Kevin Feige Says Tony Stark's AVENGERS: ENDGAME Death Will Stick: We [Won't] Touch That Moment Again

Kevin Feige Says Tony Stark's AVENGERS: ENDGAME Death Will Stick: "We [Won't] Touch That Moment Again"

Marvel Studios May Have Turned To AVENGERS: ENDGAME Writers To Help Shape The Troubled Multiverse Saga
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knocturnalzen10 - 5/7/2019, 6:30 AM
this film was so well done , people will look for flaws to feel special smh ........

this rivals TDK imo and that's rare for me to say .....
fadersdream - 5/7/2019, 7:10 AM
@knocturnalzen10 - I loved the Dark Knight... but I think it got left behind a long time ago.

DC has this tagline of 'greatest comic characters of all time', it doesn't really mean anything, it's just a slogan.

Dark Knight got that treatment too, I love that movie, flaws and all, but I fast forward through a LOT of it when I watch it now.

Where in a place now that will force transcendence, TDK and Ledgers death maybe held that back for a while because of forced reverence, it was almost disrespectful to be better. Everything was compared against it, and many of the failed comparisons weren't based on quality but on tone.

I'm excited for what will be a fresh new landscape of comic book films.
LEVITIKUZ - 5/7/2019, 7:33 AM
@knocturnalzen10 - Honestly I think the flaws in Endgame are rather apparent

But I’m glad you enjoyed it
knocturnalzen10 - 5/7/2019, 7:40 AM
@LEVITIKUZ - thanks brother and yes there are a few but look at the spectrum of the story and how they wrapped up a good portion of the character's we've followed for 10 years. mind you it's one of the most comicbookie film we've gotten (like ripped from the pages aspects) imo
knocturnalzen10 - 5/7/2019, 7:45 AM
@fadersdream - i'm very excited to see the new landscape as well .....

what makes the TDK so great because it's like TWS or logan , it's a film that unless you see the title these films are just great qt films in general .
fadersdream - 5/7/2019, 8:10 AM
@knocturnalzen10 - I agree. I would argue it's the most free from expectations, and gets to live a very independent life. The third one answered to the previous, the first one built up the world for the trilogy... but the Dark Knight was able to just tell an independent story, in a world that had already been built and road-proven.

But it also has its Training Day parts.
Training Day is this great film that ends with 'the Russians' killing Denzel Washington. Ten minutes added to a film that felt ten minutes too long.
TDK... ballerinas and diplomats.

I'll always wish that the DCU was building towards Kingdom Come.
knocturnalzen10 - 5/7/2019, 8:18 AM
@fadersdream - who are you telling .... i love a kingdom come run ... hell i'll even settle for an infinite crisis one ... but i think DC realized they need to first focus on making good to solid films and now be in the shadows of Nolan .. i didn't think Mos was back actually but what came afterwards had me squinting so frequently
TexasAvenger - 5/7/2019, 8:28 AM
@knocturnalzen10 - There's all these people with garbage takes on Endgame trying to shit on it on Twitter smh. Can't appreciate greatness.
knocturnalzen10 - 5/7/2019, 8:32 AM
@TexasAvenger - exactly !!!!
fadersdream - 5/7/2019, 8:35 AM
@knocturnalzen10 - agreed on the focus... I think Infinite Crisis may have been the problem. It's one of the holy grail's of the comics, but I don't know that it would translate.

Scaled down there is very little unique about it nowadays, and scaled up it's too broad and weird (wonderfully weird). Would love to be wrong, though. But I think they may have been laying little hints here and there for it.

Kingdom Come was essentially a Justice League book, with other characters, and could launch lessor knowns.

But, yeah, I love the idea that they are letting the characters breathe on there own a little. DC is too spurious right now with all their properties. It's tough on the fans to love something that will never get any bigger than it's TV show. Or to have 3 supermans running around.
CaptCoulson - 5/7/2019, 6:34 AM
"The filmmaker went on to point out that the final battle includes dozens of characters with history in the Marvel Cinematic Universe and notes the challenges that would have come with bringing in an unknown. "[We] just had too many characters on our plate. And you can't introduce somebody who doesn't have their own movie like [Captain] Marvel."

"You can't just throw them into the final chapter of a book," he concludes"

Now see, does a statement like this speak to a key difference between the Russos and Joss Whedon right there? My point being, and I can't imagine there's many here who don't know this already, but the whole concept that when the final "new Avengers" group shot was being conceived for the Age Of Ultron, the shot in which we see Scarlet Witch enter the frame from the top and land softly, that VFX plate was originally shot for Captain Marvel. This is what completely baffles me. Obviously they changed their mind after a certain amount of time, but I don't understand how even for a day you think it's a good idea to introduce Captain Marvel in that spot. Not only was there no solo movie yet, there wasn't even the slightest hint of her in the universe yet. Whedon was going to have a major, new A-list Avenger just appear as part of the team with literally zero explanation.
Mind you I actually love and absolutely acknowledge what Joss Whedon did story-wise with the first Avengers, it just cracks me up there was actually a time when I was really bummed to learn he wouldn't be coming back for Avengers 3.
MexCowboyNation - 5/7/2019, 7:22 AM
@CaptCoulson - where is your proof?
MyCoolYoung - 5/7/2019, 8:27 AM
@CaptCoulson - Feige said they were never doing that. Spiderman was introduced in civil war without a hint of him being in the universe.

The key to what they said was introducing a character in the final chapter
CaptCoulson - 5/7/2019, 8:41 AM
@MyCoolYoung - well first of all, Feige may have very well realized that wasn't a smart thing to do as soon as he heard it, but Whedon still had a genuine intention on trying to do it. That was my point, even for a time he thought it a good idea.

And I'm sorry but the Spiderman/CW thing is not really comparable, at all. They were giving him a proper introduction, in the middle of the movie, his very first scene as a normal kid. And his progression from there to a player being more involved was a sizeable plot thread.
Whedon was going to have Captain Marvel enter her first seconds of MCU time already on the team, saying nothing about it before or after. The movie still ends about a whole 20 seconds later.
Chewtoy - 5/7/2019, 8:46 AM
@CaptCoulson - Here’s the thing... I honestly don’t think it would have been all that different from what we got, which was:

At the end of a film he wasn’t in, Fury pulls out a pager and calls someone. The Captain Marvel logo comes up. We get a solo movie introducing Captain Marvel. The end credits of that film show her meeting the Avengers. In the next Avengers film she’s an Avenger with no further explanation.

Compare to:

At the end of Age of Ultron, Cap and Widow talk about having to field a new team of Avengers. He calls them to assemble, and there’s one we’ve never seen before dressed in an outfit with the Captain Marvel logo. Presumably, Whedon would have liked her to have her own movie after this tease, but even if that wasn’t in the cards the next film she appeared in would explain who she was and why she was an Avenger now.

Both endings reveal that there’s a hero out there that we’ve never heard of, and suddenly they’re important to the next Avengers film.
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