What is Riding on The Avengers Movie

What is Riding on The Avengers Movie

Why The Avengers needs to get it right after team movies that fans would consider failures.

Editorial Opinion
By Hawksblueyes - Aug 25, 2010 06:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers

Marvel, along with Joss Whedon, is attempting to pull together one of the most motley groups of superhero characters you could think of to form The Avengers on the big screen. Many, (including to a certain extent, myself) think this is going to be a make or break movie for Marvel. Will it mean the end of superhero movies if The Avengers fails? No, not by any means. However, it could be the last time we see a group of heroes together in one quality movie at the theater.

We all know that superhero movies are not only the trend but a successful one. Spider Man, Batman and so on bring in big bucks for the studios. What we don't know is how good a team movie can be.



FOX has had three attempts at making a quality X-Men movie. While financially successful, the jury is divided on just how good these movies are. They used the cut and paste method of grabbing some of the franchises most popular characters at the time of filming. In doing so they left any and all continuity behind. The studio also failed miserably to give us a glimpse of any character's personality whose name didn't start with Logan and end with Wolverine. Having said this, I still found the first two films greatly enjoyable. I know that doesn't make any sense and my only explanation is that I'm not an X-Men nut. I don't believe that there has been too damn much continuity in the books since they expanded from the Uncanny line years ago. I do however, feel for those of you out there who do hold the X-Men near and dear.



Moving on....

FOX took two separate stabs at one of Marvels team franchises with
Fantastic 4
. Once again the film made money but it did so while disappointing the group's many fans. Once again the studio chose to neglect many pieces of the Fantastic 4 mythos in order to make a flashy, campy version of the comic book heroes. Again, I wasn't one of the many enraged fans because I have always found the comic book version of the group to be on the campy side. While I hate how the studio chose to portray the Silver Surfer, Doom, and Galactus, I was not too disappointed with the group itself. And again, I feel for you fans out there who were not happy at all with the movies.


Now we come to the team movie that almost every fan agrees was done the way it should be. It stuck to the source almost word for word and frame for frame. The actors brought the characters to life in costumes ripped straight from the book. Sure the end was changed just a little but the outcome was the same. The only problem with this movie is that it didn't make money. While the fans raved, the average movie goer was lost watching the film. The film I am refering to is of course Watchmen.

All this brings us back to The Avengers. Marvel is putting this film together which is a huge plus for us fans. The studio actually cares about the subject matter. Still they have a fine line to walk. Marvel obviously isn't interested in putting out anything that the fans would compare to the X-Men or Fantastic 4 films. By the same token, there is no way in hell they can knowingly put out a completely faithful adaptation a la Watchmen and sit back and wait to lose money. I do believe that if anybody can walk that line, it's Marvel. I think The Avengers is going to be epic.

I can guarantee you that DC is sitting back and letting Marvel prove to them that it can be done. They have nothing to lose by doing so, their fan base isn't going anywhere. They also have two things to gain by waiting.

1. If the movie for some reason is not that good, they can see where Marvel went wrong and try to improve upon it when and if they make the JLA.

2. Most importantly they can see if the movie is fantastic like Watchmen and still fails to bring in any money.

This is the thing that all CBM fans must hope does not happen. If it does, I doubt DC or Marvel or anybody else for that matter will bother trying to make a quality team movie again. We may see more thrown together X-Menfilms but we won't see another big budget team movie. Why would we, if they fail to bring in the average movie-goer?



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Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 8/25/2010, 6:13 PM
:)
UnfriendlySpidey
UnfriendlySpidey - 8/25/2010, 6:25 PM
:D Well said @Hawks! The Avengers will be great!!!...Marvel won't disappoint us....I hope...haha you make very valid points I haven't thought about...until now...thanks for making this fanboy worried...lmao jk this movie is going to make CBM history! Great article!
marvelguy
marvelguy - 8/25/2010, 6:46 PM
I agree with you regarding DC/Warner just waiting it out. But, you could say that they've probably learned from the X-Men films. I think you're mistaken about team movies. I think Marvel's gamble is trying to have four or five movies building up to the gathering of heroes. If it doesn't go well, they'll probably start with the group, then do single character movies.
The superhero genre will not go away. Now it may slow down, but the wealth of material is why Hollywood keeps digging. Hollywood is so lacking in originality, that they didn't even know they were waiting for Spider-Man and Batman to reinvent the summer blockbuster.
Good thinking, and I'm mostly with you.
TheLonelyComicBookNerd
TheLonelyComicBookNerd - 8/25/2010, 6:56 PM
Honestly I hated all Movies that rights aren't owned by Marvel,

X-Men
Fantastic 4
Spider-Man 3
Ghost rider
all of them


The only ones i liked were Spider-Man 1 and 2.
P862010
P862010 - 8/25/2010, 7:06 PM
so logan was only guy developed lolol

must of missed jean/rogue/iceman/storm/ developed over the course of 3 films

or mystique

god you fanboys are so damn stupid
juggy4711
juggy4711 - 8/25/2010, 7:12 PM
Good article hawks. I think WB is certainly waiting to not only see if it makes cash but how they pull it off in general.
josebonifacio
josebonifacio - 8/25/2010, 7:15 PM
I rather it be both comercially and critically successful.
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 8/25/2010, 7:17 PM
Thanks guys! ;P

P862010: I'm sorry you're correct. Storm was the woman who shot lightning bolts and talked with an African accent sometimes in the first movie. Then she didn't have an accent at all in the secind one. She also admitted to Nightcrawler that she had no faith in the second one. That would be the same Storm who has a strong sense of faith in the books, and no I didn't say she had faith in god just faith in general.

Jean was portrayed as a great personality black hole.

Rogue was a completely screwed up teen who they shouldn't have included in the film at all due to the fact that they couldn't even give her her proper powers because of licensing issue's.

I could go on and on and I'm by no means an X-men fanboy.

If they get a character's personality right, they can take the story wherever they want to take it.

josebonifacio: I agree 100%. :D
mk
mk - 8/25/2010, 7:38 PM
cant wait for 2011 and 2012!
armageddon
armageddon - 8/25/2010, 7:44 PM
Hamm3rtym3 i agreed with you even tho watchmen was close to the graphic novel i found it boring i never heard of it until the movie came out and most people found it boring that is why it didn't make much money compare to the avengers where you have characters that are a lot more familiar to the none comic book fans who hasn't heard of captain american or thor namor ironman and even tho ironman wasn't as popular as captain america Jon Favreau did an excellent job making him popular so i think marvel will come out pretty good with its movie marvet team has done a pretty good job so far thor looks pretty good we are gonna have to wait and see how great avenger will be :)
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 8/25/2010, 7:49 PM
I think also that Marvel has a chance to do something that hasn't been done with a superhero movie. These are powerfull SUPER BEINGS. Let's see more over the top action that can only be done with characters like these. I know there have been action sequences in every CBM but let's try just once, a little less romance and more superpowered roundhouse, laser shooting, flying around the damn building action.
armageddon
armageddon - 8/25/2010, 7:51 PM
well i think the political side of it didn't really help a lot to me was boring im just honest and i think i lot of people felt the same way or most people that i have talked about it felt the same and avengers is much more well known by most people
Superman8
Superman8 - 8/25/2010, 8:01 PM
A Great Article Hawks. Agree with most if not all of your points. Totally agree with your rebuttle to P86..

I personally am a DC fan at heart, but def envy Marvel's movies. I am anticipating the Avengers as much as anybody. And although I will prolly be the anti-christ for saying this, i almost hope it fails so DC doesnt try to top it with a JLA movie. I am too afraid it would bomb. Who knows. Maybe Thor, Cap, and the Avengers will start a trend of movies done right. I suuuuure hope so.
Upupandaway
Upupandaway - 8/25/2010, 8:03 PM
@Awesome- That's just not awesome!

@Hawks- I say don't even look at the super hero genre, but look more to other great group films (7 Samurai, the Magnificent 7, the Dirty Dozen, etc.).

@Witty- I think Watchmen failed because it gallantly failed at its mission. While it had the visual presence and intent of the book, it failed to produce the depth and entertainment value of the source. It was like a the house band playing a cover of Stairway to Heaven the chords and notes are right, but they can't play it like Zep does. With Watchmen, Snyder lost the pacing that made 300 a success and included uneven performances, horror movie gore, music video slo-mo and the a sex scene that completely took the audience out of the film. I think, as a fan of the book, Snyder created a great companion piece to the book. It was amazing to see some of those panels come alive. But ultimately it missed many things that made the graphic novel great. Goode's mumbling and Akerman's squelching didn't help. Snyder really tried and I love him for it.
kickass2193
kickass2193 - 8/25/2010, 8:11 PM
I would rather have the film be critically successful. I mean most films after rave reviews anda weak box-office, usually get the cult status, like Kick-Ass made more in blu-ray and DVD sales than box office gross.

But this is the Avengers. Everyone has heard of Capt. America, Iron Man, and the Hulk. Maybe not Thor, but still im sure after that (hopefully amazing) film, people will know who he is. Avengers will make bank, lets just hope it deserves the money it will make.
KingConn
KingConn - 8/25/2010, 8:26 PM
If anybody knows where i can get sum Venom comic books at a good price(that are in a decent condition) email me at [email protected]. All mine got water damaged :~(. Good article though, sorry for the little selfless plug.
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 8/25/2010, 8:29 PM
Superman8: Thanks! And you're not quite the anti-christ for that but close. :D

Upup: I've been pointing to The Magnificent Seven and The Dirty Dozen for over a year now to those that don't think a movie like this can turn out great. Two classics for sure. ;P

KingConn: Try New Kadia online. They have great prices on back issues.
Thorben
Thorben - 8/25/2010, 8:32 PM
The Avengers will do well no matter what because of the back story Marvel is doing prior to The Avengers. Something that people always point out as to the failures of movies like X-Men and Wolverine. On top of that, the stars playing the lead roles, will make a difference. RDJ has solidified himself as Stark and seems the Chrises (Thor & Cap), even before their movies come out, have already won their fanboys over. Throw in just the women who swoon over them, and cha-ching.

KingConn
KingConn - 8/25/2010, 8:36 PM
THANK YOU Hawk!
ComradeGrey
ComradeGrey - 8/25/2010, 8:36 PM
"Now we come to the team movie that almost every fan agrees was done the way it should be. It stuck to the source almost word for word and frame for frame."

If this is true, almost every fan is a retard with no taste. That movie was atrocious. On all levels.
ComradeGrey
ComradeGrey - 8/25/2010, 8:38 PM
A lot of your article is predicating on the assumption that Watchmen was a good movie. It wasn't. It failed to capture the most important part of the GN: the moral of the story.

It was a bunch of fan-service flash and fury with no heart or meaning behind it.
ComradeGrey
ComradeGrey - 8/25/2010, 8:38 PM
Sorry, predicated.
TheDarkPiney
TheDarkPiney - 8/25/2010, 8:39 PM
Can the film juggle so many characters? That is really going to determine how good it can be. I think they should not have too many villains and go in the direction of stopping the Hulk, something like that. To include a host of bad guys would not only diminish those villains who may deserve more characterization, but also confuse people not too familiar with the comic book history.

Keep it simple,follow the formula, humor, action, great acting and they will hit it out of the ballpark! If the Avengers was nothing more than Fury getting together a team to stop the Hulk, finding Capt America, and turning the Hulk where the end of the movie is the formation of the Avengers, I would not complain.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 8/25/2010, 8:44 PM
The success of Thor and Captain America are crucial to the success of the Avengers. If those movies are well received, the general public will see the Avengers as a big deal, like we do. The Avengers still has to be good to have a successful run, but pre-release buzz can really help a movie.
Upupandaway
Upupandaway - 8/25/2010, 8:45 PM
@KingConn- If you're not a collector, I'm a big fan of Marvel's digital comic service. For a little bit of money, you can read all you want. They have two full Venom series if I remember correctly.

@Hawks- Magnificent 7 is based off of 7 Samurai. You should check it out if you have an extra 5 hours and don't mind subtitles. The whole time I was watching I was thinking "put this in New York with superheroes and you have the Avengers." They did it in Mag 7 by placing it in the OLD WEST.
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 8/25/2010, 8:47 PM
KingConn: Anytime. ;D

ComradeGrey: Thanks for clearing that up. I was about to ask you to give me some sort of reason outside of the retard comment.

Much of my article is predicated on the assumption that the majority of fanboys agree on the movie being great. I didn't say all. There are plenty out there like you, who didn't like the movie at all but "most" do. In a discussion about superhero team films "most" would agree this is the cream of the crop and still it would be considered a failure because it didn't make money.
Creature
Creature - 8/25/2010, 8:51 PM
It's imminent it'll be good, decent, or great coming from the fanboys themselves. Marvel Studios has several meetings, all of the seperate films populating the Marvel universe one at a time up to Avengers, it's thought out a lot until beginning production. I can't wait. I agree that most of the team movies aren't too worthy of note as CBMs, and Justice League should wait and see as they get their own franchises arranged in order to be critically and financially successful. X-men and F4 were totally lackluster and Marvel, in their own will, can top them 100 times over. Good read, good points @Hawks!
airbeyonder18
airbeyonder18 - 8/25/2010, 8:58 PM
FINGERS CROSSED.
armageddon
armageddon - 8/25/2010, 9:02 PM
@hawksblue it didn't make money simple because the characters weren't known and because the story was boring as simple as that i don't consider watchman is the cream of the crop i think marvel can do much better not just their characters are much more well known but it is for all ages and have a lot more villains that they can use yes a bunch of comic book fans can say it is a very good movie but at the end what it counts is how much people that don't read comics actually like it and that is the directors responsibility to make a movie successful :)
sexfoodcomics
sexfoodcomics - 8/25/2010, 9:03 PM
the average movie goer doesn't know what they want. They complain that hollywood doesn't make any original fantastic movies, then Scott pilgrim comes out and they rather go see Vampires Suck instead. Average movie goers are dumb.
KingConn
KingConn - 8/25/2010, 9:04 PM
Upupandaway, if you wanna tell me the site i'll bite, im still gonna get sum legit ones though.
armageddon
armageddon - 8/25/2010, 9:07 PM
@sexfoodcomics at the end that is what it counts and that is what this is about money the better the movie the more money they get q(-@-@-)p
Upupandaway
Upupandaway - 8/25/2010, 9:09 PM
@KingConn- If you go with the year subscription, it's like $5 a month for unlimited comics. Note: they don't put up new stuff right away. You can check what they have before you buy though. For me, I'm loving every penny saving minute of it:

http://marvel.com/digitalcomics/
Upupandaway
Upupandaway - 8/25/2010, 9:12 PM
@sexfoodcomics- They should have waited a couple of weeks and went for a bigger release on Labor Day. I don't think anyone is really going out to the movies now. Too busy doing the last of summer outdoors stuff. I'm one of the people who haven't had time to see it yet and am planning on seeing it Labor Day weekend.
skidz
skidz - 8/25/2010, 9:29 PM
Fantastic article! It's great to see some objective opinions about where Marvel's going and what could happen as a result, win or lose, without taking any sides. I have to say, though, that Marvel starting out introducing INDIVIDUAL characters before forming the AVENGERS is a BRILLIANT MOVE! MARVEL probably wouldn't have this chance if another production company was involved, FOX, for example. They fast tracked too many characters, too quickly just to make a buck. And in the case of X-Men, weren't patient enough to wait Bryan Singer to come back to the directors chair and fans and moviegoers alike got saddled with a half!!@@# attempt at a third installment. Then they tried Wolverine, which made absolutely no sense chronologically and another half!@#@# movie, to boot. Most of the moviegoing audience was probably wondering where the hell the BONE CLAWS idea came from not having read FATAL ATTRACTIONS OR WOLVERINE: ORIGIN! Neither of which played any part in the chronology of the X-film's. AVENGERS looks to be a FANTASTIC shot at creative damage control!
prototype87
prototype87 - 8/25/2010, 10:59 PM
Deadpool813
Deadpool813 - 8/25/2010, 11:50 PM
Great story but you cant compare FOX with Marvel studios, period... Avengers will be great, it will bring in tons of money, because just with Iron Man 1 and 2, Marvel brought in A LOT of people that didnt read any comic books at all to the movies and they loved it and I bet you they even started to read the comics after that, not a lot but many did.

Now, again going back to the people that dont know the comics, they know that the Incredible Hulk is involved, so they watched that and after Iron Man 2 and at the end of the credits Thor appeared, so now they will go watch Thor, and at the end of Thor there will be something that has to do with Captain America so they have to go watch that, and at the end of Captain America theres something that has to do with the Avengers so they have to go and see that... Its a psycological chain, a chain where people have to see the movies, they can not just watch Iron Man 1 and say ok I'm not going to watch the IH, IM2, Thor or CA, its impossible to do!

They will bring in money no matter how good or how shitty The Avengers is...
Yourdaddydevilandlord
Yourdaddydevilandlord - 8/26/2010, 1:09 AM
Yeah, to compare it to Watchmen is just wrong. One Graphic Novel that the general public had never heard of to Captain friggin America, Iron Man, Thor, and the Hulk in the same movie. Not even a comparison. I liked The Watchmen, but it wasn't a 50 year canon thing like Cap. Avengers will make money regardless, just make it right so the "Fanboys" will rave about it and the money will come in. Why is this even a question? Popular enough characters that you believe in will bring in the casuals, plus the hardcores loving it, how can that not work? X-men 3 did well on the basis of X-2 mostly, plus the Hugh Jackman hype, Plus the FANBOY ANTICIPATION of Kelsey Grammer as Beast, who was perfect, they just wrote him in wrong, all of the sudden he walks in and everyone is like, hey Hank!!! But Grammer was perfect as Beast.(I hope you read this Kelsey, we don't blame you!!!) Also, the fanboy love of the Nightcrawler scene and the Magneto breakout scene, they got those right, and X-2 was clearly the closest they have come to doing it right, but X-3, what the fudge?????!!?!?!?!? That made the most not because of what the Donner party and Ratner did, but because of the previous work, which still had problems but, were cool none the less. Obligatory Wolverine Origins was an abortion line here.

Just do it right and you will make more money, did you hear me, DO IT RIGHT AND YOU WILL MAKE MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE WILL SEE IT 47 TIMES AND DRAG DIFFERENT FRIENDS TO IT EACH TIME BECAUSE IT IS THE GREATEST THING EVER!!!!!!!!
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