SECRET INVASION Writer/Producer Reveals Shocking Reason AMPTP Rejected Proposal To Pay Writers On Time

SECRET INVASION Writer/Producer Reveals Shocking Reason AMPTP Rejected Proposal To Pay Writers On Time

As the SAG-AFTRA and WGA strikes continue, Secret Invasion writer/producer Cat Vasko reveals the shocking reason why AMPTP rejected a proposal to pay writers on time...

By MarkCassidy - Jul 30, 2023 12:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Secret Invasion

The WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes are still in full effect, and are not expected to end anytime soon due to the AMPTP's (Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers) refusal to budge and agree to pay writers and actors what they consider to be a fair wage.

One of the major issues for striking writers is getting paid on time, and The Wrap is reporting that the AMPTP rejected a proposal to honor what seems like a perfectly reasonable request outright.

Why would the trade association have a problem with paying writers in a timely manner? According to Secret Invasion writer/producer Cat Vasko, they believe it would lead to a dip in performance levels.

“Their explanation was, then we wouldn’t be incentivized to work as hard. It’s insulting to hear with the amount of work that we already do for free."

“The feature system has been kind of broken for a while," she continued. "One of our feature writing proposals was just pay us on a weekly basis, the exact same amount of money, but paid to us weekly, so that when we reached the end of our term, we’ve been paid. And they said, ‘No.’ It’s not even a difference in the amount of money. That’s completely irrational.

It’s very frustrating. If you were in any other field it would be unacceptable, but because it’s a creative field, there’s always this sense that, if you’re not willing to put up with these conditions, [plenty of other people will be]. I think we’re now seeing that’s been pushed to the limit.”

If the AMPTP is refusing to pay writers on time, it's hard to imagine they'd be willing to come to the table and even consider forking out more money.

The strikes have already led to significant delays, with Sony Pictures the first, but almost certainly not the last, major studio to push several of its upcoming projects back.

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HAILHYDRA
HAILHYDRA - 7/30/2023, 12:20 PM
I’m not saying it’s right, but acting like that form of compensation is unique to creative professions is pretty out if touch.
EnergyVamp
EnergyVamp - 7/30/2023, 12:20 PM
I watched Secret Invasion along with all the MCU shows and it made me switch sides.
I am now supporting the studios!
If Bob Iger and Netflix wanna wait till writers get tight on rent...maybe it will inspire a change of career too.
Make a deal with the actors, hold out on this generation of writers
KaptainKhaos
KaptainKhaos - 7/30/2023, 1:03 PM
@EnergyVamp - No, you pay your staff, if they make an inferior product then you give them an ultimatum (make good content or leave), but you always pay your workers
EnergyVamp
EnergyVamp - 7/30/2023, 1:57 PM
@KaptainKhaos - wrong. THe bbosses should be allowed to do what they want because they have money. If they want to pay you later it is what it is, beggars cannot choose. They are superior for reason. They are smarter and make better decisions for the staff. we stupid. Always listen to people that pay you. My boss say i give you money late because too hot to sell, police look for my product. I say okay i hope you sell quick for me and i wait
malschla
malschla - 7/30/2023, 4:41 PM
@KaptainKhaos - that is really difficult to do when you can hire only replacements from that same union.
RolandD
RolandD - 7/30/2023, 4:48 PM
@EnergyVamp - Perhaps your boss pays you low based on your poor writing skills, and this is ironic as you are commenting on an article about writers. I also wish I could introduce you to one of my supervisors from years ago. She was not smarter, she just took a position that no one else wanted in many among my co- workers or I could have done better. OK, that last example wasn’t fair but I just felt like writing about it.
EnergyVamp
EnergyVamp - 7/30/2023, 6:39 PM
@RolandD - my boss pay me well. We sell hot product! Sometimes you smell it, sometimes you smoke it. Mucho mucho money but he pay only when we sell on corners good.
RolandD
RolandD - 7/30/2023, 10:09 PM
@EnergyVamp - Lolololol. Good reply.
Dotanuki
Dotanuki - 7/30/2023, 12:22 PM
What is considered “on time”? Do they bill the client monthly or is it some other arrangement? A little more context would help.
eRex
eRex - 7/30/2023, 1:31 PM
@Dotanuki - Agreed. I'd love to know more and wish articles would explain both sides of the argument. I'd say most professions get paid biweekly (every two weeks) or bimonthly (twice a month). My wife is in education and gets paid monthly.

I could imagine scenarios where writers do three weeks worth of writing -- just for fun, let's say that's 3/4 of a script -- and get three weeks of their pay. If a writer wants to leave the project, then a studio is left with a partial script that they've already mostly paid someone for.

I'm sure this an oversimplification, and I'll admit I don't know anything about this specific industry or current contract setup. Again, an article with context from both sides would be nice.

Does anyone here have some experience with this? @Patient2670 seems to have some good insight in a separate comment.
Dotanuki
Dotanuki - 7/30/2023, 3:30 PM
@eRex - exactly! I am in a profession which I bill the client upon completion of an assignment or monthly as work is being completed. I can also request a retainer for larger assignment. Clients should pay within 30-90 days and I have my company to pay me once an invoice is issued. In the past, I would have to wait for receipt of payment to be reimbursed.

Without more detail, it’s difficult to understand what is happening.
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 7/30/2023, 6:55 PM
@eRex - In TV, Series Regulars Actors get paid per episode. Guest cast get paid as daily or weekly, depending on how big the role is, which must be paid within, I believe 10 business days from completion of work. Writers get paid weekly for their time "In the Room" like the rest of the crew and they get their script and revision fees upon completion of their assignment. Again, within 10 business days, I believe.

I've been working in the industry a long time now. And let me say, I support a lot of what the writers and actors are asking for. But I do think, now that they've exercised the nuclear option, they should at least be going back to the bargaining table to fight it out until they reach an agreement. This fight is now being had, solely in the media. A lot of people who aren't in either of those guilds are fast going broke. Refusing to work until an agreement is made is one thing. But nobody is currently talking to each other to get there. And that's on both sides.
eRex
eRex - 7/30/2023, 9:08 PM
@Patient2670 - Thanks for the insight and response.
Patient2670
Patient2670 - 7/30/2023, 12:31 PM
This sounds a bit suspect. Studios incur fines if payment to any union member isn't made in a timely manner. Ironically, Studios also incur fines when the writers don't deliver scripts in a timely manner. Let me say that again. The unions fine the studios when a writer doesn't meet a deadline in order for a director and or crew to prep a project. Not the writers, the studios get hit with the fines. This happens all the time in television. I've seen it happen where the studio was fined for not getting ta script to the director on time - and the writer WAS the director.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 7/30/2023, 12:32 PM


Increase the pay for all the good/great writers.

Fire all the sh!tty writers.

Guess which group gets happy.

Problem solved.

marvel72
marvel72 - 7/30/2023, 12:38 PM
@DocSpock - Exactly it's not rocket science.

Hire good/great writers,directors and actors and people may watch your shit.
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 7/30/2023, 2:17 PM
@DocSpock - the only problem with that is who decides who’s a shitty writer. Stephen King has made millions of dollars and some individuals still think he’s a hack. What happens if the people who write the checks decide Stephen King is a hack?
DocSpock
DocSpock - 7/30/2023, 5:59 PM
@WruceBayne -

Then another publishing house will pick him up. If an employer doesn't want you, and you are very good, another employer will pick you right up. I spent 40 years in business. That's how it works.

RolandD
RolandD - 7/30/2023, 12:47 PM
@PlusUltra - Really? Please site your source of information. I am a professional and I have always been paid on a regular schedule although not weekly. I have always been paid either twice a month or bi-weekly.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 7/30/2023, 12:52 PM
@RolandD - Well you yourself just said you don’t get paid weekly, and that’s my point. Very few professions do, and the ones that do aren’t usually white-collar workers.
RolandD
RolandD - 7/30/2023, 3:10 PM
@PlusUltra - Once again, cite your reference that most professionals are not paid on a regular basis. The vast majority of my friends are professionals and they get paid on a regular basis, not by the job. You’re saying that biweekly pay or twice a month pay is really just splitting hairs. This includes professions like doctors and lawyers. So yeah, it is an issue, not a non-issue like you said.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 7/30/2023, 4:10 PM
@RolandD - I never said most professionals aren’t paid on a regular basis. I said most professionals, in particular, white collar workers, aren’t paid on a weekly, 7-day basis. Read the article. These writers are splitting those hairs, because for them, there’s a big difference between being paid every 7 days and every 28 days, like most people.
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 7/30/2023, 12:41 PM
Most professions don’t get paid weekly. This a non issue
DocSpock
DocSpock - 7/30/2023, 12:53 PM

@PlusUltra - @marvel72 -

True. Contractors in many fields negotiate a price, then do the work & get paid for it. They generally buy their own insurance & are responsible to do a good job.

If they get a reputation as a sh!tty contractor, they get less jobs. All of the writers want large pay & benefits whether they are any good or not.

Try that crap in the majority of places most of the population works in, and see how that works out for you.

People should be paid based on their job performance & individual worth.



eRex
eRex - 7/30/2023, 1:40 PM
@DocSpock - Agree on most points, though I'll say that professions/professionals aren't paid just on their worth or contribution to the company. They're also paid based on who else can get hired to do the same job.

If someone can write a great script (or direct a great movie, etc.) but someone else can do as good a job and is willing to do it for less money, then they overall pay will reflect that.
RolandD
RolandD - 7/30/2023, 5:00 PM
@PlusUltra - all right, just having a little fun with us and not mad about it. That said, an article that I just read said that most people are paid twice a month with every other week being a common payment method as well and for some once a month. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for scriptwriters to be paid on a regular basis if they are hired staff. Feel free to cite your source that most professionals are paid once a month.
RolandD
RolandD - 7/30/2023, 5:01 PM
@DocSpock - Wow, I didn’t know that all of the writers want large pay and benefits even if they are no good at it. Where did you get that information?
FireandBlood
FireandBlood - 7/30/2023, 5:32 PM
@RolandD - Tbf, I’m from the UK, so maybe it works a little different in the states. But over here, it’s only usually blue collar workers that get paid weekly/bi-weekly, while white collar works get paid on a monthly basis.
RolandD
RolandD - 7/30/2023, 5:38 PM
@PlusUltra - That could be it. Typical American here assuming that everyone else is.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 7/30/2023, 6:01 PM
@RolandD -

You wife and Mom both talk in their sleep.

RolandD
RolandD - 7/30/2023, 10:08 PM
@DocSpock - My mom is dead and I divorced my wife so that was a epic fail.
Deklipz
Deklipz - 7/31/2023, 8:41 AM
@DocSpock - that’s better than his gramma that wakes me up by sucking my toes…
DocSpock
DocSpock - 7/31/2023, 12:28 PM
@Deklipz -

#KinkyGranniesFTW!

Deklipz
Deklipz - 7/31/2023, 2:59 PM
@DocSpock - 😂😂😂
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