"We're [Telling] A Beginning Story": Russos Reveal How AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY, SECRET WARS Differ From ENDGAME

"We're [Telling] A Beginning Story": Russos Reveal How AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY, SECRET WARS Differ From ENDGAME

Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars directors Joe and Anthony Russo reveal how those movies differ from Avengers: Endgame, describing them as a "beginning" for the MCU rather than an ending...

By JoshWilding - Mar 16, 2025 11:03 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Doomsday

The Multiverse Saga has been a rather chaotic ride, with movies and TV shows of varying quality and a little less cohesiveness than fans became used to during the Infinity Saga. 

While there have been some minor missteps, the likes of Loki and Deadpool & Wolverine have highlighted the Multiverse's potential. Now, the hope is that the Russo Brothers can give this era of storytelling a fitting send-off with Avengers: Doomsday and Avengers: Secret Wars.

The filmmakers have delivered four critical and commercial hits for Marvel Studios with Captain America: The Winter Soldier, Captain America: Civil War, Avengers: Infinity War, and Avengers: Endgame.

So, the two-part Multiverse Saga finale is in safe hands...except they might not be a finale. 

During a recent interview, Joe Russo explained what brought him and Anthony back to the MCU. "What's compelling about these two new Avengers movies is they're a beginning," he revealed. "It's a new beginning. We told an ending story, now we're going to tell a beginning story."

That's quite the revelation but lines up with what we've heard about Avengers: Secret Wars softly rebooting the MCU and creating a new Sacred Timeline the Avengers, Fantastic Four, and X-Men all call home. 

As for what their Marvel Studios future looks like beyond that, Joe said, "Who knows where we'll go from there? Maybe it will be another five years. I think we just needed that time and perspective to figure out where it needed to go next and the only thing that brought us back was the right story."

2015's Secret Wars ended with the creation of a (slightly) overhauled Marvel Universe; it stopped short of a full-blown reboot but did away with the original Ultimate Universe and brought Miles Morales to Earth-616 where he's since served as Spider-Man alongside Peter Parker. 

With that in mind, you can likely see how the upcoming movie will allow Marvel Studios to create a new MCU inhabited by the three superhero teams (without having to explain where they've been all this time). Some key roles may also be recast, especially as the response to legacy versions has been mixed.

Talking about their inspiration for the upcoming movies in another recent interview, Joe said, "Well, we always create our own version of the story. So, we use the comics as loose inspiration."

"But, you know, I grew up on the original run," he continued. "That's something that got me into Marvel comic books. The Hickman run is also fantastic [and they're] very different from each other in a lot of ways, so we'll draw inspiration from both of them."

Avengers: Doomsday is set to be released in May 2026, with Avengers: Secret Wars scheduled to arrive in May 2027. 

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Wahhvacado
Wahhvacado - 3/16/2025, 11:22 AM
It's the beginning because Phase 4 went nowhere
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/16/2025, 11:44 AM
@Wahhvacado - Phase 4-6 is the stuff between the ending and the beginning. Filler you might say.
Matchesz
Matchesz - 3/16/2025, 12:01 PM
@ObserverIO - filler is a professional way of saying nobody had any good ideas
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/16/2025, 12:17 PM
@Matchesz - Stan Lee had plenty. Pity they killed em all off.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 3/16/2025, 2:46 PM
@Wahhvacado -
They will market it as the beginning because it's leading into a full reboot.
Batmandalorian
Batmandalorian - 3/16/2025, 11:25 AM
Everyone who enjoys comic book movies should be rooting for this movie to succeed . Because if doesn't I believe it will be the end of the MCU.
Nonameforme
Nonameforme - 3/16/2025, 11:30 AM
@Batmandalorian - good. If they're making garbage they deserve to end.
JustAWaffle
JustAWaffle - 3/16/2025, 11:30 AM
@Batmandalorian - I'm hoping it does. But if it has to end it has to end. It's just sad that it would be ending with an indifferent audience than a solid ending to the whole story.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 3/16/2025, 11:43 AM
@Batmandalorian - oh well. Convince people to do the same for Batman and I will
bobevanz
bobevanz - 3/16/2025, 11:43 AM
@bobevanz - I mean Superman!
supermanrex
supermanrex - 3/16/2025, 11:43 AM
@Batmandalorian - not even close man. one there is no way in hell these movies fail. NO WAY. secondly even if they do fail, Disney is not going to pass up on xmen franchise and mutant saga to get their money back and right the ship.
we are getting the mutant saga no matter what. they didnt acquire fox to just shelve the characters because fans were pissy at secret wars.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 3/16/2025, 11:45 AM
@Batmandalorian - nah. If Feige botches the Xmen then we can begin signaling the alarms. That being said, I am concerned about Michael Leslie being the guy Feige chose to write Xmen. I don't get not going for the best possible talent to make Xmen special.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/16/2025, 11:47 AM
@Batmandalorian - You're saying if it doesn't succeed it'll be the end of the MCU. I'm saying if it's the end of the MCU it'll succeed.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/16/2025, 11:47 AM
Either way a reboot directly afterwards will help.
RolandD
RolandD - 3/16/2025, 12:01 PM
@Batmandalorian - True fans should be rooting for all reasonable efforts at CBMs and shows to succeed IMHO. It never ceases to amaze me the people on this site that route for failure. Of course I know reasonable efforts is based on opinion. For the most part, I have not rooted for Sony‘s efforts outside of Spider-Man movies because they really have looks like cash grabs with no love for the source material. On the other hand, I haven’t rooted for them to fail either.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 3/16/2025, 2:51 PM
@Batmandalorian -
A full reboot is needed. It'll have been nearly 20 years of story telling by the time we get to Secret Wars, over 400+ hours of media if anyone ever decides to do a re-watch of MCU content and likely near 100+ hours for the films alone.
SpideyPuffsMJ
SpideyPuffsMJ - 3/16/2025, 11:44 AM
Concerning MCU trend post-Endgame where they depend on old ideas to stay afloat. No Way Home had to bring back Tobey’s villain’s to give Tom a green goblin and Doc Ock. Daredevil is so far coasting off the success of the Netflix show. And now we’re bringing back Downey and probably every actor from every non-MCU marvel film for these two movies. Idk, this phase is turning into Star Wars nostalgia bait where the universe is actually feeling smaller the more familiar faces you throw in
McMurdo
McMurdo - 3/16/2025, 11:46 AM
@SpideyPuffsMJ - don't forget DPvWolvie was essentially a Foxmen film.
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 3/16/2025, 2:36 PM
@SpideyPuffsMJ - How is Daredevil coasting? We've only had 3 episodes and they're pretty good.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 3/16/2025, 11:44 AM
Well it looks like there will be an actual reboot. Don't [frick] up the mutants, they will... who am I kidding
slickrickdesigns
slickrickdesigns - 3/16/2025, 11:53 AM
It’s actually an Adam and Eve story. Called Tony and Wanda… they’ll both be nude in the directors cut.
S8R8M
S8R8M - 3/16/2025, 12:02 PM
I had a feeling it will be similar to Infinity War but more depth to the villain.
XelCorp
XelCorp - 3/16/2025, 12:05 PM
My 3 part vision:

Doomsday= Natural disaster movie due to some multiverse convergence shenanigans.

Secret Wars= Battle world

Kingdom of Doom/Latveria= Battle world completely conquered and “civilized” by Doom. (by this point we get full fledged doom fleshed out over 3 movies.

SOMETHING along those lines….

Also I bet doom doesn’t begin actually looking like doom until he gets to battle world and Puts something advanced together out of some lost “medieval scraps” ;)
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 3/16/2025, 12:11 PM
@XelCorp - Interesting though I personally think Doom will be that armored character from the onset honestly with Doomsday being him as the main character as we understand his motivations & perspective.
XelCorp
XelCorp - 3/16/2025, 12:20 PM
@TheVisionary25 - I for sure think he will have something on him which will explain how he is able to cross into the 616 to intercept “the problem” (Also containing combative features for purposes that are later revealed)… But what I would envision is they spend time rlly building up that tension with Doom while having the first movie primarily be Dynamic building between him and Reed while the avengers are trying to save as many people as they can globally from the “Doomsday”. Wakanda is Noah’s ark and There will be some disagreement between doom and the others or some ulterior motive exposed which leads to a confrontation. I envision him as a very intellectual and cunning villain who is still vulnerable but becomes a lot more deadly as time progresses and because of shifting circumstances
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 3/16/2025, 12:22 PM
@XelCorp - that could be fun

I just hope this Doom is from the same universe as the FF since there will already be history there instead of having to create a random dynamic with a Reed & Doom that don’t know each other
ModHaterSLADE
ModHaterSLADE - 3/16/2025, 12:19 PM
The previous phase felt like a warmup for this one. Looking forward to it.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 3/16/2025, 1:26 PM
Makes sense and certainly lends credence to the theory/idea that the MCU will be softly rebooted by the end of SW where the likes of the FF and mutants will be integrated into that universe as they have always been there which I’m cool with tbh.

I don’t see any recasts happening though so if anyone is expecting a new Tony , Nat or Steve then I think you’ll keep on waiting.
ToldYaSo
ToldYaSo - 3/16/2025, 3:33 PM
"So, the two-part Multiverse Saga finale is in safe hands...except they might not be a finale."
Please dear GOD can we abandon the "Multiverse" deal? Used occasionally it would have been interesting, but the scriptwriters, studios, et. al have been using it like a drunk uses a lamp post...for support instead of illumination.
Sure, it makes it easier to recast any particular character (Looking at you RDJ), but the whole infinite plot armor thing is played out.

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