EDITORIAL: Character Deaths in AGE OF ULTRON

EDITORIAL: Character Deaths in AGE OF ULTRON

The touchy subject none of us really like talking about--but you can bet it's on Joss Whedon's mind. Will there be a death in the Avengers sequel, and if so who will it be?

Editorial Opinion
By GliderMan - Jul 29, 2014 10:07 AM EST
The sun is hot in today's Louisiana sky. It's a great summer day; I should be about doing several activities Southern young men like myself like to do--fishing, swimming, riding my 4-wheeler down some country roads. Instead, I'm sitting in my room eating a bowl of Blue Bell homemade vanilla ice cream writing yet another article for your leisure. Just for you, doll.

 
With eleven potential Avengers in next year's Age of Ultron, I think the death of a character has been in the back of everyone's mind. And I think it's a strong possibility that someone will die--when asked about what the theme of the movie would be, director Joss Whedon replied, "Death, death and death."
 
I've thought long and hard about the different options for character deaths, and no, not one of them is Hawkeye. For a character to be killed off, it must serve the overall story, something that will cause the other characters to feel pain as well as the audience to feel pain. It must give the Avengers something to avenge, ala Agent Phil Coulson. I don't think Hawkeye's death would do that; he just hasn't been close to anyone on the team other than Natasha Romanoff, and most of the time he's not an audience member's favorite Avenger.
 
That said, let's take a look at five characters whose death I believe would serve the story best. That's the key here: the death has to help the story.
 
5). Thor
 
 
With two movies left in Chris Hemsworth's contract and a third Thor announced to be in development, I'd say Thor is the least likely to die in my list of five. Although it would show how powerful Ultron is--I mean, damn, how shocked would everybody be if Ultron managed to kill an Asgardian?-- I don't feel like it would motivate them as a team. It would definitely make them desperate and feeling hopeless.
 
Some people have said that Thor could reappear in Hel before making his way back to Asgard, and at first this idea appealed to me. But then again, why would an Asgardian prince worthy to wield Mjolnir go to the realm of Hel? It doesn't make sense. Unless he somehow became unworthy when he died, which I don't feel would fit the development of the character.
 
The reason I did list him is because there is the rumor that the events of this film will cause Asgard and Midgard to be on brink of war with each other. It's easy to see how the citizens of Asgard would blame Stark/the Avengers for the death of Thor (they're probably already upset that he chose to stay on Earth). Over all, not likely, but you gotta admit it would be amazing to see.
 
4). Iron Man

 
This one isn't very likely, either, as RDJ is contracted to return for the Avengers 3 and he is the number one face of Marvel these days. However, it makes sense. With Tony Stark, you either outright love him or you hate to love him. Easily the most likeable character. With him being the creator of Ultron, Iron Man bots flying everywhere, his A.I. J.A.R.V.I.S. becoming its own hero, and his best friend making an appearance as well.. it seems like this will be a Tony Stark-centric movie. I'm calling it right now--people will say the movie has too much Iron Man.
 
I'm personally scared that Thor won't be getting enough character moments this go round. So what better way to allow all the characters to gel as the Avengers, without having Stark overshadowing them then for him to be gone entirely? For Ultron to kill his creator, by accident or on purpose, and the group of the Avengers comes together to avenge the one who started it all? 
 
Not only that, but Robert Downey Jr. said a couple weeks ago that he had "wrapped up the Age of Ultron gig." Many people theorized that his character could have been killed. While it doesn't necessarily mean that--hell, it doesn't even mean he's done filming everything for the movie--it would add up. And it would surprise the hell out of people, that's for sure.

Again, not that likely, but I think this is a death that would make sense story-wise.
 
3). Black Widow


 
The first time we met Natasha Romanoff, in Iron Man 2, she was working undercover for S.H.I.E.L.D., struggling to get along with Tony and Pepper. In the Avengers, she not only fought with the entire team but it was established that her and Hawkeye are basically best friends. In The Winter Soldier, she became pretty close with Captain America--let's face it, that was a flirtationship. And in Age of Ultron, she's supposedly dating Bruce Banner.

Not only these things, but she also is a fan favorite... though not exactly franchise potential. Oh, I'm sure she could hold a movie of her own, but she isn't Captain America or Thor, and that's the kind of heroes that Marvel is focused on right now.
 
Her death would leave scars for everyone on the team, some maybe even carrying over to various Phase 3 films. I think more than any other Avenger it would give the team as a whole the most determination to beat that bastard Ultron, as well as setting up a perhaps uneasy Cap's Kooky Quartet (Captain America, Hawkeye, Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch), which I'd love to see at some point during the film. She's had her time to shine, and the roster needs to rotate. Let's let her go.
 

2). Peggy Carter


 
Like I said earlier, I'm a little scared this movie will be too Stark-centric--for this movie to be about the Avengers, there needs to be dynamic and events going on with the Avengers. And I'm sure we'll be getting that--Hulk, Hawkeye and Black Widow are said to have key roles, along with the brother-sister dynamic of Wanda and Pietro--I'm just worried we won't be getting enough of that. Anyway, I think a great way to get Captain America focused on killing this bastard is for his "first girl" to kick the bucket. There are numerous ways this could happen, and we already know there is some sort of flashback sequence involving the two of them (and Vision). Some folks on this web site have theorized it could be Vision or Wanda letting them have their dance together specifically before she dies, and I think that would be a sweet, tender moment that  Cap should have.
 

1). War Machine


 
Out of my five candidates, I think this one is the likeliest. It really seems like this movie is going to be very "Iron Man and the Avengers," and having Tony Stark's good-son-gone-bad killing Uncle Rhodey would definitely strike Stark to his core. He's also a fan favorite, noted as being Iron Man's sidekick, and he is said to have an "integral role" in the film. Don Cheadle wasn't present with the Avengers cast at the SDCC, and War Machine wasn't present in the concept art poster released at SDCC, so I think he'll killed fairly early on, in order to make Stark absolutely desperate.
 
Welp, that's my article, guys. Are any of my candidates likely? Should anyone die at all, even if the theme is "death, death and death"? Let me know what you think in the comment section below!
 
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yossarian
yossarian - 7/29/2014, 10:56 AM
I hope they kill Hawkeye.
Pasto
Pasto - 7/29/2014, 10:57 AM
You ancient bitch!
kinghulk
kinghulk - 7/29/2014, 10:59 AM
make it look like ultron killed thor like in EMH, but then have it revealed the enchantress saved him. they could kill vision then bring him back by repairing his body maybe?
JillyMcBeam
JillyMcBeam - 7/29/2014, 10:59 AM
I bet it will be someone big. Someone no one expected. I could see Marvel doing something like that.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 7/29/2014, 11:01 AM
kill jane foster, most people here dont seem to like her anyway, then have thor rush into battle angry and die.
NightWatcher
NightWatcher - 7/29/2014, 11:01 AM
If they kill any of these people (except Peggy). I will be disappointed.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 7/29/2014, 11:01 AM
Doesn't anyone besides me want Jane Foster to be killed in this movie?
Alphadog
Alphadog - 7/29/2014, 11:02 AM
@kinghulk I'm glad that you agree with me.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 7/29/2014, 11:02 AM
Except for the Thor part. I think he should live.
NightWatcher
NightWatcher - 7/29/2014, 11:04 AM
@Alphadog

Once Darcy Says Mjölnir right, then they can kill her.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 7/29/2014, 11:06 AM
I know that you probably want him to go to Hel (lol) and come back in his movie but my idea for Thor 3 is much better if only Jane dies. One of the things that I wanted to explore is that after she dies he has to confront this issue which is if the only reason he came here was Jane. At the beginning of Thor 3 he's still on earth after a year or so but he can't escape the fact that he doesn't want to be here anymore.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 7/29/2014, 11:06 AM
alphadog- well he wont really die we just think he's dead.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 7/29/2014, 11:08 AM
Hel still has a part in the story though. You see, Loki has closed all the portals for him and now the only way for him to go to the other realms is to go to Hel. I'm not sure how it would go but I don't think he would die.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 7/29/2014, 11:09 AM
@kinghulk But that whole dynamic about him caring about earth is lost if you do that and it's a great them for him to explore.
Alphadog
Alphadog - 7/29/2014, 11:10 AM
Plus it makes you care about Jane a little because it emphasizes her giving him a connection to earth.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 7/29/2014, 11:16 AM
alphadog- is it? just because jane is gone doesent mean he cant still care about earth his adopted home. he has friends here and i dont think he would abandon them just because jane died.
CherryBomb
CherryBomb - 7/29/2014, 11:24 AM
Hawkeye will die and Scarlet Witch will transfer his mind and consciousness into Vision.
I'm calling it now.

We've seen a solo scene with Hawkeye, Wanda and Quicksilver being filmed.
So why not!
Alphadog
Alphadog - 7/29/2014, 11:46 AM
@kinghulk Like I said, it's an argument that he's facing. He's debating it in himself. Obviously you have found the conclusion that he would reach in the movie.
ruadh
ruadh - 7/29/2014, 11:47 AM
I think its really interesting how people insist on having heroes be killed off, even when they know said hero will be resurrected. Not everything has to be Serenity.

I don't know character deaths, but most of them will be brought back. Fury in Winter Soldier was believable as someone they might actually kill for real. But he and Coulson have both now made death have a lot less finality. So, Cap, Thor, Tony, etc...contracts be damned, if any of them die, I won't believe it. Evans can renegotiate, and you have to believe after winter soldier's box office that marvel will try for it. So, I don't care how many movies they have left on heir current contract. Downey sounds poised for his next renegotiation.

Meanwhile, these are heroes with a significant amount of kids in the audience. I just don't see a big name hero, and I count Widow among them, being killed off. Imagine how all the little girls in the audience will feel to watch Widow get snuffed out.

Its just this weird thing I don't understand. I saw one guy comment on a star wars article that he wants to see the millennium falcon blow up in episode vii. Why? Why the obsession with killing off these beloved characters and things?
Alphadog
Alphadog - 7/29/2014, 11:49 AM
@ruadh But how about their loved ones?
ruadh
ruadh - 7/29/2014, 11:55 AM
That is more believable. Its been a staple to have the girlfriend, the brother, or the favorite second cousin be killed and push the hero to take action. And probably my not be faked or resurrected, though both fury and Coulson fall into this category.
Spideysense44
Spideysense44 - 7/29/2014, 12:07 PM
Its ashame I live in Louisiana and I haven't gone fishing in years. I think Hawkeye will die in this film. I think they will also make it look like Ultron kills Thor like in EMH.
kong
kong - 7/29/2014, 12:19 PM
I never thought of Peggy dying, but that would actually be really cool.

Kill Jane Foster, Pepper Potts, and Betty Brant too. Just get rid of all the bitches. Then we have Thor and Sif, Bachelor Tony, and Hulk can hook up with that girl on Sakaar and have his son.
ruadh
ruadh - 7/29/2014, 1:20 PM
You may be on to something. I doubt this is true across the board but I imagine some examples of this are young people hitting heir later teens and thinking deaths in these movies makes them less kiddy, and thus it's okay to like them or something.
SnapperCarr
SnapperCarr - 7/29/2014, 1:37 PM
I hope War Machine doesn't die. He's been severely underutilized in the MCU (the end fight scene in Iron Man 2 was kickass) and it would suck if he was taken out.

I think Quicksilver could die giving reason for Scarlet Witch to go batshit crazy and Vision to be protective of her.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 7/29/2014, 2:37 PM
I've heard pretty confident reports that Rhodey is basically in one scene in the entire movie, and that scene is the party scene. But whether that's just the extent of his cameo in this movie, or maybe a ramshackle Mark I Ultron inflicts his first major casualty in that scene...who knows?

I'd hate the cliche of the black guy getting killed off first in a movie, but it seems the most likely out of all these choices, aside from Peggy (which I hadn't even thought of. Interesting!). Thor ain't dying anytime soon, I have a feeling Tony will kick the bucket in Avengers 3, and it'd be the biggest waste to kill of Natasha so soon.
Klone
Klone - 7/29/2014, 2:42 PM
Kill Hawkeye. He [frick]ing sucks in the films, not the mention his costume is laughable and he's a stain on all the posters.
Marty
Marty - 7/29/2014, 3:15 PM
I hope it's not Peggy Carter, because she is the most badass female character in the MCU. ScarJo can't act, and I don't think people are invested in her character to make a big enough impact, esp since she won't be able to act her death scene in an emotional interesting way. My guess is on Rhodey.
sikwon
sikwon - 7/29/2014, 3:26 PM
Rhodey and Pepper I think both get it for sure. Why? Well we saw Tony in IM 3 struggle with PTSD, Peppers death pushes him to Demon in a Bottle for IM4. Also you have to think Ultrons initial target will be Tony and those he cares about. I'm looking for Stark to be useless till the 3rd act. Here's another thing... If Any Man is set in the past then Hank Pym (old Pym) can play a part. I'm just saying that's a possibility.
BlakeUsmcVet
BlakeUsmcVet - 7/29/2014, 10:10 PM
Well after the Iron Patriot in IM3, I can see them killing off Rhodey.
CapitanAmerika2
CapitanAmerika2 - 7/29/2014, 10:39 PM
Klone should be an extra who is killed by Ultron just for saying that heresy. I think either Tony Stark, War Machine, or Pepper Potts should die. Tony Stark should suffer like Hank Pym suffered after he created Ultron.
BlakeUsmcVet
BlakeUsmcVet - 7/29/2014, 10:48 PM
Tony will probably suffer and hopefully it will give us the Demon in a Bottle storyline for IM4. But it will be a Disney movie and I doubt they will go that far with it, at most it will be like in IM2 birthday party.
NitPicker
NitPicker - 7/30/2014, 1:05 AM
@ruadh

I really don't understand people's obsession with death. Especially with these types of characters. You just don't kill these types of characters. There is always a cool story that could be told with them. And that's why the characters never stay dead in the comics.

Imagine if every character that died in a comic stayed dead. There would be no Steve Rogers, Thor, Hawkeye, Vision, Fantastic Four, Xavier, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Superman, etc. There would be no Winter Soldier and we wouldn't have the comic or a movie based on the comic.
NitPicker
NitPicker - 7/30/2014, 1:22 AM
I think a lot of people on this site don't actually read the comics or understand what goes on with the characters. And that's why you see people post comments like "They should end the Thor trilogy with Ragnarok".

First of all, they didn't really give a whole lot of detail on Asgard or the other realms, so how could that story be interesting at this point? Second, when it comes to movies, people can't seem to count past the number 3. I don't think Marvel is making trilogies. Their movies are modeled after the comics. They don't stop writing stories for these characters when the reach the number 3. Marvel has plans until 2021. I don't see why they wouldn't make Iron Man 4 or Thor 4.
AmazingSpiderFan2
AmazingSpiderFan2 - 7/30/2014, 3:31 AM
@NitPicker

I agree with your point of making more than trilogies. Notice how there hasn't been a number attached to a movie since Iron Man 3:

Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Avengers: Age of Ultron

They just get a subtitle rather than sticking a number 2 on then end because it's just another story to tell and not necessarily part of a trilogy.
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