AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON : Hulk, Black Widow and Civil War

AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON : Hulk, Black Widow and Civil War

Avengers: Age of Ultron trailer was epic to say the least. But, Thor and Hulk's roles still remain a mystery. Come see what my thought process is on Hulk's story and how he will tie into the Civil War story.

Editorial Opinion
By EdgyOutsider - Oct 23, 2014 08:10 PM EST

It would be an understatement actually to say that the first trailer for, Avengers: Age of Ultron was epic. But there are multiple stories shrowded in mystery as it's ultimately a teaser trailer. Everyone will have some sort of personal connection individually to Ultron. It'll really be Cap, 'ol Shellhead, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Ultron and Vision's story though if you ask me. But what of other characters? Hulk, Thor, Hawkeye and Black Widow? Well, I was recently thinking and I think I may have a possible theory on Hulk that'll not only run one possibility into the ground but also, what I've always thought the fate of a solo Hulk film would be.

As we see in the trailer, Bruce Banner is going through hell psychologically. Maybe he once had The Hulk under control and now he no longer does. I  mean come on, when you face a threat of someone like Ultron that your best friend creates, it's going to cause a massive amount of stress. Not to mention someone as powerful as Scarlet Witch coming into the mix. I believe that Bruce Banners journey in the film would be that of, how long can he contain the beast before it loses it for good. Black Widow is his new cruch. She keeps him calm and sane. Without her at this point, if he unwillingly turns into The Hulk, everyone will be screwed.  Tony and Bruce I believe will create the Hulkbuster armor in case Bruce ever loses it for good but, what would bring them to the point of fighting? Well, that's where my full theory comes into play. Tony creates Ultron and Bruce helps him create the Hulkbuster as a safe fail in case he loses it as I mentioned before. I do believe Scarlet Witch does get in Bruce's head but, I believe it's much deeper than that. I still stand by the POSSIBILITY that Black Widow will die. We get to finally know who she is in the film as well as her backstory and Hawkeye's. She will also have a complex relationship with Bruce Banner. I believe that at some point when Bruce is the Hulk, he kills her. YES! I believe that Bruce himself will be the one to kill Black Widow. Why does he fight The Hulkbuster? Well, Scarlet Witch invades his mind and not only makes him relive the guilt of losing Natasha but also, will ultimately blame Tony for the reason she's gone. Cue Hulkbuster fight. 

Now, I'm not going to sit here and speculate how the fight between Hulk and Hulkbuster will go outside of what we've seen and how it will come to a hault. But, there's no denying that Hulk will ultimately be the victor and possibly be the one who nearly kills Tony. Which in turn will cause Tony to side with the government in the superhero registration act, it won't be just Ultron and Tony's guilt over creating the monster Ultron. It'll be him nearly killed by his science bro due to Black Widow's death. Hulk is a monster that no matter how hard anyone tries is never going to be controlled. Ultron and his army be the cause of Civil War? Sure, pretty obvious. But, Hulk isn't going to help matters for reasons stated.  Hulk is said to play a pivitol role in Age of Ultron. Between his already internal struggle, Black Widow's death, Scarlet Witch, Ultron and Tony. He's not going to be shot into space. Hulk will be proof to the government and Tony that superheroes can't be on their own. They should be essentially a police force for the governement. Bruce by the end of this film I believe will have ran away and be on his own with as well as Thor on his own, Steve and Tony going head to head, etc. It'll be a somber note in which this film ends. 

Avengers: Age of Ultron will no doubt be one of the most epic films ever made and could potentionally be the greatest superhero sequel ever made and be among the great sequels in cinema. The Winter Soldier changed the game for the MCU and before Cap 3 really shakes things up, Age of Ultron will bring the MCU to its knees. It's undeniably possible somber end, the team split up, Widow's death and Hulk's role in bringing Civil War and going on his own. While this theory could be a hundred percent wrong in every possible way, it could also be a hundred percent plausible. These are my thoughts. What are yours? Comment below.
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CloudKickerRay
CloudKickerRay - 10/23/2014, 10:28 PM
Dope read. Widow is dying for sure. With no solo outing on the horizon, I believe they'll kill her off because Marvel isn't losing anything by doing so, and they could set her up for a nice redemption/sacrifice play to save the MCU. With the rumblings of Renner in Cap 3 along side Downy Jr., Black Widow seems the likely choice for a trip to the afterlife.
kong
kong - 10/24/2014, 4:05 AM
This is even more reason for him to be shot in to space.
SnapperCarr
SnapperCarr - 10/24/2014, 5:52 AM
@CloudKickerRay "Marvel isn't losing anything by doing so"
If Black Widow dies there will be HUGE backlash due to her being the only prominent female character on the team. While it is still a possibility, I don't know if Marvel will go all the way.

I think Hulk will be shot into be space. Thor will go to Asgard, and Steve and Tony will clash, with Steve forming a black ops Secret Avengers with Falcon and some others like Hawkeye.
PAF
PAF - 10/24/2014, 6:46 AM
Wow good theory. I wonder if Marvel would be down to have Bruce killing one of their own.

I as much as I hate to admit it, I believe it a little more that Black Widow may die but not at the hands of Bruce. I think Ultron would kill her. There's a scene in the trailer where it looks like she is in his lair and she's looking up scared as if she was face to face with him. I hope she doesn't man. I really like her. I know a lot of other people want her to die but I don't.
ruadh
ruadh - 10/24/2014, 8:00 AM
"With the rumblings of Renner in Cap 3 along side Downy Jr., Black Widow seems the likely choice for a trip to the afterlife."

There are just as many rumblings about Widow being in Cap 3.

I say no one on the team dies and still don't get why so many fans are obsessed with killing off characters. Motivational deaths are a tired cliche and it doesn't automatically make the film edgy or mature. It's a crutch, and plenty of tension and defeat can come without killing people. Remember what a bummer Empire Strikes Back was? And how many of the characters were killed off?
ruadh
ruadh - 10/24/2014, 9:56 AM
Also, gotta point out that while there may be a lot of creativity and artistic integrity at Marvel Studios...it is STILL a film studio. And studios are a business, so they need to make money. And this isn't Fox or WB, where they have lots of other options or genres. Marvel ONLY makes movies based on Marvel comics. So they're kinda limited in what they can make money off of. With that in mind, I wouldn't ever expect them to kill any heroes that could potentially turn a major profit in the future. The Winter Soldier is the first movie without RDJ to make that kinda money for the studio, and now there's GOTG as well. But that's why I wouldn't expect Cap to ever really be killed off.

And if you paid attention to how well the film Lucy performed, as I'm sure Marvel did, then it would be a logical conclusion to think a Black Widow solo film is a given. Any character that is a viable property will die for only a matter of moments (like Iron Man has a few times). Otherwise, she's a recognized character that can give the ladies their own "[frick] yeah" moments. Girls want to be her, boys want to be in her. Either way, it's potential box office.

Lastly, let's remember how dark Iron Man 3 looked in the trailers, and a lot of posters on this very site were upset at how light the movie ended up being. Trailers are horrendously misleading, linking scenes that are several minutes apart in the actual movie.
ruadh
ruadh - 10/24/2014, 10:30 AM
Every thing seems predictable when you think you know everything.

So, wait...her contract has been fulfilled, but maybe it hasn't? Basically you don't know, and can't really predict what they will do. Got it. Contracts can be renewed, soooooo...
CloudKickerRay
CloudKickerRay - 10/24/2014, 11:16 AM
Dope read.
sikwon
sikwon - 10/24/2014, 2:55 PM
Dope read. I like the idea of Hulk killing her just cause it would be one of the harshest things they can do but I don't think for a second that they will.
MercwithMouth
MercwithMouth - 10/24/2014, 2:57 PM
Nice theory. Widow's not dying though.

@ruadh

dellamorte has never been right on anything.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 10/24/2014, 4:36 PM
I disagree with everyone who thinks/wants Hulk shot into space. We will never get Planet Hull nor World War Hulk. Makes no sense and quite frankly, him teaming with the Guardians sounds meh. Planet and World War Hulk was so dumb IMO I hate the idea of a film version of that. Also, Hulk I popular now with moviegoers cause they want to see him smash. Why did the previous Hulk films not make back their budget? Cause people want to see him smashing, they can care less about what makes him interesting. Planet Hulk and World War Hulk would be dumb stories cause they're not interesting, Hulk isn't interesting and it caters to what the general movie audience wants.
@Ruadh: I hate Star Wars so, I chose not to remember shit from those movies. Also, my idea of Hulk killing Widow isn't for the sake of killing her but for character and story reasons. Box office wise, her own movie makes sense. BUT, it has to fit within the cinematic universe and unless it's like Cap 1 where it's a prequel that leads into the next movie in the MCU, I don't see it happening. Hulk killing Black Widow for story reasons brings her characters arc to a close, deepens the pain and emotional journey of Bruce Banner, guilt for Tony (reread my theory of ya need reminded) and hell, it gives Hawkeye more depth to the already added layers he's getting in Age of Ultron.
ruadh
ruadh - 10/24/2014, 4:40 PM
...guess we will see in six months.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 10/24/2014, 5:43 PM
@ruadh: I'm obviously not saying it'll happen but, it makes sense to me.

@dethpillow: We're suppose to finally get to know Hawkeye in Age of Ultron and with her death, the impact it'll overall have on him I feel would provide more depth.
ruadh
ruadh - 10/24/2014, 7:27 PM
Again, motivational deaths are a tired cliche. I actually have more faith in Whedon as a writer to give depth beyond making him sad. And Widow has far more to offer beyond creating a reaction for the least developed team member.

And that's fine that it makes sense, you can explain a lot of things with logic. But I don't think they will kill any of these heroes. It's not just that they may put them in their own movie one day, it's also alienating the fans of that character, particularly young ones. Whether all the guys clamoring for her death realize it or not, she does have a following.

Another thing Hollywood learned from your beloved star wars is how the major money isn't even in box office, but the merchandizing. Kill black widow, and you're losing sales on a very popular Halloween costume, etc.
ruadh
ruadh - 10/24/2014, 7:28 PM
And also, hey, I could be wrong. Maybe they will kill everyone. Who knows? But I also just don't get this weird knee jerk that death equals depth and storytelling.
CloudKickerRay
CloudKickerRay - 10/25/2014, 1:09 PM
@SnapperCarr they'd have several disgruntled fans YES, but captain marvel seems to be on the horizon (potentially as with everything) so they could take a chance on some thing brand new. That being, their first female solo outing and a new character introduction. sure i'd take a movie about Widow, but the success of Guardians goes to show fans are, at this point, somewhat open minded to new things..and i really don't think she's gonna make it to phase 3 lol.. just ME tho and just a thought..
Flashy
Flashy - 10/26/2014, 7:56 PM
Um... why would Marvel introduce Pietro only to kill him off? illogical, Quicksilver isn't going anywhere. Marvel would be smart not to kill off the only prominent female superhero on the team..
And we don't need the Rhodey (one of the only prominent black characters) dead either.
MrReese
MrReese - 10/27/2014, 5:55 AM
I say Thor dies & goes 2 Hel/Valhalla & ends up coming back at the end.U get a death scene without really killing off someone.
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