If you were Batman, Would you break your one rule for the Joker?

If you were Batman, Would you break your one rule for the Joker?

There's alot of films and Comics that I've read where the Joker was responsible for some of most infamous and gruesome murders. To quote a line from the "Dark knight"."If you want order in Gotham,the joker has to Die!!

Editorial Opinion
By Thekevin - Aug 27, 2010 04:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman

I watched Batman under the Red hood for like the 52nd time and I understand the batman has one rule that make him different for the criminals of Gotham. What makes a great Villian is someone make you feel hate. A Villian isn't someone you're supposed to like. Only two comicbook Villians Gotten me to that point of hatred, Lex Luthor and the other the Joker. To be into comics you have to have huge imagination. Some people think Lex Luthor is a cool Villian but imagine if that person was real. Imagine someone who was so greedy for Power and Respect that they would put millions of lives in jeopardy for it. Imagine someone who always want more and it doesn't matter who he has to kill or steal from or align himself with to get. That's not cool. That guy needs to be stopped.The world will always need superman as long as Lex Luthor is still alive. Superman knows that but he has a rule too But there comes a time where rules need to be broken and Superman may have to make an exception.

Now Batman on the other hand, this guy has no tolerance for crime, but killing should be the ultimate No, No, Considering how much Death surrounds him most of which The Joker is Responsible for. I watched Tim burtons Batman where The Joker was responsible for the death of his Parents. I watched The WB T.V Show Birds of Prey where the Joker was responsible for Barbara Gordon being paralyzed from the waste down. not to mentioned he murdered Commisioner Gordons Wife and kid and made Him watch while he did it. Now watching the Dark knight Where he murdered Bruce's childhood best friend Rachel Dawes and disfigured Harvey Dents face. He blew up a hospital and threaten to blow up a Boat load of people if they didn't blow up themselves. Why did Joker do it? I don't know. Why don't I know? Because he doesn't even know. He's like a dog chasing a car he wouldn't know what to do he caught it....He just do!Now after watching The Red hood,where He murdered Batmans Sidekick Robin (Jason Todd). That's where he should have drew the line. Not only was he Batman's sidekick but he was a sixteen year old kid and he showed no remorse. Jason wasn't asking to kill Two-face or Penquin or the riddler he was just talking about making an exception on the person who caused not only gotham but batman personal misery. Jason was right you can't stop crime you can only control it. In my eyes batman isn't willing to do what he has to do to protect Gotham but Jason was, and that's where they bump heads. Batman has to know that as long as joker is alive more lives will be takened and that's more blood that will be on Bruces hands. If you're going to be gothams protector, You have to do whatever it takes to protect the innocent people of that corrupt city. Being sentenced in Arkum Aksylum isn't enough for some criminals,The joker in particular. So,I'm asking you, If you were Batman, Will you be willing to break that one rule for the Joker?

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marvel72
marvel72 - 8/27/2010, 4:49 PM
no,the joker just cracks me up.
airbeyonder18
airbeyonder18 - 8/27/2010, 4:50 PM
Bruce: "No. I'm no executioner."

Ras: "Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share."

Bruce: "That's why it's so important. It separates us from them."
OdinsBeard
OdinsBeard - 8/27/2010, 4:50 PM
thekevin@ wow man - im 100% serious when i say no less than one hour ago i was thinking to myself - man if the joker were real, what a [frick] head he would be! and we all love him now because he's entertaining but holy shit - this guy needs to die! do it batman! do it! lol

I mean you think some rogue cop or criminal would've just blasted him in the head - boom - no more joker. They should kill off the joker at some point. make it just like that. have it happen right in front of batman eyes. no one saw it coming. just some guy, one of joker's lackies. just standing next to him - BLAM! IM SICK OF YOU! and everyone would blame batman and all the criminals would rise up against him in unison with the faces painted like clowns, blowing shit up, killing people, making jokes. it'd be like 1000 jokers walking around!

haha
Dynamo
Dynamo - 8/27/2010, 5:19 PM
@Anil Rickly
Darksied threatened the ENTIRE UNIVERSE it's not the same.
Also, Final Crisis sucks.

As for killing the Joker. No, that would push Batman over the edge.
Thekevin
Thekevin - 8/27/2010, 5:24 PM
@AnilRickly. Secretly? All of his enemies know his one rules whiches why they do what they do. If he wants to strike fear back in his enemies heart he needs to set a new example and what better person to start with than the Joker.
Denn1s
Denn1s - 8/27/2010, 5:26 PM
if i was batman i would probably kill him if there was no other way. think just how many lives would be saved and the world would be better off without him. one life for countless others. but i don't want dc to kill off the joker. i love this guy. he and green goblin are my top favorite villains.although he is overused and doesn't have many things to offer nowadays. but as for killing him, i would in a real life situation. wouldn't you kill a homicidal maniac to save a family? as for it dragging me down to his level and making me no better than he is, it wouldn't. i would kill him for the greater good, not for fun as he does. but in comics it is different. dc is not stupid to kill it's greatest villain.
Creature
Creature - 8/27/2010, 6:14 PM
If he's written right, he can be hilarious and frightening.
If he had damaged me as physclogically as Bruce, I may kill him.
Checkmate
Checkmate - 8/27/2010, 9:24 PM
If I were Batman I would kill him, but since the comics are entirely fictional and the fact that Joker is a badass villain, I wouldn't want DC to kill him off.
Protonite
Protonite - 8/27/2010, 9:54 PM
@Anil - And that is why you're not like Batman. Watch "Batman: Under the Red Hood" and listen to his reason. Once he crosses the line, there's no going back. Who's to say he won't do it again to other villains when they become 'difficult'? Then before you know it, he's the just the same as people like Magneto & Ra's al Ghul, who claims to be killing for 'the greater good'. Wasn't that one of Hitler's 'reasons' as well?
Angelus
Angelus - 8/28/2010, 5:24 AM
Never. As Fredrich Nietzche said: "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster."
If you break that rule, you are no better than the villains you fight.

BMP!
secretasianboy
secretasianboy - 8/28/2010, 6:45 AM
if i was batman...i would kill most supervillians after a but give them a second chance first
secretasianboy
secretasianboy - 8/28/2010, 6:47 AM
but you know that's what makes batman so great
he has the moral integrity not to kill these villains
EyeofHorus
EyeofHorus - 8/28/2010, 12:59 PM
I'm of the same mind asHamm3rtyme, plus once Batman kills the Joker you know there will have to be a new top villain to fill his spot and either one of the current Bat-vilains or a new one will come along to up the Joker's body countand assed out deeds to earn that spot as new top villain and then Batman would once again have to take out that villain for the same reasons he took out the Joker. And the cycle would continue because there will always be villains needing to up their status and somehow claim that "spot" as the top dog of villainy.
Protonite
Protonite - 8/28/2010, 1:53 PM
@Anil - Well congratulations on reading hundreds upon hundreds of Batman comics. It doesn't make your argument any less absurd. BTW, thanks for assuming I've never read a single Batman comic, Einstein. It makes you look real smart. You don't know me, "amigo", so I suggest you STFU about what I do. Oh, and I'm not your 'friend' by any stretch of the imagination, so it'd be better if you don't use that term loosely hereafter.
Whiteharted
Whiteharted - 8/29/2010, 2:05 PM
To the guy who wrote the article: you missed someone: The Green Goblin.
Dynamo
Dynamo - 8/29/2010, 3:11 PM
@Anil Rickly
I have read both and I'm basing my opinions on all the comics I've read about Batman.
Now to answer your question about family, first of all people like Robin and Batgirl knew the risk of crime fighting and they're castualties of such. Batman knew it was a risk when inducting them so he is also to blame for their saftey. Second, yes my family are more important to me than strangers like you, but ALL OF REALITY?
Also, coming from someone whose lost close members of their family as well as someone who's had friends who were murdered; I don't agree with killing. I'm not a supporter of the death penalty and I don't believe in an eye for and eye when it comes to death.
That also extends to my morality in heroism. My heroes don't kill people. Especially with people like Batman who's on edge all the time.
If he kills Joker for a personal grudge besides saving the universe, he can fall into an abyss of rage. Hunting down and killing criminals. And now in the DCU in which criminals are looking out for eachother it could start a wave of escalation.

And last of all, Superman shouldn't kill Darkseid. The entire point of Superman is that he NEVER kills people.

P.S Final Crisis sucks.
DEADPOOLX00
DEADPOOLX00 - 8/29/2010, 4:08 PM
man if i waz batman i would take harley quinn2 my batcave all day every day:)
flames809
flames809 - 8/29/2010, 8:38 PM
hard question. if i was batman i would kill the joker if he passes the line as you said killing someone close to you but i would do it in a area without cops.
flames809
flames809 - 8/29/2010, 8:45 PM
hard question. if i was batman i would kill the joker if he passes the line as you said killing someone close to you but i would do it in a area without cops.
Thekevin
Thekevin - 8/30/2010, 4:55 AM
WOW! You guys got some pretty interesting Answers. and as for as "Whiteharted" is concerned I'm not really a Marvel Comics fan so I'm really not too familiar with The Green Goblin. But heres what I'm saying I'm not saying for batman to kill joker for personal grudges. I'm saying do what has to be done to protect the people of Gotham. Keeping him on the streets is a bad Idea. Locking him in Arkum isn't working. I'm thinking realistically as the joker was real. If you're a fan of Batman,you shouldn't be dissapointed or Think it was lame that Batman did something he'd swore he'd never do. I'm a fan of Batman and If they came up with serious Issue where he finally killed the Joker I would buy that book and so would all of you. Commissioner Gordon wouldn't blame him, The citizens of Gotham wouldn't look down on him and I wouldn't stop being a fan. Though he broke his moral code, He did what needed to be done.
flames809
flames809 - 8/30/2010, 5:47 AM
kevin- you said it right. joker has to die someday.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 8/30/2010, 6:42 AM
The age old question! Of course he can never kill him, or should kill him, cos then there would be no Joker! Batman needs him the same way J needs bats. But who knows. In TDKR he resigns to finally do it but Joker robs him of it by killing himself.
flames809
flames809 - 8/30/2010, 6:54 AM
ror- so hes finally dead?
TesDaGreat
TesDaGreat - 8/31/2010, 7:03 AM
You cant kill me!
TesDaGreat
TesDaGreat - 8/31/2010, 7:03 AM
kyle
kyle - 8/31/2010, 1:48 PM
or maybe writers wudn't know where to go without these villians. even when coming up with new ones, it'd be the same. only in movies are they allow to die, but in comics i don't think it's wise. honestly, in bat 3 originally joker wud've died after his trial and harley quinn wanting to be someone else. RIP HEATH LEDGER.
felixxx
felixxx - 9/1/2010, 11:15 PM
You know, he wouldnt have to kill him. He could just break somthing that either paralyze him or make him brain dead. Case closed
MassExecutions
MassExecutions - 9/2/2010, 3:07 PM
If the Joker really escaped from captivity every time, and really never got the death sentence, then of course I would kill him. Not just based on some argument that it was just based on his past actions, but because of the high likelihood of him causing future harm.

And, as to the argument that killing the Joker would make Batman as bad as him, THAT is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever heard. Killing one unrepentant incurable psychopath that has killed hundreds (thousands?) of innocent people and intends to continue doing so makes you the EQUIVALENT of said psychopath?

I think not.
MassExecutions
MassExecutions - 9/2/2010, 3:13 PM
@Angelus - I can't believe you are quoting Nietzche on this. Advocate of the Uberman? Inspiration for Nazism? I'm pretty sure he would have a dozen arguments FOR killing the Joker, and probably for Batman taking over the world.
TheDarqueOne
TheDarqueOne - 9/3/2010, 8:01 PM
In a lot of ways the mainstream comics have been frozen in time since the very beginning. Since comics are usually a monthly publication any Hero's timeline covers a whole lot of years. Far too many events for any realistic span of time.

Batman started in 1939 which is 71 years. Bruce has maybe aged 20 years in that time. But of course the setting of the comics themselves move forward at almost a normal pace.

Batman believes that if he begins to kill he will not stop. This is the basis of his character but also required by the form of his adventures. Killing the Joker would end one of the most popular characters in DC history.

If you put Batman into any sort of realistic world setting/background then it is hard to argue against killing the clown-faced one. Most people have some sort of line but eventually if you kill enough people anybody who gets a shot is obligated to take you down. 10, 100, 1000? At some point Batman would have to end it just to remain human.

Police officers the world over deal with this very problem, and the aftermath. I have no doubt Batman would too but it would change him forever as well.
NerdyDarkPassenger
NerdyDarkPassenger - 10/7/2010, 7:12 AM
This is the first comment I'm posting. Its great to finally join the cbm forum. Hey all!
No I wouldnt be able to kill the Joker no matter what hes done.
@Anil Ricky So you want to go at it from a comics point of view, which is fine, but most of the concept of 'Under the Red Hood' was based on a story in the comics which it sticks pretty close to. What Batman says in there to Jason Todd on why he wont do it is a pretty accurate reason in my opinion.
Also Batman isnt like any normal human being. His sanity is in question (I mean he dresses up like a bat!) so for him to say that it wouldnt turn out well for him if he kills out of cold blood is realistic fear for himself and the safety of others.
MONTEZ
MONTEZ - 11/17/2010, 12:22 PM
no, part of what makes batman so great is the fact that he has a strict moral code and sticks to that code. to kill the joker would mean going against who he is. yes joker does not play by the same rules as batman but that is what makes them so great.
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