MUTANT SAGA Rumor Reveals Plans For X-MEN, FANTASTIC FOUR, And The Next AVENGERS Movie After SECRET WARS

MUTANT SAGA Rumor Reveals Plans For X-MEN, FANTASTIC FOUR, And The Next AVENGERS Movie After SECRET WARS

A new rumour claims to lay out Marvel Studios' plan for the Mutant Saga, including what's in store for the X-Men, Fantastic Four, Midnight Sons, and an Avengers vs. X-Men movie! Read on for details...

By JoshWilding - Jan 07, 2025 03:01 PM EST
Filed Under: X-Men

With Kevin Feige dividing his attention between theatrical and streaming releases during the first two Phases of the Multiverse Saga, it's fair to say this era of storytelling has been more hit-or-miss than most would have liked. 

There's still been far more good than bad but several titles have underperformed both critically and commercially. Meanwhile, an apparent lack of direction has frustrated fans (Kang the Conqueror being ditched for Robert Downey Jr.'s Doctor Doom is among the biggest changes we've seen over the past year or two). 

It's widely believed that the Mutant Saga is next for Marvel Studios and it could be what sets this franchise back on the right track alongside the upcoming Avengers movies which precede it, Doomsday and Secret Wars

Today, scooper @MyTimeToShineH brings word on what the Mutant Saga currently looks like. Apparently, we're getting one Earth moving forward with both the Fantastic Four and mutants finally part of it. 

This suggests that Marvel's First Family will make Earth-616 their permanent home after Secret Wars - The Fantastic Four: First Steps takes place in an alternate reality, remember - with mutants similarly calling it home after previously being confined to Earth-10005. 

The Midnight Sons movie is reportedly happening with Mephisto and Lilith as the main villains, while Nova will indeed feature Annihilus. As for the X-Men movies, Mister Sinister is supposedly the big bad of those, something we've long suspected after Fox's efforts focused on Magneto. 

Finally, it's said that the next big Avengers event movie will be Avengers vs. X-Men

It's been widely theorised that the upcoming Doomsday and Secret Wars might pit Earth-616's Mightiest Heroes against Earth-10005 X-Men and, while that may still happen, it seems Marvel Studios is looking to save the concept for this future project (which arguably makes more sense once that new MCU team of mutants is properly established).

As always, we'd advise taking this with a pinch of salt for now but there's an awful lot to be excited about. Hopefully, Marvel Studios will stick to less is more in the Mutant Saga, doing all the characters mentioned above justice in the process. 

"I think you will see that continues in our next few movies with some X-Men players that you might recognize," Feige teased last November. "Right after that, the whole story of Secret Wars really leads us into a new age of mutants and of the X-Men. Again, [it’s] one of those dreams come true. We finally have the X-Men back."

Let us know your thoughts on this news in the comments section.

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thebamf
thebamf - 1/7/2025, 3:43 PM
I'm down for Mr. Sinister.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/7/2025, 3:49 PM
@thebamf - same

Him being the initial big bad is good since it’s a villain the Fox films never used and plus , you can then give Magneto enough space to be used in the future.

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thebamf
thebamf - 1/7/2025, 3:56 PM
@TheVisionary25 - When I look at Sinister, I see Jon Hamm.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/7/2025, 3:57 PM
@thebamf - I would be cool with him too!!.

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HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 1/7/2025, 4:08 PM
@thebamf - May just be the eyeliner but I always saw Richard from LOST
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NonPlayerC
NonPlayerC - 1/7/2025, 4:34 PM
@thebamf - he’d be good, I’d also like to see Luke Evans or Johnathan Rys Meyers
ItsNotForMeWahh
ItsNotForMeWahh - 1/7/2025, 5:00 PM
@HashTagSwagg - It's Batmanuel!!

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Loved him in Psych too
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/7/2025, 5:41 PM
@thebamf @TheVisionary25 - I think Sinister would be a great villain for the first movie. Could see him expose mutants to the world.

For overarching big bad, I prefer Apocalypse. Although Sinister is a very big and obvious stepping stone to that.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/7/2025, 5:47 PM
@bkmeijer1 - you could have it be Sinister which could lead to Apocalypse in the next trilogy

However as you said ,Apocalypse could be the villain of the trilogy with Sinister as the first one with a mid credits scene that reveals En Sabah Nur

Certainly different ways to approach it.
Vigor
Vigor - 1/7/2025, 6:29 PM
@TheVisionary25 @thebamf @@HashTagSwagg -

May i throw wes bentley into the mix?

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HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 1/7/2025, 6:37 PM
@Vigor - Not a bad choice, we all know him as Blackheart but he was also a badass scientist in Underworld 4
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 1/7/2025, 6:52 PM
@Vigor - He may be too old now, but Chris "Big" North could've given Sinister a decent run imo...


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TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/7/2025, 7:15 PM
@Vigor - I like it!!
gambgel
gambgel - 1/7/2025, 8:13 PM
@Vigor - Holly f****, he is PERFECT!!!!!!!! :O

best choice to date hands down
Vigor
Vigor - 1/7/2025, 9:09 PM
@gambgel - thanks. I thought so too !
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/8/2025, 3:50 AM
@TheVisionary25 - I think they van wrap up Sinister, Apocalypse and Phoenix all into the same overarching plot.

I'm not sure how exactly, but I think it would strike a great balance between the vastness of the world with all these powers at play and how small it can be made with Cyclops and Jean caught in the middle.
The1st
The1st - 1/8/2025, 10:29 AM
@thebamf - After going through a few recent X arcs so do I. I also think Karen Gillan would have made a good Jean, but that ship has sailed.
dracula
dracula - 1/7/2025, 3:45 PM
We need Avengers movies at the end of phases again

Seriously we are at the end of a saga starring the next generation of avengers

And they have had little to no interaction

A lot of the emotional moments in endgame would be meaningless if the og avengers didnt have time to actually build bonds
TheIronDuck
TheIronDuck - 1/7/2025, 4:13 PM
@dracula - people asked for less content so they scrapped 2 phases of build and put a rush to an unearned Secret Wars. I hope they're happy they got what they wanted because I know I'm not.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/7/2025, 5:39 PM
@dracula - agreed. The most we've seen the new characters interact in is in an animated show on Disney+. GA have barely seen anything except that Shang-Chi credit scene
MartianManHuntr
MartianManHuntr - 1/7/2025, 3:59 PM
Leave my boy alone Disney. First jean violated him and now Disney is coming too.

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DocSpock
DocSpock - 1/7/2025, 3:46 PM

What everyone expects to happen is now rumored to happen.

Check.
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 1/7/2025, 3:46 PM
MyTimeToCrapWassup
dracula
dracula - 1/7/2025, 3:46 PM
If Avengers VS X Men is true

Simplify things by making it their dark phoenix saga

The X men are trying to help and save Jean

The Avengers are trying to just stop jean
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 1/7/2025, 3:54 PM
@dracula - Phoenix should take a back seat for awhile. They could tie it into Iron man's legacy and mix it with a Terminator/ Skynet type story where you have the X-men trying to stop the government from using Tony tech to build sentinels and this makes them call in the Avengers to deal with them.
ChrisRed
ChrisRed - 1/7/2025, 3:54 PM
@dracula - that could easily work.
I just hope we get 2-3 X-Men movies before that to really establish the characters
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 1/7/2025, 4:09 PM
@dracula - Not saying no to that but do you realy think they would try doing a Jean Grey Dark Phoenix story again after they failed to nail it twice already as part of the first phase of a mutant saga?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/7/2025, 4:23 PM
@dracula - The Phoenix Saga (or The Dark Phoenix Saga) is a much better name than The Mutant Saga.

You might think it's too soon for Phoenix, but it was also too soon for Thanos in Iron Man 1. But then Thanos wasn't in Iron Man 1 and didn't confront the Avengers until Infinity War at the end of the Saga.
Dotanuki
Dotanuki - 1/7/2025, 3:47 PM
I wish someone would do a rundown of MTTS and that other guy’s prognostications in 2023/2024 to see what their batting average is.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/7/2025, 5:38 PM
@Dotanuki - I don't have an exact rundown for you, but from the MarvelStudiosLeaks subreddit I know MTTSH, DanielRPK, Jeff Sneider and CanWeGetSomeToast are considered reliable
Mumbo
Mumbo - 1/7/2025, 3:52 PM
This doesn't read as inside info so much as this is the very obvious direction to go after Secret Wars.

I don't know what my expectation level is for the X-Men reboot but that is by far their most important upcoming movie. More than Avengers I'd argue, in terms of the whole franchisees future. They really need to nail that, wish I still had confidence in them.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 1/7/2025, 3:55 PM
I feel like all these could be true but have also been speculated about or rumored to be the case previously as well so we will see….

Anyway , I can see instead of the FF consciously making the MCU their home that all these Earths are merged into one akin to the Arrowverse COIE thus leading to a soft reboot where it seems like them & mutants have always been there.

This way , Marvel can do their retro futuristic take on FF as something that stands apart from the previous films while eventually then bringing them into the main universe without the baggage of them having to grieve for their home world since that might be too heavy for the franchise.
JayLemle
JayLemle - 1/7/2025, 4:11 PM
The AvX comics run from either '14 or '15 was pretty good. If we get an AvX movie, I hope the creators adapt some of the story from the comics.
WakandaTech
WakandaTech - 1/7/2025, 4:12 PM
After the Multiverse Saga

Marvel should focus on

Mutants and Monsters

ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 1/7/2025, 4:31 PM
I want Annihilation Wave to get its own movie, perfect way for Nova and Star Lord to team up like the comics.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/7/2025, 5:36 PM
@ModHaterSLADE - I think Annihilation should be the Avengers movie that wraps up Phase 7 (with West Coast Avengers wrapping up 8).

X-Men can centre on Earth, while Avengers focus on space. It's a good way to keep the two seperate until their brought together in AvX.
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 1/7/2025, 8:11 PM
@bkmeijer1 - I'd be down for more Cosmic Avengers adventures.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 1/8/2025, 3:53 AM
@ModHaterSLADE - same here. Think Korac would make for a great villain too.
elcapitan
elcapitan - 1/7/2025, 4:32 PM
I hope Sony respects the one universe rule and only develops Spidey movies with Marvel.
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