AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY's Plot Has Been Revealed; Doctor Doom Was Set To Be Mutant Saga's Big Bad

AVENGERS: THE KANG DYNASTY's Plot Has Been Revealed; Doctor Doom Was Set To Be Mutant Saga's Big Bad

Marvel Studios scrapped Avengers: The Kang Dynasty to instead focus on Avengers: Doomsday, and some new details about their original plans for the Multiverse Saga's conclusion have finally been revealed...

By JoshWilding - Mar 29, 2025 05:03 AM EST

At the San Diego Comic-Con in 2022, Marvel Studios announced plans for Avengers: The Kang Dynasty and Avengers: Secret Wars. Even before Jonathan Majors' legal issues, the studio was having its doubts about keeping Kang as the Multiverse Saga's big bad. 

Why? Well, Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania was a critical and commercial disappointment. Reliable insiders later claimed that Marvel Studios was taken aback by the response, and it seems it shook them enough to wonder if Kang was the wrong villain to be focusing on.

Since then, a lot has changed. Charting the chaotic productions of both movies is no easy task, but The Kang Dynasty's director Destin Daniel Cretton is now helming Spider-Man 4, and neither Michael Waldron nor Jeff Loveness are attached to write either movie.

Instead, Avengers: The Kang Dynasty Avengers: Doomsday and Secret Wars have both been rewritten by Stephen McFeely and will be helmed by Avengers: Endgame directors the Russo Brothers. 

We've previously heard the plan for Avengers: The Kang Dynasty was to pit Earth's Mightiest Heroes against the Council of Kangs but some additional details have been shared today by The Cosmic Circus' Alex Perez.

According to the scooper, separate Avengers teams set out to battle Immortus, Centurion and Rama-Tut, the three Kang Variants teased at the end of Quantumania

However, the Conqueror Variant was going to return from "The Beyond" in the third act to take revenge against his doppelgangers and become He Who Remains.

It's unclear what would have happened from there heading into Avengers: Secret Wars, but with history repeating itself and the Multiverse once again destroyed, we've heard surviving heroes from several different realities were set to battle "The Beyonder" in The Void. 

It's said that Doctor Doom was never part of Marvel Studios' original plans for the two-part Multiverse Saga finale; instead, he - and others - were to be revealed as being among those removed from the timeline by Kang to ensure they could thrive. However, once those Variants had been defeated, Doom was teased as the "evil" they were trying to keep at bay with their actions. 

Perez adds, "Now, you’re getting the aftermath of what would have basically been the next Saga, but with Doom at the forefront instead of Kang mixed in with a couple of ideas from previous scripts."

So, had things played out differently, Doom was set to be the Mutant Saga's big bad and likely had a lot more sceentime before debuting. It's always interesting to think about what might have been, but it's doubtful that Loveness and Waldron were the right people to pull this ambitious story off. 

While Loki did a great job of setting the stage for Kang, many regular moviegoers don't watch the MCU TV shows, so relying on the Ant-Man threequel to get people interested enough in seeing all these Kang Variants go to war...well, that was going to be a big ask. 

Avengers: Doomsday is set to be released in May 2026, with Avengers: Secret Wars scheduled to arrive in May 2027. 

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SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 3/29/2025, 5:11 AM
Marvel Studios has sort of explained away Kang with the TVA hunting his variants after Loki Season 2 and we saw The Exiles using his time chair implying they also killed a variant of his. I wouldn't mind seeing Doom completely prune the entire Council of Kangs in the opening scene of Doomsday. But at this point Kang wasn't the standout villain they had hoped for so his deletion is a forgotten plot point.
MGSSnake1988
MGSSnake1988 - 3/29/2025, 5:21 AM
Part of what made The Infinity Saga watchable is the cohesiveness that made the films connect together, in spite of not really having a plan in the first place. Even if Thanos is in the sidelines, his presence is felt leading up to his role as the big bad of Infinity War and Endgame. Heck, even something like The Incredible Hulk, Thor 2, and Captain Marvel are at least watchable.


The Multiverse Saga, on the other hand, is a big narrative mess. In spite of having different flavors like Eternals, The Marvels, Quantumania, and Brave New World, their importance to the overall narrative of the new saga can be skipped in favor of juggernauts like No Way Home and Deadpool 3. Worse, people will read these stuff on Wikipedia or watch clips of them on YouTube instead. If there are no main characters or big bads to create a narrative for, why bother?

A lot of chances to feature Kang as a major player and he really didn't feature much. For sure, Doomsday and Secret Wars will succeed. But the damage is done.
cubrn
cubrn - 3/29/2025, 2:33 PM
@MGSSnake1988 - Thanos didn’t even have a speaking role until 6 years after phase 1 began. Phase 1 of the multiverse saga began 5 years ago.
SummersEssex
SummersEssex - 3/29/2025, 4:41 PM
@cubrn - This.

Also, everyone complains about how this saga lacks cohesion. The only thing cohesive leading up to the first Avengers movie was the idea of the Avengers becoming a team. Then leading up to Ultron there was no cohesion. They just told more stories with a few connecting things that did not matter in the slightest. Then things started to connect and that's when no one cared about the movies, they just wanted to the post-credits scenes. And the majority of people who complain about these movies being terrible weren't even in grade school yet (if they were even born) when the first Iron Man came out. They got to pick an choose which movies they saw in rapid succession leading up to Infinity War and now they expect everything the MCU puts out to be an Endgame level event.

The films barely connected together until the last few before Infinity War and people need to stop talking about how it was so much better than what we have now. There have been some stinker films in BOTH sagas, but no one seems to remember the backlash for Iron Man 2 and 3 and yet it was still ok to base the entire saga around the guy with the crappiest trilogy. (I like Iron Man 2 a lot, though).
MGSSnake1988
MGSSnake1988 - 3/30/2025, 3:41 AM
@cubrn - His impact is much more felt than Kang. Not to mention, his plans are foiled THRICE in less than two years.

Having him be the main villain of the next two big MCU films is a mistake, and they thankfully changed it.
MGSSnake1988
MGSSnake1988 - 3/30/2025, 3:50 AM
@SummersEssex - The difference is that each film is unique in its own right that even some, if not all, of the small things happening like Stark and Romanoff having about last birthdays have payoffs in later films. Some of them may have looked rushed, but they are something worth the time and money.

What do stuff like She-Hulk and Secret Invasion offer to the larger scheme of events in The Multiverse Saga? Nothing, and they are not worth anybody's time. Who is the character we should root for the most in this new saga? Nobody. What is the reward in watching the new big bad of the saga being introduced in a TV show? Getting kicked by Ant-Man and the Wasp, and replaced by RDJ Doom.

Nothing like that happened in the Infinity Saga, but whatever.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 3/29/2025, 5:22 AM
I doubt they'd pivot that much. I'm guessing the plan was always to have Doom show up in Secret Wars, and they now just pulled him forward one movie.

Also, if a Kang returns from "The Beyond", why isn't he called the Beyonder? Could've even casted an older actor. Only thing they had to change was the Council of Kangs to Doom.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 3/29/2025, 5:35 AM
@bkmeijer1 - perhaps he was called The Beyonder since it says they would have battled him in the Void

Also I don’t think Doom was ever going to be in either film and was saved for the future but after mainly the Majors incident and them reportedly going to Colman Domingo who didn’t want to play a role someone else had already played , they decided to scrap Kang and move on to Doom
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 3/29/2025, 8:02 AM
@bkmeijer1 - For reasons even I myself will never fully understand; THE BEYONDER has been one of my all-time fav cosmic heavyweights in the Marvel Universe. And if the closest we were gonna' get to him was Major's Kang wearing-the-mantle of the name "Beyonder", I'm kinda' happy things turned-out the way that they did. 🫤
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/29/2025, 5:28 AM
Usually when I read what could have been I'm like "Oh! That would've been so much better!", but not this time. This sounds whack.

No Doom. The Void is Battleworld. 3 Avengers teams fight 3 different Kang variants, my sweet baby goodness that would have been boring. Worse than boring, Majors playing all three variants, this would have been annoying to watch.
Ghoul
Ghoul - 3/29/2025, 9:50 AM
@ObserverIO - gotta say I fully agree! It sounds more like more filler movies! They didn’t build Kang up enough and definitely missed too many opportunities with his set up. Just would’ve been a very flat conclusion trying it’s best to feel epic
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 3/29/2025, 5:30 AM
I thought Kang was great, though I completely understand the switch up and believe the current plan is the better scenario. My hope is that Majors will return one day and all the classic Marvel villains exist at the same time in the same universe, and are aware of, and interact with, each other. Bring on the Bad Guys
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/29/2025, 5:34 AM
Hollup!

This guy says Doom was only teased at the end of Secret Wars, but the concept art that the Russos said is not from their Secret Wars has Doom sat on his throne with Sue, Franklin and Strange besides him just like Hickman's Secret Wars.

So who's lying?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/29/2025, 5:36 AM
I'm hoping it's The Russos who are lying because that concept art was dope and got a lot of people very excited for the movie.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 3/29/2025, 5:46 AM
@ObserverIO - it sounds like there have been a ton of drafts of different scripts with different concepts sifting through to the current script. I'd imagine there's been a lot of artwork along the way. Nothing hinting at how Doom will be introduced in FFFS though, and that's what really interests me. Dude has zero setup so far
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 3/29/2025, 6:10 AM
@ProfessorWhy - TFFFS seems to feature a Fantastic Four that has already had a storied history when the movie begins, if reports are to be believed. So I would imagine that Doom is already a part of that history and may be mentioned throughout the course of the film only to appear in the end credits scene.
FrankenDad
FrankenDad - 3/29/2025, 10:04 AM
@ObserverIO - I’ve been under the impression the Russos are lying. For “non canon fan art” Disney sure as hell pulled those images down fast.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 3/29/2025, 10:23 AM
@ObserverIO - definitely the Russos. They were simply tooling with words because the concept art was all from their Secret Wars film rather than Doomsday
Spike101
Spike101 - 3/29/2025, 5:58 AM
Kang nor his many variants ruined Quantumania, the issues were a ridiculous take on MODOK, wandering script and the humorous take on Antman and his daughter. They should have stuck with Hank Pym and let him run through his arc creating Ultron, his madness and becoming Yellow Jacket. The movie was just a bit of a mess.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 3/29/2025, 8:20 AM
@Spike101 - Both Scott Lang and Peter Quill had the same issue, they were fine starting out goofy but needed to evolve more as it gets tired. Meanwhile Wasp was a far stronger character in every way to use Pym particles as spent her entire life training to do so and far higher IQ and she was poorly used in the first two films and sidelined too much in Quantumania.

Having the Antman films being more towards younger audiences, more comedic isn't so much the issue but you can still evolve the characters so they aren't bumbling their way to victory every time and MODOK was a HUGE error. Using Yellowjacket to become a MODOK conceptualy is fine but the way it was done was the way he looked didn't work.

I know some took issue with how Kang was defeated, but that is NOT the issue of the film as he IS only human using tech. Strip the tech he can be taken down as easily as Tony Stark could without his armor and a clearer hint that he wasn't killed but instead set to evolve after being sucked into his device with the end credit would have been better than the council of Kangs one.

Anyway, I found AM3 a tad more watchable than AM2 but was never a fan of Scott, the first was fun but all three are in the bottom half of my list but tastes differ and never begrudge films aimed at tastes other than mine. For all the issues many have taken with the MCU since Endgame I STILL support the decision to try to give a broader range of styles and characters even if not all of them landed well.
RolandD
RolandD - 3/29/2025, 9:38 AM
@Apophis71 - “but tastes differ and never begrudge films aimed at tastes other than mine.” There’s a lesson a lot of users who comment on this website could learn. Nice!
Spike101
Spike101 - 3/29/2025, 11:30 AM
@Apophis71 - Yes agreed, they did the same with Quill. It worked really well for the most of Guardians 1 after which it was too much. Ranking wise yes I’d also agree. The way Hank Pym has been handled is and always will be my number one issue when considering the failings of the MCU. He’s such an interesting character with all his aliases and his madness.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 3/29/2025, 6:02 AM
Honestly , I could buy this except for Kang trying to keep Doom at bay given it’s been clearly stated he was trying to do that with his own variants…

It does at least show why so many new heroes & such were being introduced in this Saga because you would need as many as you can in order to take on an enemy that has countless versions of himself out there.

Anyway , this does sound like it could have been fun but it is what it is now…

I just hope Doomsday & Secret Wars turn out well!!.
abd00bie
abd00bie - 3/29/2025, 6:20 AM
Mutant's big bad should always be Intolerance.. Doom? I think not, save him for FF..
DocSpock
DocSpock - 3/29/2025, 7:30 AM
@abd00bie -

So overarching wussy stuff that tells people we are terrible and should bow to every minority we can think of or invent and beg forgiveness.

Been there, done that. We all saw The Marvels too.

Let's have some tear the theater down action like Infinity War.
kg8817
kg8817 - 3/29/2025, 8:33 AM
@DocSpock - That’s the X-Men. That’s their story. It’s been the focal point of their stories since the 60’s.

If you’re a comic fan, you know that.

I’m guessing you know that, and you don’t like the fact that it calls you out and points you out to be the actual villain that they’re fighting against, so you throw some insults at the concept like “bowing to minorities” and “forgiveness” as weak and instead want to see action since you don’t get any living in your mom’s basement.

Cowardly and weak mean like you live in fear and that’s the type of threat X-Men has been warning against for almost 50 years. I can see how that’s triggering to you. It’s okay little snowflake.
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 3/29/2025, 12:48 PM
@kg8817 - lol, so true. He also is a senior citizen from Texas, so it's not like he is in concensus reality
cubrn
cubrn - 3/29/2025, 2:38 PM
@DocSpock - Senator Kelly, is that you?
marvel72
marvel72 - 3/29/2025, 6:29 AM
Doctor Doom shouldn't be the big bad of The Mutant Saga,it should build to an X-Men big bad someone like Apocalypse but done right.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 3/29/2025, 10:27 AM
@marvel72 - yeah that sounds stupid
fanboy03191
fanboy03191 - 3/29/2025, 6:31 AM
The mutant saga? Uh shouldn’t the big bad for that be someone from that corner? Magneto? Apocalypse?
Repian
Repian - 3/29/2025, 6:48 AM
@fanboy03191 - Mr. Sinister and Apocalypse for a two-part event.
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SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 3/29/2025, 7:55 AM
@Repian - The fact that someone has the embarrassing audacity to put their signature to a piece of AI generated 💩 like that sets my eyeballs rolling. 🙄
Vigor
Vigor - 3/29/2025, 7:01 AM
Holy shit this is precisely what I predicted. And people kept saying the conqueror was defeated. No.. it was clearly a setup
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