AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Directors Explain Those Shocking Black Panther And Spider-Man Moments

AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Directors Explain Those Shocking Black Panther And Spider-Man Moments

Joe and Anthony Russo talk here about Black Panther and Spider-Man's respective story arcs in Avengers: Infinity War and drop some hints about where things could go next. Needless to say, Spoilers follow.

By JoshWilding - May 09, 2018 01:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Infinity War
Source: Uproxx
After Thanos snapped his fingers in Avengers: Infinity War, we were forced to watch the demise of fan-favourite characters like Groot, The Falcon, Bucky, Star-Lord, Drax, Spider-Man, and Black Panther. Every single one of those deaths hurt but the latter two were perhaps the hardest to bear as a tearful Peter Parker died in Iron Man's arms and T'Challa turned to dust in front of a clearly horrified Okoye. 

During a recent interview, Joe and Anthony Russo were asked if they were aware that killing Spider-Man would probably make children cry to which Joe replied, "Well, you know, I cried during The Empire Strikes Back. I think there’s a power in narrative and The Empire Strikes Back was one of the more impactful movies when I was in a child. I think I was ten. I didn’t cry but I remember being horrified, but I was five." Anthony elaborated on that by directly addressing the harrowing scene:

 
"[The] moment really expanded with Robert Downey Jr. Ever since we introduced the new Spider-Man in Civil War, Robert has been a very active mentor to him. And not just outside, but in the moment and in the scene while acting. Robert is one of the most remarkable performers on the planet and he makes everyone around him better and he brings everybody up. So, when Robert is tuned in to what you’re doing and, on a performance level, he wants to help feed you and pull you. He can do remarkable things. And he will dance with Tom on a performance level that is amazing and that was one example of it. He’s a very giving performer and he really helped us find that moment with Tom."

As for Black Panther's shocking demise, Anthony teased the fallout from the King of Wakanda's disappearance. "[Laughs] Hey, you know, it’s part of the storytelling from Black Panther. There are ways to establish a new Black Panther. Do you want to see a fight between Okoye and Shuri?" That appears to be a joke but it would definitely be pretty cool to see Shuri suit up in Avengers 4!
 
"What I love about that moment, Okoye, just the mission of that character to be the King’s protector and she takes that job very seriously," he adds. "And for him to evaporate in her arms…and the way she reacted to that was riveting and we couldn’t cut away from it." What did you think of these death scenes in Avengers: Infinity War? Be sure to let us know your thoughts on these remarks down below.
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originalheretic
originalheretic - 5/9/2018, 1:34 AM
Ugh, can't they just drop the act of pretending that all those characters are gone for good?
CaptainElrond
CaptainElrond - 5/9/2018, 1:39 AM
@originalheretic - Did they say that? all the said was how the actors reacted to there deaths.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 5/9/2018, 1:57 AM
@originalheretic - Suddenly everyone wants to diminish the impact of these deaths after years of saying Marvel would never kill their heroes on screen, because Disney and kiddie movies or something.

They died, and the movie ended with them dying. Let's leave it at that.
CaptainElrond
CaptainElrond - 5/9/2018, 2:02 AM
@BlindWedjat - Dead? yes...but the journey does not end here.



One which we all must take.
originalheretic
originalheretic - 5/9/2018, 2:11 AM
@BlindWedjat - It's not at all about diminishing them. It's about using common sense. Sequels have already been greenlit.
If Marvel suddenly backtracks and cancels all those sequels and it was all a big ruse, THEN I'll believe that all these deaths are permanent.
And I'll applaud Marvel for very effectively fooling everyone.
Rybaman
Rybaman - 5/9/2018, 2:25 AM
@originalheretic - if you’d ever read the Infinity War comic or had any idea about it, you would know that Thanos blinks out half of existence and then that event is eventually reversed. This film was never about killing characters permanently it was about adapting an infinity war storyline and they achieved that. Wait till Avengers 4 if you want permanent deaths.
originalheretic
originalheretic - 5/9/2018, 2:31 AM
@Rybaman - Exactly. As @autobot pointed out above, there was another article where the writers insist that the deaths in this movie are all permanent.

JonC
JonC - 5/9/2018, 3:11 AM
@originalheretic - black panther is just a role within the kingdom and yes someone else could take his place.
JonC
JonC - 5/9/2018, 3:12 AM
@originalheretic - have u ever seen anyone die in a comic and then come back, why should a movie be any different?
JonC
JonC - 5/9/2018, 3:15 AM
@autobot - and its true, the deaths are actual deaths and not loki necessarily faking it on screen. but, with the power of the stones and time, even deaths can be undone. does that mean the death was not real to begin with, no!
OmegaDaGrodd
OmegaDaGrodd - 5/9/2018, 4:16 AM
@Rybaman - It shocks me how many people complain about characters coming back as if that didn't happen exactly that way in the comic. I don't think many realize how early into the comic the snappenning happens and how much that story dips off into completely different tangents for the majority of it's run time.
MarvelDCAllDay
MarvelDCAllDay - 5/9/2018, 5:29 AM
@BlindWedjat - There is no impact they died in a no graphic or relatable fashion and they'll all be back. Spider-Man got a reaction ONLY because no one likes to see a kid cry. And everyone knows they filmed a part 2(we all know that's what it is no one is that stupid). It's the same reason why we say Supes death was lame.

None of it matters.
ShimmyShimmyYA
ShimmyShimmyYA - 5/9/2018, 7:34 AM
@MarvelDCAllDay - you all realize we’re a small group of people when it comes to watching these movies? The GA, who they’re talking to when they say deaths are real, doesn’t know what the hell a phase is or that There’s sequels already announced a lot people i know genuinely didn’t know there was a part 2 until I told them these movies aren’t made exclusively for us gotta realize that
MyBeard
MyBeard - 5/9/2018, 8:29 AM
@MarvelDCAllDay - It was clear that Supes wouldn't stay dead, but that wasn't the reason his death was lame. What made it ridiculous to me was that it was unnecessary (Why didn't Wonder Woman drive that spear through Doomsday?) and that there wasn't a strong connection to the character built up yet. Not because Supes didn't get screen time, but because he just wasn't all that likeable to many people.

Those things didn't apply to Spider-man's death, or Black Panther's for that matter.


MarvelnDCLover
MarvelnDCLover - 5/9/2018, 1:35 AM
1st. Infinity War directors sure feel like they got a lot of explainingggggggg to do.
MarvelnDCLover
MarvelnDCLover - 5/9/2018, 1:35 AM
@MarvelnDCLover - 2nd. Fail.
TanukiTrooper
TanukiTrooper - 5/9/2018, 1:49 AM
They are not dead. They were saved to the cloud.
JonC
JonC - 5/9/2018, 3:13 AM
@TanukiTrooper - the 'cloud' is known as being highly susceptible to attack...
TRexx21
TRexx21 - 5/9/2018, 2:03 PM
@TanukiTrooper - THE SOOOOOOUUUULLLLLLLL CLOUD!
RageDriver2401
RageDriver2401 - 5/9/2018, 2:47 AM
I like that they don't actually have to explain what they did in the movie, but why they choose to do it & why it worked for them, unlike certain other directors (you know who I'm talking about) who feel the need to explain what's actually happening in every other scene.
MinoMininni
MinoMininni - 5/9/2018, 3:22 AM
The movie starts with Tony wanting a son (named after the psycho-cousin, but still), and it ends with Tony losing the one person he has closest to a son to him, and he will obviously blame himself for it. Wow, quite a great first parenting day.
Matador
Matador - 5/9/2018, 4:44 AM
@MinoMininni - You can't blame Tony on this one the dumb teenager didn't listen to him in the first place when he tried to send him back home.

But that's besides the point SM would still have died on Earth whether he was fighting or not. Remember half the populations dissolves; Nick didn't even fight and still got disassembled. That was all Thanos.
CoulsonNeverDies
CoulsonNeverDies - 5/9/2018, 5:17 AM
@Cayde6 - Not true. We don't know who would have survived in a different scenario, except the one where they win, and the only confirmed character in that outcome is Iron Man. After that, we are left in the dark as Dr Strange dies.
Matador
Matador - 5/9/2018, 5:29 AM
@CoulsonNeverDies - Everyone was picked out randomly so it's true had he not been there by choice who knows what would have happened.
MinoMininni
MinoMininni - 5/9/2018, 7:16 AM
@Cayde6 - I wasn't blaming Tony at all, all I was saying was that he would surely take the weight of the world on his shoulders as he always does. He was waiting for Thanos all along, and then he failed to stop him. Everybody failed, but he'll only consider his part of responsibility. Pretty much the same thing he did with the Sokovia Accords: Ultron destroyed a whole country, a kid got killed, a mother complained about it, he took full responsibility and blamed himself for everything. He's got quite an ego, and that means also that he'll always consider himself responsible for everything, even if it's not his fault for Spider-Man and everyone else dying.
Matador
Matador - 5/9/2018, 8:30 AM
@MinoMininni - Yeah Tony has been blaming himself for everything since his first movie and he will continue just because in his mind he thinks he can fix the world almost like Thanos yet not as messed up. Tony is a futurist and due to his ego he believes only he can make it right and that's why he still has not grasped on how to rely on his teammate's fully thru wrong or right.

But that just my point of view.
MyBeard
MyBeard - 5/9/2018, 8:58 AM
@CoulsonNeverDies - There is no indication that it would have turned out differently. The only "evidence" we have suggests that it would have been the same result vis-a-vis who disappears. Only not getting all the stones would seem to make a difference because Thanos was not vindictive or he would have used that moment to eliminate anyone who he didn't like...Nebula for instance.

It was an individual coin flip for everyone. Why would that flip go the other way based on a person's location?
LaserKing
LaserKing - 5/9/2018, 3:29 AM
I have seen this movie three times now and was floored how quiet the theatre got when people started to vanish. You could hear pin drop quiet. Actually made it a tad spooky because the movie itself was quiet.
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