EDITORIAL: My Argument For 20th Century Fox's X-MEN In The MCU

EDITORIAL: My Argument For 20th Century Fox's X-MEN In The MCU

With the Marvel Cinematic Universe only expanding, I felt it appropriate to reexamine this age old argument and defend my long-held opinion. Hit the jump for more.

Editorial Opinion
By GliderMan - May 16, 2015 10:05 AM EST
Filed Under: X-Men

If one thing has become evident, it's that Marvel has a plan. They had their entire Phase 3 storyline laid out, and knew what they wanted it to be whether or not the Spider-Man deal went through (thank God it did). But I'm sure they were also worried about their X-Men and Fantastic Four characters, whom I'm sure you know are at 20th Century Fox--and I doubt they're going anywhere anytime soon.

X-Men: First Class and 

X-Men: Days of Future Past are set in the 1960's and 70's respectively, and both were very well received by critics and brought a new wave of fans to the franchise. We can talk all day long about comic book accuracy, but the fact of the matter is these two movies are no more inaccurate than Marvel's own endeavors. And if X-Men: Apocalypse's synopsis and new cast members are anything to go by, it's looking like a real, solid X-Men team is finally being set in place.

Look, guys, I know some of you are X-Men fanatics, and don't think Bryan Singer and co. have done them justice. And I think that's a fair argument. What I'm here to argue is that the X-Men series has in recent years been beautifully entertaining, and with only 2 movies currently in continuity, it is the perfect time to merge with the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Now I'm not saying that this will happen, or that it's even likely to happen. And I'll agree that I don't want the new Fantastic Four movie anywhere near the MCU (based on what I've seen). But recently rumors have arose claiming that the FF are in an alternate realty from the X-Men, and that the crossover movie would be them crossing realities to come together. I don't know about you, but that sounds like trash to me. I think Fox have decided to focus on their own properties, and will not reconsider a deal with Marvel unless Fantastic Four fails. So don't see that movie!
 
Back to my main argument, though--the X-Men. Here I will look at the arguments against including the X-Men series, and then counter argue it myself.

1. The Events of First Class and Days of Future Past Have Never Been Acknowledged

This is another fair argument, but one I feel bears little relevancy. Events don't need to be mentioned for them to have happened. Even Marvel's Daredevil barely mentions The Avengers, and there's only the briefest Easter egg to The Incredible Hulk. As distanced as that show is, it still takes place in the MCU's timeline. First Class' events weren't recognized by the public's eye, so the problem we're really looking at here is Days of Future Past's main battle when Magneto dropped the stadium around the White House. And while that is a huge terrorist attack, it was still 42 years ago. Several Marvel movies take place in New York City, but we don't see them mentioning 9/11 (to my remembrance anyway). This was a terrible act that people wouldn't want to talk about, that happened four decades ago. It's actually no wonder that it wouldn't be spoken of.
 
How come mutants haven't been mentioned then? Well, we all know that Marvel can't use the word without them getting sued, but one personal idea of mine is that the world believes mutants no longer exist after the events of Apocalypse or some other X-movie.
 
Just a thought.

2. Quicksilver

Quicksilver was a character in both Days of Future Past and Age of Ultron, so it sets up a continuity error if they were in the same universe. However, I again see this as little relevancy, and an error that can be easily explained.
 
In DOFP we see Peter Maximoff in 1973, Magneto's long lost son with no worries. In AoU we see Pietro Maximoff, a much more comic book faithful adaption of the character. Pietro's parents died when he was only ten years old. We don't know how old the twins are in the series, but this event must have taken place in the late eighties or early nineties. Now, classically, we'd all want Pietro and Wanda's dad to big daddy Mag himself, but even the comics have recently altered this fact after decades of story.

If these two worlds crossover, it's safe to assume that Peter is Pietro and Wanda's father, or otherwise somehow related. After all, the character's ages set this up perfectly, and the general audience simply wouldn't care. They're not focused on the minor details, and I seriously doubt this would confuse them; it's literally something that can be explained away in one sentence.

3. "I Don't Want the Fox-Men Anywhere Near the MCU!"

Well aren't you just a selfish little rascal! Kidding aside, I'm a firm believer that if you have a problem, you should fix it, not erase it. I've grown attached to Fox's characters, along with millions of other fans. There are comic book nerds just like us who want to see this happen, but there's even more general audience members who want to see this happen. The movies have only gotten better, and have millions of people who are following their storyline. There is no need to reboot it, and at this point, it'd be so easy to make it happen storyline-wise.

4. Aren't the Inhumans Replacing the X-Men?

In the comics, the X-Men AND the Inhumans dealt with unjust prejudice and all of those themes that have been shown in the X-Men films and Agents of SHIELD series. Showing that mutants deal with similar things could actually be something that unifies the superheroes. All across the world, people who have never met go through many of the same hardships. Just because this is fiction doesn't make that fact any less true. It's kind of a "been there, done that" situation that could help the characters come together and propel them further along.

5. Where Were the X-Men During the Battle of New York?

They were at Xavier's School For Gifted Youngsters, protecting their students.

Look everyone, I'm NOT saying that they wouldn't have some explaining to do. I'm saying that everything could be very easily explained at this point.

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RextheKing
RextheKing - 5/16/2015, 12:08 PM
I want the X-Men in the MCU as much as the next guy, but rebooted. I like our current X-Men as they are, separated, and I'd rather not mesh it with the MCU.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 5/16/2015, 12:10 PM
I hope For can conclude their X-Men franchise by the end of phase 3 then sell them back to Marvel just in time for phase 4.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 5/16/2015, 12:10 PM
Fox*
Invictor
Invictor - 5/16/2015, 12:57 PM
No way would this current X-Men film series fit in with Marvel's cinematic universe.
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the - 5/16/2015, 1:15 PM
God, that's convoluted to the point where universe hopping is still the best crossover option.
--I'm already trying my best to accept that AoS is pretty much framing the Inhumans as the X-men. The MCU's general populace, the one that fricking worships superheroes, is unaware of the Inhuman presence as Shield, Hydra, and otherworldly beings act as that apprehensive/fear-mongering conduit. <--Fine as long as that's where it ends.

--It's entirely different in the X-universe because the scope is bigger and the issue has been deeply rooted. In First Class, that anxiety blew up through various government militaries. In DOFP, that fear reached the average person...and now we move back into a majority hating/being afraid of these freaks of nature, while a minority sympathizing with them. It's the X-men's duty to make people believe they can be a force for good, The Brotherhood's to declare war on the human race, Stryker's to declare the opposite, some of those followers flipping between those...and the list goes on.
You can see why the people in that world would be more wary & hysterical than those in the MCU.
---Moving past Social Darwinism and the Civil Rights Era in the MCU was probably no different than our own reality. Fox's Mutant Cinematic Universe? not so much.
RextheKing
RextheKing - 5/16/2015, 1:37 PM
@MexicanSuperman You're right they wouldn't sell, which is why I said hope. It's just a dream, that I don't expect to come true.
528491
528491 - 5/16/2015, 1:38 PM
Another argument you could add to your article would be the requirement to explain away why certain actors have by chance already appeared in both franchises as different characters.

Iron Man 2 for example featured Olivia Munn (Psylocke in Xmen Apocalypse) as a news reporter and Kate Mara (Invisible Woman in Fantastic Four) as the agent who hands Tony Stark a subpoena.

As both of these were minor cameos I'm sure there are fun ways they could be explained away, such as the fun fan theories surrounding the actor who played Daniel Sousa in Agent Carter also appearing as a Policeman in The Avengers, but there could potentially be other casting clashes that might be more problematic (I think the guy who played Samuel Sterns in Incredible Hulk is also in Fantastic Four?)
Fekkius
Fekkius - 5/16/2015, 11:21 PM
I'd rather the Singerverse not be merged with the MCU because the X-Men movies would then have to be dumbed down exponentially.
MrChicken
MrChicken - 5/17/2015, 4:42 AM
Unless the X-Men from Singer's universe travel into the MCU via some inter-dimensional portal...there's no way you could explain it.

Even if the MCU characters never acknowledge the events of DOFP (or the upcoming apocalypse film), that still does NOT explain the fact that not a single character in ANY of the media (film, tv, tie-in comics?) has ever mentioned anything about mutant's EVER. Logically, SHIELD would be keeping tabs on certain mutants, much in the way they keep tabs on certain super-powered people, and it would definitely be brought up within in at least one of the films at least once or twice (there are plenty of opportunities where the discussion might come up). Also, the nature of the MCU films changes when you put mutants into the mix, especially when you realize the significance they had in DOFP within government and stuff like that. Hell, in agents of shield we should be hearing about mutants all the time, after all they are a VERY well known group of people, yet that hasn't happened. If anything, AoS was the nail in the coffin for the idea of mutants in MCU.

Like I said, could be done if X-Men travel through some inter-dimensional portal or some kind (maybe from the FF) but other than that, it's just waaaay too unlikely and would be way too forced.
MrChicken
MrChicken - 5/17/2015, 4:51 AM
Just read the article again, you did mention that perhaps people never mention mutants because they believe they don't exist after events of Apocalypse.

Again, it's highly unlikely that people would believe that. And that brings up the question, how significant are the events of Apocalypse actually gonna be. I mean I imagine that it's gonna be near the level of destruction of 'Battle of New York' which, lets face it, no one's gonna forget any time soon. Yes, people move on, but after Avengers people would be thinking back to events like that. It would bring up a whole host of questions regarding super-powered beings, and the topic of 'mutant kind' would definitely be on the agenda. The fact that no one has ever even acknowledged it, not once, makes it feel way too forced if you were to suddenly put the two in the same universe in that way.


Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 5/17/2015, 9:16 AM
Umm......no. Just no. Leave X-Men at Fox. MCU doesn't really need them anyway. (Still wish Spiderman was staying away from MCU too, at least till Phase 4.)
ClumsyToaster
ClumsyToaster - 5/17/2015, 10:07 AM
This is a really bad idea.
MrChicken
MrChicken - 5/17/2015, 11:49 AM
@GliderMan I can understand you wanting to this to happen. As a fan of both the X-Men and the MCU it's definitely an enticing idea. But I do think you are under-estimating the casual audience a little. I mean I've got a hardcore MCU fan who didn't know that batman was owned by DC and several others who literally don't know the difference between marvel and DC characters to begin with. But then again, that's a very small number of people to judge the rest of the CA on. And people know when somethings been forced into the writing. For example having scarlet witch erasing every single persons knowledge of mutants (for whatever reason) really does come across as forced, regardless of whether or not you're even following these franchises to begin with.

Also, the main highlight of the MCU is that people can watch this Universe slowly build together, piece by piece, film by film, and see how everything is perfectly linked and how each film/event will have a massive impact on other area's of the MCU.

Throwing X-Men in completely ruins all of that, suddenly you're having to explain away massive plot-holes or just ignore them altogether because it would too confusing/convoluted to fix it.

It's like taking away one of the core reasons of why Marvel is so popular with both the hardcore comic fans and the CA, because it's not just a string of movies and sequels...it's a universe.

If they were ever to bring the X-Men into the MCU (like you said, it probably won't happen) I'd prefer it if they went with the 'inter-dimensional travel' method. Simply to preserve all the hard effort Marvel has put into it's franchises over the years. I mean, the Fantastic four movie (which is apparently set in the same universe as X-Men) could set this up perfectly so that it'd make more sense. So there's that I guess.
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 5/17/2015, 2:04 PM
Bravo, I have been saying this since DOFP. The first 3 X-Men and Wolverine films all take place in the not too distant future. It's simple, all those films take place in the MCU but a different reality.

Now most are going to say, where is Stark, Cap, SHIELD, etc.? Simple, Cap was not found in that reality. SHIELD was absorbed into Trask Industries after Mystique killed Trask, SHIELD believed mutants were a serious threat and they became SHIELD's top priority. Hyrda never had a chance to take down SHIELD/Trask Industries because the Sentinel program was too strong to even attempt to take down. This would mean Howard Stark is alive, and he and his son Tony took over all Sentinel projects; creating the new Sentinels that eventually took over.

Now with the events of DOFP the original X-Men/Alternate MCU Reality has been altered. In this reality, current MCU, Fury had a close relationship with Xavier after the White House attack. Fury and Xavier work closely to handle the mutant phenomenon, this is enough to ease Fury's mind to not join forces with Trask Industries; hence keeping SHIELD alive and independent.

I like your idea that perhaps the events of Apocalypse allows for SHIELD and Xavier to lie to the world that the mutant phenomenon has come to an extinction and is no longer a threat.

I really loved this article, glad I am not the only ond to see Fox and Marvel to make a deal like Marvel and Sony did.

I agree not all events need to be mentioned or flashed across the bottom of the screen. SHIELD is great at ensuring the public knows only what it "needs" to know.

Also with the whole Quicksilver issue, we can always introduce cloning and splicing into the MCU.
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 5/17/2015, 2:09 PM
@MrChicken The battle of X-Men Apocalypse can still be huge like the battle of New York, but perhaps it takes place in a remote area of Egypt or South America; depending if they stay in Eygpt, or say En Saba Nur is using a hidden pyramid in South America.
MrChicken
MrChicken - 5/18/2015, 11:21 AM
@GliderMan Fair enough, I can definitely respect that. It's been a pleasure discussing this with you. Also, great article!

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