THE BATMAN: HBO Max Releases The Movie's Insane Batmobile Chase Scene In 5-Minute Clip

@TheWalkingCuban - Same, also riddler and catwoman were meh for me.

@Origame - certainly looks like Joker takes the spotlight so yeah probably right

@Repian -

@Spock0Clock - I have to disagree. I think some of the major issues with the movie is it feels a bit confused on how they want to interpret Batman.

Within it's opening it both paints Batman as this feared mythical figure but also someone no one knows. The legend also paints him as this creature that preys on those that do crime like as I said some sort of mythical figure yet most of the time he's just casually walking out of the shadows and punching people rather than picking them off leaving them to wonder wth happened.

He's both really smart (able to figure out most clues) but doesn't actually prevent any disasters using his intellect aside from limiting the causalities at the end of the movie.

He's as I said mostly shown has someone who doesn't really do stealth yet halfway in the movie he starts to disappear like a ninja at times. His tech ranges from unbelievable to incredibly basic and his strategic thinking is shown to be complex in taking down enemies but also completely narrowminded (this chase scene a prime example).

Don't get me wrong I have no problem watching a more proto Batman who's still learning but the whole movies seems unsure of if that's what they want to do. Outside of that it does what I dislike about the Nolan films and grounds the characters too much. I can't imagine seeing Killer Croc, Mister Freeze, Clayface, Poison Ivy, Solomon Grundy, Mad Hatter, etc in this franchise without completely rewriting those characters to be not those characters which is exactly what they did to Penguin and Riddler (albeit less so for the Riddler).

All that aside I still very much enjoyed the movie I just wish the nailed down that aspect as well as allowed a bit more fantastical elements to shine through. The scenes were shot beautifully, the acting was top notch, the effects looked great, and story albeit a bit basic worked as a through line that kept me interested even if it wasn't exactly what I wanted from these characters. Also finally having Batman actually be a detective put it leaps and bounds ahead of most of the Batman movies for me.

@Spock0Clock - It was mainly just this I disagreed with and just speaking on this movie I wish they just focused a bit more on the type of Batman they were going for. Newbie or Mythical Figure cause the movie is conflicted on that.

"The script palpably struggled with all of these stereotypical elements of Batman, reluctant to casually justify them (as he is casually justified in other adaptations). I saw the struggle, but I didn't appreciate why it struggled: it was because they didn't take those Batman themes for granted. They tried to earn every bit of it."

I largely agree with you on everything else though. That most of these issues could be easily fixed in an inevitable sequel or at least more defined and start to branch out. For that reason I would also be perfectly fine with this movie setting the stage for a new DCU. (Just don't try to make all the movies in this same tone thank you, not every character is Batman XD)

@Spock0Clock - It's surprising given how grimy and dark everything is in the film, but this is the first Batman I could see putting on blue instead of black and having a kid Robin. He tried to be the brooding, gritty crusader who brutally beats down men and scares the people he's supposed to save, but he's more useful as someone helping disaster victims.

I too really preferred it on second viewing. I liked how Batman fails essentially. He stops the Riddler wannabes in their own outfits (the modern equivalent of the 60s show henchmen) but not the flooding. He's a work in progress who starts the movie being an asshole to Alfred and later realizes how much he means to him.

I wouldn't have guessed this going in, but this is a Batman I could see evolving into the self-confidence, assurance, and swagger of Adam West or Grant Morrison's Batman, one who learns family and partnership and staying two steps ahead of everybody else.

@Havenless - i would certainly say theres room for improvement. BvS is the only film that captured the energy and power a Batman fight should have, but that scene is so devisive. Hopefully they will bring in a more interesting action designer for the sequel to raise the bar.

@WakandanQueen - You said what?!

Blocked. Reported. Banned.

@WakandanQueen - You said something positive about a DC movie, that's taboo here.