OH MY GOD JOSH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MOVE ON
McMurdo
McMurdo - 4/29/2021, 12:55 PM
@braunermegda - Josh Wilding gave this show 5 stars man. He loved it. I’m not sure why you’re getting all up on him for this article.
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