The Challenge of Superhero TV Shows - Your Opinion Wanted

The Challenge of Superhero TV Shows - Your Opinion Wanted

While superheroes are all the rage on the big screen (although some would argue a bit of oversaturation this summer is hurting the genre), television has proven itself to be another matter and far more difficult a medium to draw an audience to when it comes to these characters. TV Guide offers up some possible explanations.

By EdGross - Jul 05, 2011 05:07 AM EST
Filed Under: Action
Source: TV Guide

Last year saw the failure of NBC's The Cape and ABC's No Ordinary Family, yet the networks seem to remain intrigued by the notion of presenting weekly superheroics. Syfy is taking a shot with Alphas, while FX is shooting the pilot for Powers, ABC Family has The Nine Lives of Chloe King, and ABC is reportedly still excited about the potential for The Hulk and A.K.A. Jessica Jones, which are in development.



There are, according to this article, some key elements that could make the difference between success and failure. As to the Hulk, being produced by Guillermo del Toro, and Jessica Jones, being adapted by Melissa Rosenberg, ABC Entertainment President Paul Lee has explained, "What really distinguishes these are the A-list show runners. We would love to make a Marvel franchise work on the network. They probably won't be the only two Marvel things we do."

On the challenges of creating a successful superhero TV show, Damon Lindelof offers, "It's hard to launch a successful TV show or movie, no matter where it comes from. That goes double for superhero and comic-book adaptations. A superhero is larger than life. You can go and sit in a theater and watch a superhero there, because the movie screen is also larger than life. When you invite them into your living room, they have to be accessible — and that's a very slippery slope, one that Smallville handled masterfully."



Smallville is noted as a show that got it right by making sure that outside of the fact that Clark Kent was an alien with developing superpowers, everything else remained firmly rooted in reality.

FX's Power is an example of that, as noted by the network's VP of original programming, Nick Grad: "It's another way to do a cop show. For a network that did The Shield, how can you possibly top that? You do a different kind of cop show. As [Powers cocreator] Brian Michael Bendis would say, it 'stays on the ground,' both literally and figuratively."

As far as one unnamed producer is concerned, any successful genre show "starts with character, not costume. A well-written show that has a compelling central character, who has had something extraordinary happen to them, will be relatable. And people will watch."

At this point, the floor is yours: what ingredients do you feel are necessary to successfully create a superhero television series?
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siddhant1138
siddhant1138 - 7/5/2011, 5:10 AM
ORIGINALITY
siddhant1138
siddhant1138 - 7/5/2011, 5:14 AM
Most mainstream audiences are now about as familiar with the "superhero origin formula" as hardcore comicbook fans, so something new and fresh is a must.
eDubya72
eDubya72 - 7/5/2011, 5:17 AM
I remember being so excited for the series "Heroes" when it was in it's fledgling state. But then I realized, as time went on, the writers have no idea what they're doing. Here is an idea. Give the characters more depth. One of the faults my favorite super hero show had was they would introduce new characters only to kill them off, with the main characters holding on through the whole thing. The thing about superhero stories is the characters never die. Also, get some realistic dialogue and battles worth fighting for.
VictorHugo
VictorHugo - 7/5/2011, 5:21 AM
I stopped watching "Heroes" due to the ultraviolence, it wasn´t palatable to watch it with my wife a guy shooting glass shards with telekinesis with hurtful bloody results during dinner time.

We loved the Justice League cartoon show, the X-men movies etc, but we ended up watching reruns of 'WONDER WOMAN" instead, the silliness is much more satisfying.

The 1950´s SUPERMAN show is more satisfying or 1980´s Knight Rider.

I guess we had enough of angsty wangstas and gangtas onscreen, we want HEROICS.
Tman
Tman - 7/5/2011, 5:22 AM
Good writing - relatable characters - I enjoyed the first season of Heroes. It went downhill during the writers strike and never really recovered. I actually liked No Ordinary Family.
Shaman
Shaman - 7/5/2011, 5:26 AM
Yeah, i'll echo the consensus. It's all about good writing especially in regards to character development. I still to this day LOVE to watch Lois & Clark because of that very reason. It didn't matter just how campy the villains were, the show was ALL about the develoment of the main characters and the chemistry between them. All four seasons are still awesome to watch, once you get passed the low budget effects.

And just like eDubya72 said, the first season of Heroes was superb. They dropped the ball on the second one and screwed the pooch on the third. The fault wasn't with the show's concept.
Tman
Tman - 7/5/2011, 5:27 AM
Seasons 3-5 of Smallville was really good - the family dynamic - the Clark/Lex relationship. A pivotal part of a good superhero show is a really great multi-layered villain.
Ethic
Ethic - 7/5/2011, 5:42 AM
The reason I'm tiring of superhero related shows is because they all have the same basic premise:
Person gets powers, person tries to live normal life, enter villain.
And it always leads in the same directions.
A main character who hates being "different/a freak"
A secret evil government agency looking to control all the people with powers.
A "cure".

Heroes, No Ordinary Family, The 4400, Smallville etc

They're perfectly fine and rational elements but nevertheless, they've been done to death.
And the second these story lines come up again in whatever show I see next, I'm changing the channel because it's same, same, same.
Also, it's that there's already comics that have identical characters or stories or groups so it's a tired "MORE RELATABLE" version. (I'm sick to death of the phraze)

Know why "Heroes" first season was so successful? Suspense. Mystery.
It had over-arching purpose, the end was in sight and it was a thrilling experience seeing each unique character trying to solve the riddle of the season.
The powers added a spice and flavour that made it even more unique but the show went to shit when it lost purpose, became a weekly show with no distinguishable story-arch (superhuman of the week), and characters were constantly shifting between evil/good/evil/good.

Write a script with an actual story!
Beginning - Middle - End.
Stop milking them dry to the point where ratings fall and fall until cancellation.
ManofSteel23
ManofSteel23 - 7/5/2011, 5:43 AM
I liked no ordinary family,the effects where amazing for a tv show,smallville was awesome because it didnt have superman in it,only the first heroes was good,spiderman would be awesome on tv too
Kurbbsyde
Kurbbsyde - 7/5/2011, 5:51 AM
Every company seems to be trying to latch on to the hero typecast of the moment. I think where The Cape failed was trying to make the guy such a gritty character that it just turned into too much of an attempt at relating him to some popular character and not make him popular for himself. I liked No Ordinary Family as well Tman. I thought they were genuinely trying to expand on their own characters and that counts for a lot. All in all quite trying to make copies of Batman or Wolverine and make your own in depth characters and it would work fine. Much like Hulk TV show, I thought it was good because of the character of David more so than because of Hulk. The was heart in that series.
Kurbbsyde
Kurbbsyde - 7/5/2011, 5:53 AM
@teabag I agree. I enjoy watching Misfits. It is very well written.
08890
08890 - 7/5/2011, 6:05 AM
I'd like to see Rising Stars made into a TV show. JMS has a good reputation for coherence and continuity, which is exactly what shows like Heroes are missing.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 7/5/2011, 6:31 AM
ZeroEthic

"Know why "Heroes" first season was so successful? Suspense. Mystery.
It had over-arching purpose, the end was in sight and it was a thrilling experience seeing each unique character trying to solve the riddle of the season.
The powers added a spice and flavour that made it even more unique but the show went to shit when it lost purpose, became a weekly show with no distinguishable story-arch (superhuman of the week), and characters were constantly shifting between evil/good/evil/good.

Write a script with an actual story!
Beginning - Middle - End.
Stop milking them dry to the point where ratings fall and fall until cancellation."

I agree. A lot of shows really benefit from having that sense of direction. Lost wasn't cancelled, it ended. Unfortunately, it seems unusual for a show to say "We have 3 season story arc and that's all we want to tell." Everyone just seems to want to go on forever. If they could accompish making some kind of superhero ER, CSI, or Law and Order that just goes on with no real story to tell, but finds a loyal fanbase, then great, but telling a set story is quite helpful to making a show good and getting people to like it.
rdoughty1
rdoughty1 - 7/5/2011, 6:32 AM
I agree with beginning, middle, and end to an extent. I think it worked well with LOST, regardless of what you thought of the ending. Did you really want to see LOST Season 20? But back to super-powered TV, the righ creative team is the only thing that keeps viewers coming back. If you want a show to be successful, pay the money for effects that don't look ridiculous, but don't cost so much that the effects are prohibitive. Get a solid writing team, and try your best to keep them. I think the strike definitely killed Heroes. Season 1 was pretty awesome, and it went downhill after that. Set the tone right away with an amazing pilot episode. LOST spent big bucks on their pilot, and it worked. The premise hooked people in. I liked No Ordinary Family too, but audiences today are much more intelligent than they were 25 years ago. That plot was more for grade school viewers. I would have cut Chiklis loose on bad guys right away. He plays a much better hard ass in my opinion. It would have changed the whole dynamic of the show. Make one of the kids go bad right away, or something different. It was the Cosby Show meets the Fantastic Four, which would've worked in 1985. It doesn't work in 2011 though. Those characters had no depth. There was no real threat, or real tension.
patriautism
patriautism - 7/5/2011, 6:36 AM
Think Game of Thrones in modern times , with powers.
If you're dealing with an ensemble cast, then each character should have equal time. The problem with the super hero shows is they focus too much on display of abilities than character drama.
Also there is always a clear good and evil, I think the sides or factions should be questionable, so there are more than just a few characters that people can relate to, and could root for.
This also opens up the story more than if you're dealing with just a core group of good guys.
If you're dealing with 1 or a few core group of main characters rather than an ensemble, then still focus on plot, and characters rather than a constant display of powers, and you will still have a good show.
Wildaniel
Wildaniel - 7/5/2011, 6:37 AM
A WONDER WOMAN TV SHOW WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT!!!
grampageezer
grampageezer - 7/5/2011, 6:45 AM
I enjoyed the 90s Flash series, and also the Crow, starring Marc Dacascos, which was actually better than the last couple of Crow movies.

My all-time favorite as a child though, was the 50s Superman with George Reeves. Cheesy now, but but for that time period it was perfect. I, as well as every kid in America was glued to the TV every Saturday when it aired.
kong
kong - 7/5/2011, 6:56 AM
I loved No Ordinary Family, the effects were great for TV the story line wasn't all just my powers are gone or i can't control my powers, they incorporated the powers of the family into their lives.

With Smallville i liked it because they had their own mythos. I honestly don't know why people hate it like, was it because it wasn't another Lois and Clark, but don't you think it would get boring if you saw a guy in tights flying around for ten seasons. you're not expecting up-up and away, or Superman going into a telephone booth every time someone's in danger. you saw Clark you saw The Blur you saw Super and then you saw Superman. Instead of him just getting on a red blue and yellow costume he developed into the character of Superman and the looks.

All i can say about the cape is that it's a rip off of Batman. I watched one episode only. I hated it. The fighting was bad, it was corny, i didn't like it whatsoever. I watched the one about the train or whatever and when "The Cape" jumps into the train and they slow it down to make it look sweet they didn't start slowing it down in the right time right place or right show. It was corny on so many levels and i'm glad that it's cancelled
Hellsing
Hellsing - 7/5/2011, 6:57 AM
all super hero shows and other shows need to plan out the future properly. I understand that its important that you focus on one series at a time but too many times these shows end up going no where e.g. Smallville at times it felt like they had no idea where they were going. as for Heroes the first season was the best first season of a show I had seen. Season Two failed because well it was shorter and the writers strike [frick]ed it over. Originally season 2 was meant to end with the virus being released on the world which would have stopped the atrocity that was Season 3.

Shows need to map out the future, or atleast have rough outline of where you want to take the show each season.
marvel72
marvel72 - 7/5/2011, 7:05 AM
superhero shows can only work if they've got good writing & massive budgets,that is why stuff like smallville looks & sounds shit because no money was spent on the creative process.

the only heroes i can see working in a tv show are the likes of the punisher,daredevil & batman.stuff that don't need a huge budgets to be good.

superman,the hulk & wonder woman all need huge movie size budgets to work.


GiftedYoungster
GiftedYoungster - 7/5/2011, 7:06 AM
One of the main things that bugs me about all TV really is the money. I hate to be so shallow about it, but I'm sure if the HULK does get off the ground I'm sure it'll suffer from the same VFX problems I think most Sci-Fi shows suffer from.

They'll get some okay B-listers, a paint-by-numbers premise, and then when it's time to see the HULK onscreen it'll look like someone turned on their Playstation 2.
MoonDoggyX
MoonDoggyX - 7/5/2011, 7:10 AM
Beginning... middle... end... Exactly! It worked for Battlestar Galactica. Thats what killed heroes, 4400, etc. Save the cheerleader, save the world... now do it again... and again! All that conspiracy stuff and movie-level drama gets tiresome if it does not end. Its Like watching a 15-20 hour movie. Smallville's format was a little better for tv, It was actually structured more like a comic book.
PirateOpossum
PirateOpossum - 7/5/2011, 7:51 AM
I want the Incredible Hulk to actually get picked up .. I LOVED the old series and the character in general.. one of my favorites.

I loved a lot of the live action comic book serials! The Flash, Birds of Prey, The Incredible Hulk, the old Batman Serials from the 1940s and the 1960s, However .. I hated Smallville. I do think a Batman series would work if done right.. first .. drop the movie ideology, like the military black armor suit... I think that it should look like the one from the Arkham Asylum game.. it is realistic and looks like the one from the comic book. Second.. Follow the direction the most successful animated series follow.
BorisSenna
BorisSenna - 7/5/2011, 7:51 AM
I agree with most of what's been said, so I don't want to repeat it all, but it's all about the writting.

THAT being said, I HATED SMALLVILLE. HATED IT. With a passion. The fact that you had a character as powerful as Clark Kent on the screen, but he couldn't do anything really awesome with his powers drove me nuts.

Anything based on Bendis' "ALIAS" with Jessica Jones or "Powers" properties is golden, because they are shows where, mostly, you can make fun of costumed superheroes and get away with it.

"HULK" is no such propertie. I trust Guillermo a lot more than I trust most movie or tv people, but there's a really important factor folks are forgetting.

The old Hulk tv show is remembered fondly today, but folks forget how formulaic it was. And I'm tired of seeing the Hulk bust down walls and throw people around and lift the family sedan off the ground.

I want to see things done that are at the core of the character's drawing point: Insane feats of strength. I want to see him actually display the power of that made him be known as the strongest there is. It isn't about fighting huge monsters, either. It's about blowing audiences' minds every episode with increasingly awesome stunts, perils and a Hulk that actually kicks a LOT of ass.

That's Ang Lee's real crime, IMO, making the Hulk less attractive to movie audiences. Few superheroes are as suited for the big screen as the green giant.
Fantine
Fantine - 7/5/2011, 8:30 AM
I agree with most of the comments, superhero shows need to follow shows like True Blood and Game of Thrones. They need to stay away from the the thought that children "may be watching" and put in some sex and some real violence. HBO need to do a superhero show, but adapt a comic dont try and be original when there is so much source material out there. I always thought Jonah Hex would have made a great show, like wise with Aquaman and Teen Titans. TV should never adapt huge comics like Superman, Batman, Hulk, Wonder Woman etc as they need the budget and the audience they deserve. Try lesser known, but still known to some, outside comic fans, heroes.
DarkKnight4ever
DarkKnight4ever - 7/5/2011, 8:31 AM
I grew up in the early 60's and could not wait for the weekly Superman TV show. What I remember clearly was watching the somewhat grounded in reality (real thugs and human interest) stories unfold with Clark, Lois, and Jimmy and waiting with great anticipation for the last few minutes when Superman would actually appear. It was a story about the character interraction of the key players. While rewatching the shows does reveal the flaws; the cheesy dialogue and the subpar effects, the story drove the series, not the super powers. The bottom line is characterization and a good story drives TV series that are successful.

While a bit prejudiced because Batman is my guy, I really could see a great series about the Dark Knight grounded in reality being successful. Think of any good crime TV show where the guest stars really drive the story and the lead characters take a back seat until the drama unfolds requiring them to appear. Like my Superman white knuckle waiting in the old TV series, the Batman does not have to come front and center, but looming in the background until the time is right for him to appear. Early on, it could be Bruce Wayne doing some legwork in one of his disguises I loved in earlier comic books investigating, interacting with the bad guys undercover, or doing other detective work. As the shows moves to a climax, The Batman would appear to finish off the drama. No corn, or cheesy dialogue, but making a key dramatic appearance to solve the crime or save the day as needed. While some muscle may then be required, the primary focus would be his deductive skills leading to the final outcome. No need for a lot of special effects. Now, that would be great entertainment
mikesinuman
mikesinuman - 7/5/2011, 8:38 AM
i remember THE MISFITS OF SCIENCE with Courtney Cox and that V-man guy the speedster, and the black guy that turns small when you hit his nape. HEROES, and the incredible hulk, the wonder woman. i remember watching it in our B&W tv with the cabinet type that you can close it after watching. you know what i mean? hahaha
.^_^
GUNSMITH
GUNSMITH - 7/5/2011, 8:49 AM
STORY IS EVERYTHING, DIRECTION IS EVERYTHING, GETTING FULLY INVESTED IN A GOOD CHARACTER OR ENSEMBLE CAST..LOOK AT ALL THE SHOWS THAT LASTED AND FIND OUT WHAT MADE IT WORK.. DO THAT AND I'M SOLD.
comicbookjerk
comicbookjerk - 7/5/2011, 8:51 AM
Aww Ed :( You didnt put up no pictures to look at :(
EdGross
EdGross - 7/5/2011, 9:03 AM
arrionshadow, I have added a couple of photos.
SecretAvenger001
SecretAvenger001 - 7/5/2011, 9:09 AM
They have to have believible characters, a good solid storyline and make people go "WOW! I wish I could do that!" Work a story throughout the season and conclude it at the end without dragging it out or putting the occassional filler episode. Getting a good acting staff is a definite plus, you can make a Batman TV show and if the guy playing Batman is a bad actor it will lose veiwers. Learn from the sucesses and failures of other show. And finally stick to the characters origins if you're going to use an actual superhero. If you're going to get creative and use an original character don't make him all convaluted or hollier than thou. Some personal favorites I think would work for a TV show are as follows...

1. Batman
2. Daredevil
3. Green Arrow
4. Wolverine
5. Nightwing
Just to name a few, most who are normal guys with costumes, superior fighting skills and a few gagets. Take the simple ideas and move forward with an involved story that fans will love.
ComradeGrey
ComradeGrey - 7/5/2011, 9:11 AM
Except 90% of Smallville sucked...
CplAmerica
CplAmerica - 7/5/2011, 9:17 AM
What these cape shows need to do is find themselves in as genre. Batman on TV could be a "superhero" show but that wouldn't work. It would work as a noir/detective series. Heroes was a Sci-fi series. No Ordinary heroes was a family drama. The ability to identify the genre of the medium is what allows the show to set a mood. Be it light hearted or serious. Shows like Walking Dead, Firefly, 24, or Doctor who all set the tone of the show in the trailers... You can't really get a vibe from shows like the Cape and Wonder Woman. How do you take those seriously... Also if they got the writers of 24 to do a Wolverine series... Amazing idea... best one yet.
amxt
amxt - 7/5/2011, 9:24 AM

The Tick!
eatmyhit
eatmyhit - 7/5/2011, 9:37 AM
MisFits should be a blue print on how to do a decent show based on superpowers. But i'm sorry i can't see any good Superhero show coming out of America untill the TV execs take a step back and give sole control to the writers. Untill that day we will have to live with the soapy teenage angst drivel that they seemingly produce.
valeriesghost
valeriesghost - 7/5/2011, 9:38 AM
Constantine would make a great TV show IMO. That's a great anti-hero and i think it would def draw in more then the comic-book fan-boy audience.
CplAmerica
CplAmerica - 7/5/2011, 9:52 AM
@TheGODDAMNSUPERGUY. I don't think that the protagonist has "to be street level". Look at Smallville and the first season of Heroes. The idea is having a show that's about more then powers. I can see what you mean though. When you have all these fantastic powers, it's easier to be a lazy writer. But any hero or anti hero could have a show move or whatever... as long as it's well written, well preformed and well directed.
Rodimus9
Rodimus9 - 7/5/2011, 10:02 AM
It's all about what/who your target audience.

13-40 year old males- lots of action and boobs and halfway decent character development.
Female all ages- love and relationship drama a la 90210
Family audience- good wholesome heroes a la superman, no blood, no sex, no hard violence, tasteful humor, and make sure it deals with issues a parent can discuss with their children.

Obviously the writing and directing and acting have to be good...that's obvious. But I think that tv networks should stick to what they're known for and good at. When NBC started heroes, I new it wouldn't last because the minute it showed success they went on a marketing frenzy to promote it to an even wider audience. SyFy and fx an maybe toon networks should be the only ones doing superhero stuff. Cause IMO, they are the only ones who would do a good job and commt to dOing it right.

Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 7/5/2011, 10:23 AM
I think it's really quite simple: Source Material.

You don't win over fans of the superhero genre by saying "Hey, come watch us rip off your favorite concepts!"

Of course, using an existing concept means you have to put up with the harsh bitching of crazed fans over every decision you make, so there's definitely a down-side too.
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