THE BATMAN PART II - Is It Time For Warner Bros. (And DC Studios) To Move On From The DC Franchise?

THE BATMAN PART II - Is It Time For Warner Bros. (And DC Studios) To Move On From The DC Franchise?

As rumours continue to swirl about yet another delay for The Batman Part II, it's hard not to wonder whether now would be a good time for Warner Bros. (and DC Studios) to move on from the franchise...

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By JoshWilding - Apr 11, 2025 02:04 PM EST
Filed Under: The Batman

As speculation continues to run rampant about the future of The Batman franchise, it feels like Warner Bros. and DC Studios are nearing a crossroads. 

Regardless of what's caused the delays, the simple fact is that Matt Reeves' "Bat-Verse" has stalled and doesn't appear to be going anywhere fast. Robert Pattinson isn't getting any younger, and at the same time, DC Studios' James Gunn and Peter Safran are attempting to relaunch a brand in desperate need of a refresh. 

Now, it's time to make a decision about where Batman goes from here. Should two Bruce Waynes inhabit theaters at the same time? Should the DCU or "Bat-Verse" be a priority? We're taking a closer look at those questions and more while taking a deep dive into whether it's time to move on from The Batman Part II ahead of its supposed 2027 release. 

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5. The Moment Has Passed

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This may seem like an odd thing to say so soon after The Penguin premiered and received widespread acclaim, but it does feel like The Batman Part II's time has been and gone.

The first movie was released in 2022 and took a new approach to the Caped Crusader by setting the story in "Year 2" of Bruce Wayne's career as a vigilante. It felt like a relatively standalone tale, likely explaining why that scene with The Joker ended up on the cutting room floor. 

It's been over three years since The Batman was released, and by the time the sequel comes out, half a decade will have passed. That's far from the end of the world, but the DC Universe has moved on in more ways than one, and the desire to see this story continue has faded. 

Neither The Batman nor The Penguin ended with a cliffhanger as such, so if all we get is the hero's battle with The Riddler and an extended origin story for "Oz" Cobb, it's not exactly a #RestoreTheSnyderVerse situation. 
 

4. Elseworlds Feels Like A Disaster In The Making

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So, DC Studios' big idea is for stories set outside of the DCU to be labelled "Elseworlds." We've yet to see that concept in action, though it feels an awful lot like Spider-Man being in the MCU while many of his villains inhabit Sony's Marvel Universe. 

A complete mess, in other words. 

When it became clear that Ben Affleck had no interest in donning the cape and cowl beyond the odd cameo, it made sense to launch a new standalone franchise like The Batman without any DCEU baggage. Since then, DC Studios has set out to create a shared DCU, and that's why The Brave and the Bold is in the works. 

We'll expand on this point more below, but expecting general audiences to follow the stories of both Pattinson's Batman and another version who trains his son as Robin and hangs out with Superman muddies the waters and surely won't benefit either franchise. 
 

3. DC Doesn't Need More Than One Batman

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It says a lot that not even Sony Pictures was foolish enough to introduce a second live-action Spider-Man in its "spin-off" movies.

Admittedly, audiences aren't dumb and can differentiate between two different versions of the same character. Even so, there's a reason Superman & Lois was quickly wrapped up before Superman's release this summer. 

Having multiple versions of a superhero inhabiting that live-action space at the same time dilutes the brand and leads to comparisons that no studio wants or needs (critics already can't help themselves from comparing every Star Wars project to movies released decades ago). 

Even from a storytelling perspective, what are we looking at here? A dark, moody "rookie" Batman and a far more experienced Batman who's a father? They sound pretty different on paper, but they're fundamentally the same character: Spider-Man in his mid-20s, for example, ain't all that different from Spidey in his teens, folks. 
 

2. It Makes More Sense To Add Robert Pattinson To The DCU

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Despite being a reboot, the DCU is picking and choosing actors and characters from the past, including John Cena's Peacemaker and Viola Davis' Amanda Waller. As a result, it wouldn't be remotely difficult to make it so that Pattinson's Batman is this new shared world's Dark Knight.

There was nothing in The Batman that necessarily contradicts what Gunn is planning. Retroactively making a critical and commercial hit the first DCU movie would get this franchise off to the right start alongside this summer's Superman.

Reeves will also need to be open to incorporating a wider universe into his stories but can still keep this franchise relatively standalone. Superman doesn't need to drop in frequently, and Gotham can be a city patrolled by just one lone vigilante if needs be. Then again, Pattinson could play a much older version of Bruce Wayne too.  

The actor would have to be convinced to make at least the odd appearance in other projects. However, Batman doesn't have to be a member of the Justice League and can be used very sparingly, treated as more of an urban myth than a widely known "superhero."
 

1. The DCU Should Be A Priority

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No matter how many social media scoopers vaguely allude to it, we still have no idea what the cause is for The Batman Part II's delay. It could be creative issues or something far more personal; either way, the movie is taking a long time to get here (if it is the latter, we wish Reeves all the best).

We can't say for sure whether The Batman is what's seemingly led to work on The Brave and the Bold being slowed down, but DC Studios needs to be prioritising that and the DCU. Leaving this character on the shelf isn't good for the DC brand and does little to help a studio that's attempting to undo years of damage caused by feckless Warner Bros. executives. 

Batman is DC's biggest draw, and the franchise would benefit greatly from him showing up. The next couple of years will see the studio lean on characters like Clayface and Sgt. Rock to carry the DCU, and that's a huge risk. 

Gunn is attempting to build a new shared world that can rival the MCU. To do that, he needs Batman at his disposal and front and centre in the DCU.
 

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asherman93
asherman93 - 4/11/2025, 2:17 PM
The Dark Knight Rises came out FOUR YEARS after The Dark Knight. This is literally just a normal amount of wait-time for most sequels.

I'd rather have Reeves take his time to give us something good than rush and mess it all up.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/11/2025, 2:41 PM
@asherman93 - yep

It’s pretty the usual maximum wait time for a sequel.
prettynucIear
prettynucIear - 4/11/2025, 2:50 PM
@asherman93 - Nolan directed a whole other movie before that: Inception. Also, Reeves became the new Batman director in 2017. He's had five years to make The Batman and think of sequel ideas.
asherman93
asherman93 - 4/11/2025, 3:00 PM
@prettynucIear - And those five years involved two regime changes at the studio, a switch from spin-off to reboot, and a [frick]ing pandemic.
Plus, we've at least gotten The Penguin series since then, so its not like we're that starved for choice.
prettynucIear
prettynucIear - 4/11/2025, 3:27 PM
@asherman93 - Penguin was handled by another creative team. Actually they should be making Batman 2 because they work way faster.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/11/2025, 3:46 PM
@asherman93 - Those five years did not include any other version of Batman on the big screen at all. There was a couple of easter eggs in Man of Steel and that was it (and one of them was a Nolanverse easter egg).

There was going to be a Justice League movie from George Miller with a different Batman. Nolan put a stop to it, knowing it would hurt the brand to have two separate Batmen on the big screen.
krayzeman
krayzeman - 4/11/2025, 2:25 PM
If there wasnt a DCU in effect and we were just waiting for a Batman sequel then I would wholeheartedly say "wait for Reeves." But it's not and Reeves doesnt own Batman. Warner Bros. does. Time to get this universe moving with it's main draw in it. The Batman essentially is just Nolan's Dark Knight redone with no other superheroes existing. We're all gonna be old and gray before they can get this right. smh
Shivermetimbers
Shivermetimbers - 4/11/2025, 4:00 PM
@krayzeman - I'm with you on this one. As much as I liked the Batman movie with Pattenson, and would like another one, it just doesnt make sense to keep two different Batman stories going. Either keep Pattinson and have him play the role in the DCU or recast and end the Reeves story IMO
Vox89
Vox89 - 4/11/2025, 8:30 PM
@krayzeman - That sums up how I felt about The Batman. I enjoyed it overall but a solo Batman/early years Batman fighting an incredibly unconventional version of The Riddler is not remotely what I want in a series of Batman films at this point. It's 150% time do the connected DC universe/bat-family version. And getting rid of the headache of having two different series of Batman movies existing at the same time is only going to make things better for everyone.
Pictilli
Pictilli - 4/11/2025, 2:28 PM
Be crazy if The Batman is a one hit wonder... the On Her Majesty's Secret Service of Batman films. But stranger things have happened
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 4/11/2025, 2:43 PM
@Pictilli -

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Pictilli
Pictilli - 4/11/2025, 9:12 PM
@Nomis929 - perfect usage
Nomis929
Nomis929 - 4/11/2025, 2:31 PM
The Penguin mini series gave this movie's sequel the momentum it needed for them moving forward with it.

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#JusticeforVic
JurassicClunge
JurassicClunge - 4/11/2025, 2:31 PM
It's the only Good comicbook franchise they got going atm.

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ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/11/2025, 3:49 PM
@JurassicClunge - atm I agree. But who knows what Superman will be like when it drops.
Biggums
Biggums - 4/11/2025, 7:09 PM
@JurassicClunge - makes sense they're sitting not knowing how to act. They don't wanna screw it up. Again.
soberchimera
soberchimera - 4/11/2025, 2:32 PM
I’m way more interested in seeing Reeves’ version of Batman than Gunn’s. I’d prefer Batman not making quirky jokes that awkwardly derail the serious tone of a scene.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 4/11/2025, 3:33 PM
@soberchimera - right there with ya bud
McMurdo
McMurdo - 4/11/2025, 3:54 PM
@soberchimera - I'd prefer a competent detective who can handle a group of teenagers, personally. Reeves' Batman needed a guy with an uncle in the carpet laying business to figure out Riddler's big plan and he missed the sole angle of all the iceberg lounge photos, the type of important clue any basic beat cop doesn't miss, a clue that woulda led him and the police to Riddlers apartment so much earlier in the story. Reeves Batman was incompetent and failed at everything but solving some hallmark cards. It made no sense why he was being allowed into crime scenes for murdered politicians.
soberchimera
soberchimera - 4/11/2025, 4:06 PM
@McMurdo - Yeah, but he was still serious!
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McMurdo
McMurdo - 4/11/2025, 4:25 PM
@soberchimera - lol touche
Superheroking
Superheroking - 4/11/2025, 2:37 PM
I think Gunn is deliberately sabotaging this.

I don’t believe Reeves is having a hard time cracking the script. Gunn is probably forcing him to tie this into the DCU and Reeves doesn’t want that. So that’s why it keeps getting delayed until it’s cancelled altogether
TrentCrimm
TrentCrimm - 4/11/2025, 2:41 PM
@Superheroking -

Why would he deliberately sabotage the movie?
soberchimera
soberchimera - 4/11/2025, 2:58 PM
@TrentCrimm - Because he wants to introduce the DCU version of Batman.
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TrentCrimm
TrentCrimm - 4/11/2025, 3:22 PM
@soberchimera -

He's in charge, he doesn't need to "sabotage" anything, he can just cancel it for whatever reason he wants to make up. Stop reaching for a conspiracy where there isn't one.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 4/11/2025, 3:47 PM
@Superheroking - Gunn doesn't want Pattinson for DCU Bats. There's a reason Batman's sillouette in Creature Commandos was burley. Reeves simply hasn't turned in a first draft.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 4/11/2025, 3:48 PM
@soberchimera - copium
McMurdo
McMurdo - 4/11/2025, 3:50 PM
@TrentCrimm - they can't handle reality so it's easier to blame Gunn. Reeves can't possibly be struggling to write the sequel to his first film for which he never adapted Bruce Wayne in the first place! How can that be possible?!?!
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/11/2025, 3:52 PM
@TrentCrimm - There may be contractual red tape from the WB era tying Gunn's hands behind his back.
TrentCrimm
TrentCrimm - 4/11/2025, 3:59 PM
@McMurdo -
I don't think he's struggling for creative reasons, personally I believe the rumors that Reeves or someone close to him is going through a rough medical time.

@ObserverIO

Could be for sure, it could just be a professional courtesy move too. Gunn showing respect for a colleague who's put a lot of time and passion into something, and trying to find a way to do his own thing while still letting Reeves finish his work and see it through.
soberchimera
soberchimera - 4/11/2025, 4:05 PM
@TrentCrimm - Maybe he doesn’t want the public to see him as a tyrant? He obviously cares about his public image and celebrity status as DCU head judging by that Shaq commercial.
soberchimera
soberchimera - 4/11/2025, 4:08 PM
@McMurdo -
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soberchimera
soberchimera - 4/11/2025, 4:11 PM
@ObserverIO -
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McMurdo
McMurdo - 4/11/2025, 4:25 PM
@TrentCrimm - I think it's more likely both. I don't doubt he's got stuff happening behind the scenes but I don't believe he had a strong idea for how to develop Bruce Wayne after part 1 where he actually now has to write for that side of the character. Hope I'm wrong tho and it is all just personal issues, despite that being awful for him of course....but my concern is he blew his load on part 1. I don't think personal issues keep you from turning in at the very least a first draft for this long. There's more to it than that is my guess.
MCUKnight11
MCUKnight11 - 4/11/2025, 2:41 PM
For what it's worth, I'd rather watch Part 2 then all of the DCU.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/11/2025, 2:56 PM
@MCUKnight11 - it’s equal for me

I have liked Reeves universe a lot so far but I’m also intrigued to see how the DCU shapes up also as someone who has liked what they have seen & heard about it so far pretty much!!.
soberchimera
soberchimera - 4/11/2025, 4:19 PM
@MCUKnight11 - How could you not be stoked for the lumpy Superman outfit, a disheveled Hal being shown the door, and a standalone Clayface movie people have been begging for for decades?
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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 4/11/2025, 2:44 PM
no
ferf
ferf - 4/11/2025, 2:47 PM
Just move on from it
THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 4/11/2025, 2:47 PM
Is this a trick question?

[frick]ing hell, this is all bollocks.

Bollocks.

So [frick] off with this stupid question

For [frick]s sake
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