Batman and Philosophy

Batman and Philosophy

What is it like to be a Batman?

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By bsprecher - Feb 13, 2010 07:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman
Source: TPM

If you’re a die-hard comic book fan like I am, then at one point or another you've probably contemplated some of the deeper themes, meanings and morays behind the superficial "adolescent power fantasies" that superhero characters and their situations are often said to represent by those who don't understand the medium. Perhaps you've wondered what it would actually be like to be a hero like Batman or to be Batman himself.

In an article published in Issue 44 of The Philosophers' Magazine, Ron Novy, lecturer in philosophy & the humanities at the University of Central Arkansas, posits the question:

What is it like to be a Batman?






Acting like Batman is quite different from actually knowing what it’s like to be Batman. At best, one can “do as Batman does” – brood in the Batcave, admire the long curve of Catwoman’s calf, or tumble down an alley with some of the Joker’s henchmen. Insofar as your actions mirror those of Batman, with a little practice you could do a pretty fair job of behaving as Batman behaves – but this is not the same as knowing what it’s like for Batman to be Batman. To actually know Batman’s experience of such events – that is, to know what it’s like to be Batman – would require knowledge of Batman’s subjective experiences, knowledge to which (it seems) Batman alone has access.

Batman and the Joker were each born in violence, each the product of an ordinary person who was fundamentally transformed on “one bad day”. Their strange intimacy is the madness shared by two angels of death debating conditions necessary for human freedom.

Batman’s story is well known. Young Bruce Wayne witnesses the senseless murder of his parents by a small-time crook. Despite their cooperation, the mugger loses his nerve and shoots the pair. In that instant, Bruce loses not only his parents, but also his illusory understanding of the world. Suddenly, he realizes that not all people are decent and that not everyone cares about his happiness; that some problems can’t be resolved by a generous dip into a bottomless bank account; that visceral hate and explosive violence can be liberating; and that the polished world of Wayne Enterprises is built upon a sunless foundation in which suffering and want are not isolated occurrences.

The Joker’s “one bad day” is less well known: An unremarkable chemical engineer has quit his job and failed at his dream of being a stand-up comedian; he loses his pregnant wife in a fluke accident, is forced into a bungled robbery of his former employer, and plummets into a tank of noxious waste while fleeing the police. It is a baptism from which emerges the Joker: green hair, pallid skin, and insane.

Recognizing Batman’s similar experience of destruction and rebirth, the Joker is stunned by Batman’s commitment to fight chaos. “When I saw what a black, awful joke the world was, I went crazy as a coot!” he told Batman. “I admit it! Why can’t you? … It’s all a joke! Everything anybody ever valued or struggled for – it’s all a monstrous, demented gag!”

For both Batman and the Joker, violence overthrew a coherent picture of the world without installing a replacement; they share this realization and are bound together in an effort to make sense of it. Like violators of the tabernacle or visitors in Oz, each has glimpsed behind the curtain of appearances.

This experience of becoming disillusioned and of catching a glimpse of secret knowledge binds Batman and the Joker, though neither is quite sure what was revealed about how the world “really is”. While they have different hopes regarding the nature of that world behind the appearances, they have only one another with whom to commiserate regarding the terrifying recognition that this world – our world of cops and robbers, joy-buzzers and cemeteries – for them doesn’t exist.

Even acknowledging that this phenomenal world is one of appearance, Batman and the Joker, at least in regard to one another, behave as if the world matters. Batman has ended more than a few story arcs by returning the killer clown to Arkham Asylum – something one might not expect given the Joker’s body count and the numerous opportunities Batman has had to offer Gotham City “a more permanent solution” to its recurring Joker problem. Yet as he reveals to Mr. Zsasz, the serial killer who commemorates each kill with a tally mark carved into his own body, Batman needs to continue his relationship with those he fights. It is in their struggle that he gains recognition as something apart from the world of appearance: “Do you want to know what power is? Real power? It’s not ending a life, it’s saving it. It’s looking in someone’s eyes and seeing that spark of recognition, that instant they realize something they’ll never forget.”

The Joker, too, recognizes this reciprocal relationship with Batman, a relationship without which each one would cease to be who he now is. As he explains it to Batman, “You can’t kill me without becoming like me. I can’t kill you without losing the only human being who can keep up with me. Isn’t that ironic?!” For the Joker, behind the façade that dissolved in the tank of chemical slop, there is only chaos. While literally nonsensical, chaos is also wholly liberating – in chaos, there is no fear to restrain you and no conditions that might limit your choices. According to his therapist at Arkham Asylum, the Joker “creates himself each day. He sees himself as the Lord of Misrule and the world as a theatre of the absurd.”

For Batman, this world beneath the appearances is one of order, though not a predetermined order one might read about in that copy of Metaphysics for Dummies you picked up from the discount table at your local bookstore. Rather, it is a moral order that must be wrestled into existence by recognizing the effect of one’s choices on our shared future.

Yet, for all of the shared events, nonsense, chaos, tragedies, and victories that Batman and the Joker have experienced, they do not – and cannot – know what it’s like to be in one another’s shoes. Batman’s phenomenal experience and situation in the world is wholly his own; the Joker’s phenomenal experience and situation in the world is wholly his own; and each is unable to experience the world in any other way. Yet, both Batman and the Joker are committed to the absurd yet serious task of seeing the world as it truly is. Each seems to grasp that this requires a sort of testing, and thus the other’s participation, despite that other person’s literal inability to experience the world in the same way.








For more Batman philosophical discussions, read Batman and Philosophy: The Dark Knight of the Soul, part of the Blackwell Philosophy and Popular Culture series. Edited by Mark D. White and Robert Arp, the book tackles the Batman mythologies from the standpoint of philosophy discussing such topics as:

Why doesn't Batman just kill the Joker and end everyone's misery?

Can we hold the Joker morally responsible for his actions?

Is Batman better than Superman?

If everyone followed Batman's example, would Gotham be a better place?

What is the Tao of the Bat?
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bsprecher
bsprecher - 2/13/2010, 7:42 AM
I would love to hear your thoughts and comments on this article, but it's 6:40am here and I've been up all night. I've got to get some shut-eye. Leave your comments and I'll check back in later today!

LEEE777
LEEE777 - 2/13/2010, 7:46 AM
Are you BATMAN @ BRENT?!?

; D
Joker1zero
Joker1zero - 2/13/2010, 7:47 AM
hmmm....
bsprecher
bsprecher - 2/13/2010, 7:53 AM
@LEEE777: Not right now...



Now, I really am hitting the hay!
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 2/13/2010, 7:56 AM
Brent @ Lmao! ; D

Nite!

And classic video clip, BURTON's world still rules the BAT-VERSE!

Interesting article by the way, make ya really think, gotta be a very lonely and dark dangerous place being the BAT!
flames809
flames809 - 2/13/2010, 7:59 AM
the seems interesting
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 2/13/2010, 8:19 AM
Interesting find Brent!

I dont read a lot of DC stuff but I have read a lot of Batman more than any of the other characters and I might just think about picking this book up...Why doesn't Batman just kill the Joker and end everyone's misery? would be an especially interesting read!

Guys, check out my BATMAN 3 Fan Cast! Just click the link!!! :)
BManBWG89
BManBWG89 - 2/13/2010, 8:32 AM
I've always found Batman to be the best comic book character out there. And not just because he's got all sorts of cool weapons and cause he fights guys. Batman has so many levels to him, each one more complicated than the last. Personally, if I had the money, I would buy this book right now.
1chris2
1chris2 - 2/13/2010, 8:42 AM
really good article.
THEHAWK
THEHAWK - 2/13/2010, 8:43 AM
Very well written.

@LEEE. Brent may not be Batman, but your favorite actr might be...



BATMAN out

I mean

HAWK out
Roninidas
Roninidas - 2/13/2010, 9:18 AM
Very interesting Article, I dig it.
ATOMbomb
ATOMbomb - 2/13/2010, 9:25 AM
Really cool article..huge Batman fan. Out of all of the CB characters he is favorite. When I was kid I used to watch the Burton films all the time and wonder what it was like to be Batman..I wanted to be Batman. Now my daughter loves Batman its great.
GuyFawkes
GuyFawkes - 2/13/2010, 9:32 AM
awesome, Batman is the best! I hope they will make a Batman Beyond movie sometime soon, that would be Awesome!
Photosmagoria
Photosmagoria - 2/13/2010, 9:39 AM
I've actually read Batman and philosophy, and can say that it is really very good. It covers a lot of areas in suprising depth. I particularly liked the part which discussed how Batman can never fulfill the promise he made to his parents. I'highly recommend it to anyone interested in the psychology of batman, or just psychology in general.

There is another book in the series about watchmen and philosophy, as well as one on the matrix.
lee666
lee666 - 2/13/2010, 9:53 AM
Damn..now we are getting Sigmund Freud ID crap...cool!!! But Brent stop using the big words...Lee777 does not understand them and type slow so he doesnt miss anything..Thanks Evil LEE!!!
Betty
Betty - 2/13/2010, 9:59 AM
This makes me think of Nemesis. Millar must have walked down this path and realized it would be a fun story to flip-flop Batman and the Joker's stories. I don't know that he's doing this because it's not even out yet. But it seems to be the way he's going.

Interesting read Brent.

I always thought it would be cool for Bats to heal emotionally. It would totally wrap up his character arc and end Batman quicker than a knee to the spine, but I still think it could make a great story. Think about it, if Batman healed his emotional wounds and forgave "society" or "chaos" or whoever he could attach blame to for his life, he would cease to be Batman. He would lose his drive to fight crime.

This is where I think comics fall short. Most characters remain in a perpetual hell of constant struggle. I guess if a character gets popular, from a business standpoint, you would want to keep the character as close to what seems to attract new readers and satisfying the old readers. Aside from minor changes or "crisis" situations to seem like the character goes through alot, most characters remain the same. No growth. Yes, Batman is dead, but he died at the same point of development he's always been at. Nothing has changed. At any point they can write his ass back to life.

His recent death and everyone's adjustment to the fact has been pretty interesting. We get to see everyone else cope and change and develop as characters but Batman is frozen in limbo.

Has anything come of Blackest Night? Is Bats back or more dead? I haven't been able to read any of it so someone inform me.
LEEE777
LEEE777 - 2/13/2010, 10:28 AM
HAWK @ In your WET Dreams LOL!!! ; D

leee666 @ Kiss my hairy A$$! : P
Hawksblueyes
Hawksblueyes - 2/13/2010, 11:09 AM
This is one educated, eloquent, and well thought out way of saying it is impossible to walk in another mans shoes. ;)
Phinehas
Phinehas - 2/13/2010, 11:10 AM
Gobbledygoop.

I hate when these guys write books garnered with pop-psychology for comicbook character. I see that some people find pleasure in it because it brings their favorite heroes closer into the realm of reality, but not for me. It is heavily laced with the author's own speculative and skewed bias on reality ("Yet, both Batman and the Joker are committed to the absurd yet serious task of seeing the world as it truly is." Who is he to judge how their objectives are absurd?).

Thanks, but no thanks.

Betty
As of the current issue (#7 I think) he is not officially back yet. Although in Blackest Night: WW #2, there is something that hints at his return.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/13/2010, 11:50 AM
Very interesting, looks like a good read. I think its pretty much common knowledge that Bats and The Joker are supposed to represent 2 sides of the same coin, but I always like hearing others thoughts on it elaborated. Its strange that the Red Hood notion of The Joker's origin is accepted as canon now. Even in The Killing Joke he describes it as a "multiple choice" past.."Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another". I'm not sure even he really knows for certain what happened to him.
georgia49th
georgia49th - 2/13/2010, 11:50 AM
well I suppose they revised the Jokers origin a bit the origin I grew up with was the Joker alias "The Red Hood" was that he was a less than average thief who plotted to steal a million dollars then retire from crime Batman foils the Red Hood at a chemical plant who falls into a vat of toxic chemicals the helmet he wears keeps him from drowning but the chemicals absorb into his skin turning his skin chalk white his hair green his lips blood red and contorts his mouth into a evil grin ., when he sees his image in a mirror his mind snaps for he looks like a Joker from a deck of cards . thus the Joker is born . over the years they have made the Joker more sadistic .
No Batman was never Dead but trapped in another dimension
RedSkullGeezer
RedSkullGeezer - 2/13/2010, 12:09 PM
LEE666...Your an Ass!!!
InstigatorGIRL
InstigatorGIRL - 2/13/2010, 12:16 PM
Brent I actually have Batman and Philosophy and am reading it right now along with 3 other books. It is an interesting read. One thing I have really liked is when they discuss why Batman will never kill the Joker even though it means that many would live because of it. It contains quotes and examples using characters like Hush and Red Hood (Jason Todd) and Robin, etc... Definately worth the pick up.
InstigatorGIRL
InstigatorGIRL - 2/13/2010, 12:20 PM
This is a good article Brent. Love reading stuff like this. ^_^
RedSkullGeezer
RedSkullGeezer - 2/13/2010, 1:24 PM
Now why would you suggest that Mr.Multi?
SHHH
SHHH - 2/13/2010, 1:37 PM
@Brent Sprecher : Have u seen

Batman Unmasked: The Psychology of the Dark Knight.. Good job there also..Check it out if u haven't
Upupandaway
Upupandaway - 2/13/2010, 2:06 PM
@Betty: I agree with you. That's why I love Identity Crisis and Booster Gold's story in 52. Both are about life changing experiences in lesser known characters.
RedSkullGeezer
RedSkullGeezer - 2/13/2010, 2:50 PM
Multi..I responded to you in a e-mail
Talontd
Talontd - 2/13/2010, 2:52 PM
@RedSkullGeezer

Ahhhhhahahahahahaaha!!!!! MULTI just blew up your spot, douche!


@Ror

Couldn't have said it better!

@Brent

Thanks for the great article!!!

@Instigator

I love reading stuff like this too. I'm definitely pickin this up!!!
antz1104
antz1104 - 2/13/2010, 6:42 PM
One of my favorite books is The Batman Handbook. I'll have to pick this one up.
Omnivium
Omnivium - 2/13/2010, 7:03 PM
Its a pretty interesting read. I was reading it a few weeks ago but I misplaced it.
Magicfingers
Magicfingers - 2/13/2010, 7:38 PM
Great read Brent. I'm going to have to find this book.
skidz
skidz - 2/13/2010, 7:45 PM
If you've seen the Dark Knight, you might be able to sum up their relationship with a piece of dialogue from the Joker: You won't kill me out some misguided sense of righteousness and I won't kill you because you're just...too...much...FUN! I think we'll be doing this forever!
BlackRobin98
BlackRobin98 - 2/13/2010, 8:38 PM
honestly - outside of Batman 89/Nicholson and of COURSE The Dark Knight/LEDGER; I really really fail to see the fixation fascination of the Joker. Ok, I have seen little evidence (Batman 89's a good example of this) that he is a true FIGHTER. No I dont' mean some disciplined Samurai but atleast can BOX to where he can 'hang' with Batman. He is the most blatantly CARToony super 'villain' there is. Ok I guess the guy is a great 'idea' but I think he is WAAAY overblown, overused and no where near the most creative or POWERful, threatening of the Rogues Gallary, he's a CLOWN, LITERally. Its almost and emBARRASMENT to Bats that he continues to trump the words greatest detective, martial artist/fighter, survivor, criminologist and 'super' Hero!! Honestly (I say this prepared for ALL your hater comments) I think the Riddler is a more suited all AROUND villain. And would love to see Nolan's take on him which - b4 U guys even think it - would NEVER include a pristinely vivid green suit with question marks looking like a comic strip come to life. I'd say give him a black suit with green pinstripes and to get 'rid' (get it lol) of the inherant corniness of his riddles (reference Batman 60s show or movie)Have him a mastermind criminal baffler more inline with computer terrorists. Cryptology puzzles. Think of how every once in a while U hear of some garage computer user breaking into CIA or Pentagon files, go with that level of ingenious threat-type. U know battle of the super intellect. a foe and 'problem' Batman cant spin kick, uppercut to the jaw or throw explosive or razor edged 'rangs at. Any takers?
BlackRobin98
BlackRobin98 - 2/13/2010, 8:42 PM
@Wes, I give U props doohde! U aXuallly use a human name (whether its your 'true identity' or not, get it lol) and you are EXACTLY right!! ESpecially that last part; ',..I think we'll be doing this forever' What an ultimate and largely overlooked NOD to the true fans/comic book fans b/c that deFINES their relationship!! So wat say U about my above comm? Long, yes but its no bore. Take care and God bless, Wes (no I really didnt' plan for that to rhyme lol) BlackRobin - the new partner
Bijous
Bijous - 2/14/2010, 3:59 AM
comicsprof
comicsprof - 2/14/2010, 4:29 AM
Nice article, Brent, thanks - one correction, though - Ron's last name is Novy, not Levy.

Thanks,
Mark D. White
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 2/14/2010, 10:54 AM
Blackrobin have you actually read the Joker in any comics of just seen the movie? He is not only Batman's greatest villain, imo he's the greatest villain in comic history. But then, in total contrast I think The Riddler is absolutely God awful in every way, different strokes I guess.
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