THE PENGUIN Poll And Spoiler Discussion: What Did You Make Of HBO's THE BATMAN Spin-Off Series?

THE PENGUIN Poll And Spoiler Discussion: What Did You Make Of HBO's THE BATMAN Spin-Off Series?

The Penguin finished up with a shocking final episode this last Sunday, and we want to know what CBM's readers made of HBO's The Batman spin-off series overall...

By MarkCassidy - Nov 12, 2024 04:11 PM EST
Filed Under: The Batman

There was quite a bit of anticipation for The Penguin following the massive success and popularity of The Batman, but we're not sure anyone was expecting the HBO series to strike such a chord with viewers, and a lot of fans seem to feel that the show might actually better than Matt Reeves' film.

Not everyone was won over, however, and some have criticised the violent spin-off for attempting to emulate other villain-focused crime dramas such as The Sopranos and Breaking Bad(?), while falling short.

Others are of the opinion that The Penguin never really felt like it was playing out in the same universe as The Batman, and that an appearance from (or even a couple of mentions of) the Dark Knight would have helped to establish a similar tone.

The Penguin's finale episode, "A Great or Little Thing," aired on Sunday, and the show concluded with Oz Cobb finally ascending to the top of Gotham's criminal underworld after sending Sofia Falcone back to Arkham and ruthlessly killing his loyal protégé, Victor.

Oz now believes he's untouchable, but the final shot of the Bat-Signal illuminating the skyline makes it clear that the Caped Crusader will soon be paying him a visit.

We want to know what you made of this first season (more have been discussed, but not confirmed) of The Penguin, so be sure to vote in the poll at the link below.

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The Penguin stars Colin Farrell (Oz Cobb), Cristin Milioti (Sofia Falcone), Rhenzy Feliz (Victor Aguilar), Michael Kelly (Johnny Viti), Shohreh Aghdashloo (Nadia Maroni), Deirdre O’Connell (Francis Cobb), Clancy Brown (Salvatore Maroni), James Madio (Milos Grapa), Scott Cohen (Luca Falcone), Michael Zegen (Alberto Falcone), Carmen Ejogo (Eve Karlo), and Theo Rossi (Dr. Julian Rush).

The eight-episode DC Studios drama series continues The Batman epic crime saga that filmmaker Matt Reeves began with Warner Bros. Pictures’ global blockbuster The Batman, and centers on the character played by Farrell in the film.

The series is executive produced by Matt Reeves, Dylan Clark, Colin Farrell, Lauren LeFranc, who writes and serves as showrunner, Craig Zobel, who directs the first three episodes, and Bill Carraro. Based on characters created for DC by Bob Kane with Bill Finger, the show is produced by Reeves’ 6th & Idaho Productions and Dylan Clark Productions in association with Warner Bros. Television, where Reeves and 6th & Idaho are under an overall deal. Daniel Pipski also serves as executive producer.

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MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 11/12/2024, 4:32 PM
So, are people still complaining that he's not the real Penguin cause his last name is Cobb?
fanboy03191
fanboy03191 - 11/12/2024, 4:38 PM
@MosquitoFarmer - Hey families shorten names all the time. I still maintain it was Cobblepot in his family’s past.
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 11/12/2024, 5:24 PM
@fanboy03191 - I just find it silly that people pick on something so overall minute when the show, and Farrell in particular, was so good.
fanboy03191
fanboy03191 - 11/12/2024, 5:28 PM
@MosquitoFarmer - Ah. Yeah. Personally I don’t like the change but it didn’t affect my enjoyment of what is a great addition to Batman mythology.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 11/12/2024, 5:29 PM
@MosquitoFarmer - its still Cobblepott ...for a man so insecure of what people thinks of him makes sense to shorten his name to something more maga
NonPlayerC
NonPlayerC - 11/12/2024, 7:51 PM
@MosquitoFarmer - yeah it didn’t ruin the show for me but every time it was mentioned it just threw me out of the moment. Instead of staying engrossed in the show I just had a split second “why’d they change it thought”. I agree it’s silly but I also think it’s silly to change it in the first place. The only thing I didn’t like about the show is they went so hard on the mommy issues, but overall it was great. One of the better shows I’ve watched this year
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 11/12/2024, 8:31 PM
@MosquitoFarmer - I haven't seen much ado about the name. I don't think it's a big deal at all. Perhaps even, better to shorten it than go with the original.
OriginalGusto1
OriginalGusto1 - 11/12/2024, 8:49 PM
@Malatrova15 - Winner?
TrentCrimm
TrentCrimm - 11/12/2024, 9:31 PM
@MosquitoFarmer -

The show was brilliant, the name change is still stupid though.

Oz Cobb just sounds dumb to say out loud, it doesn't flow right, and there was no legitimate reason to change it. I'll die on this hill.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 11/12/2024, 9:55 PM
@OriginalGusto1 - Cant stop winning....a real warlock this fella.
solskulldeath
solskulldeath - 11/13/2024, 12:28 AM
@NonPlayerC - it's easy. you wont say it full name "cobblepot" since it is so tiresome to say it...you simply say it just "cobb". one word only
SpaceAgent
SpaceAgent - 11/13/2024, 5:16 AM
@MosquitoFarmer - They are gonna put in a scene, where he legally changes his last name to make him look more posh to the politicians but he'll despise it.

So he's Cobb in the streets but Cobblepot in the meets.

Calling it now.
The1st
The1st - 11/13/2024, 6:41 AM
@Malatrova15 - What's maga about it exactly?
SATW42
SATW42 - 11/13/2024, 8:59 AM
@TrentCrimm - It's not Oz Cobb though, it's Oswald Cobb, and everyone just calls him Oz. I don't think the word's "Oz Cobb" were ever uttered even once
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 11/13/2024, 10:12 AM
@The1st - cool hats mostly.
NonPlayerC
NonPlayerC - 11/13/2024, 12:19 PM
@solskulldeath - we’ll call me old but I don’t like the constant shortening of every word and I’m more of an originalist. As someone that grew up reading Batman with cobblepot it just sounds wrong. It’s like saying why not shorten Bruce Wayne to Bruce Way. It doesn’t serve a point and just throws off fans that are invested. In no way did it destroy the show just takes me out of the episode for a brief second for no reason. It’s the little things. I also prefer older full names, like why name a kid Ben when you can name them Benjamin and they can just go by Ben. My name is Neal after my great grandfather Cornelius and would have much rather led been named the full Cornelius. Maybe I’m just weird
solskulldeath
solskulldeath - 11/13/2024, 8:23 PM
@NonPlayerC - Wayne ia the word you can say once. Cobble-pot you have to say two words in one go.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 11/12/2024, 4:33 PM
It was fantastic with far better writing and characterization than The Batman. Lauren Lefranc is just a better writer than Reeves and she really shoulda co wrote his sequel so we don't simply end up with more of the same.
CAPTAINPINKEYE
CAPTAINPINKEYE - 11/12/2024, 7:26 PM
@McMurdo - I think you just need to cope harder and everything will be all right.
😜

And that’s how that’s done.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 11/13/2024, 1:34 PM
@CAPTAINPINKEYE - don't let a comment from a couple days ago rustle your jimmies baby. It's a new day!
TehJoker
TehJoker - 11/13/2024, 4:04 PM
@McMurdo - Common mcmurdo bad take. Every single day im on here you say something even worse. Such a charny fella. You say these awful takes confidently, as if thry are clever, but they aint. Awwwgh im just gonna say, they suck. You want to be a intellectual so bad. Ynenenenenhht]sidnisjndkjsn. Hrmmmph. BUT YOU CAAAAAAANT
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 11/12/2024, 4:39 PM
It's going to be super hard for me to see another director take on these villains and protagonists. I really wish The Batman was part of the DCU. But it's realism is what will steer it away from that franchise.

The show runner, writers and cast all did fanatstic and I never thought The Penguin would become a fan favorite Batman villain .

I'm really looking forward to the Two-Face series next.
DENNISsystem
DENNISsystem - 11/12/2024, 4:41 PM
@TheRationalNerd - they’re gonna have to take some serious liberties with his origin since they can’t use Salvatore Maroni anymore because..reasons.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/12/2024, 6:58 PM
@TheRationalNerd - people think that because one thing is grounded, gritty and realistic that it can't exist in a universe where silly, unrealistic things happen in other movies and shows.

You could have The Batman and Penguin be canon to the DCU and never once have anything fantastic happen in any of The Batman Crime Saga. It doesn't have to effect the grounded realism of those things at all.

People just can't see how they can co-exist. They obviously don't read comics.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 11/12/2024, 8:39 PM
@TheRationalNerd - I remember reading Detective Comics, Batman, and watching TDk in same year, and being pleasantly surprised by each story told from each area of work.

To the point: There CAN be simultaneously successful versions of the Batman without needing to become conjoined.

I believe it can work better because you don't have to hinder one character trait in the Reevesverse, to fit into the Gunnverse.

As long as the story is solid, intrrsting, and closely relates to the mythos, let boff'umn go full throttle. 🪙 🪙
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 11/12/2024, 9:04 PM
@ObserverIO - Great points and I agree. Having read Batman Year One, the Long Halloween trilogy, Batman Hush, Court of Owls, Knightfall etc. all of these comics actually showcase how fantastical Batman's universe is. The bigger question is how to bring in Pattison's grounded Batman into the fanststsical world of the DCU if there aren't even fantastical elements in Reeves trilogy? (at least what we can see for now that is) Reeves himself has stated that his universe will almost hit the fantastical but won't go completely there. Only way I see that happening is if a new director takes on the next trilogy for Pattison's Batman.

We also have to consider if they'll cancel Brave and the Bold.
TheRationalNerd
TheRationalNerd - 11/12/2024, 9:16 PM
@KennKathleen - Very well said. You're absolutely right. I do feel that if they just give the two the same respects then you're in for something great.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/13/2024, 5:12 AM
@TheRationalNerd - Year One however wasn't fantastical, it was gritty and grounded, yet exists in the same universe as the rest of those books.

And we don't even really have to look at comics. The MCU starts with a film like Iron Man, completely tech based and feasible, then it reaches the heights of the Avengers movies and then goes back down to The Winter Soldier. And they never had to mention aliens and talking raccoons in the movie.

Pattinson's Batman could be introduced in another non-Matt Reeves DCU movie and interact with the goofier side of that universe and then the next time we see him in a Matt Reeves project he never has to mention it, so it won't spoil the grounded reality of Crime Saga that Matt Reeves is telling and our suspension of disbelief.

I think if they do do it, they should keep the stories on separate slates. Like have a Gods and Monsters slate and a The Batman Crime Saga slate.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/13/2024, 5:17 AM
@KennKathleen - We've never really had an example of two successful versions simultaneously existing in the movies though. The Batman was a relative success but then The Flash flopped. And Joker 2 flopped.

Joker 1 was a success but then Birds of Prey flopped.

Snow White and the Huntsman was a success but Mirror, Mirror flopped. Clash of the Titans was a success, but Percy Jackson flopped.

The audience will pick a version, usually.
GarthRanzz
GarthRanzz - 11/13/2024, 10:33 AM
@ObserverIO - My biggest problem with Winter Soldier is the lack of Iron Man though. Hydra is going to kill millions using Stark's technology which by the way makes no sense falling the events of Iron Man 2 and Steve doesn't ever try to reach Tony for his help. If Captain America fails and millions die it's because Steve never got a hold of Tony. I wish the Arrowverse never happened. I hated what it did to Arrow. At the end of Season 3 they get saved by the Flash. It destroyed the gritty realism of Arrow to me.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/13/2024, 12:17 PM
@GarthRanzz -
I can see how Flash turning up at the end of Season 3 of Arrow ruins the gritty realism, but if there aren't any metahumans or sci-fi/fantasy elements then it wouldn't ruin it. It could still be part of the same universe and retain that gritty realism.

Same for The Batman Crime Saga. As long as you don't include Superman flying in and saving the day, it won't ruin it. You could never even mention anything fantastic, never even acknowledge that any of that stuff even exists.

Battinson could still show up in Superman, like Arrow showed up in The Flash and it wouldn't affect the Crime Saga.

Also, that is a really good point about Winter Soldier.
KennKathleen
KennKathleen - 11/13/2024, 12:26 PM
@ObserverIO - That's the beauty of it! It CAN be a somewhat original concept, that'll give room for both "Batman's" to breathe.

If done properly, we could one day see the Crisis concept, beautifully displayed in film.

Worst case scenario- they follow a blueprint that DC has already laid, while distancing themselves from MARVEL style films.

Think about it...

Both MARVEL and DC have put out two or more comics on the same hero. Sometimes they connect, sometimes they don't.

I believe DC would do well to keep the disconnect. Focus on making the best story possible this time, and not on the next story's potential, at least until post production.

🪙 🪙
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 11/13/2024, 1:43 PM
@ObserverIO - you are rigth ... Peter Dinklage should be casted as BatMite
DocSpock
DocSpock - 11/12/2024, 4:42 PM

I think this show was excellent. I liked it better than the movie by far. I wish they would hand another character over to this writing/directing team. Hugo Strange maybe.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 11/12/2024, 5:33 PM
@DocSpock - no...they should do Snowflame, more on Gunn's habits
DocSpock
DocSpock - 11/12/2024, 7:38 PM
@Malatrova15 -

Voted on the worst comic book villain list. Good job.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 11/12/2024, 8:13 PM
@DocSpock - voting means nothing, i though you know that by now brosky
DocSpock
DocSpock - 11/12/2024, 8:15 PM
@Malatrova15 -

It meant EVERYTHING this time. Hee hee.
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 11/12/2024, 8:45 PM
@DocSpock - no...ammm because ..the deep state....and Q....and the Iluminatii....and..and.....Black people vote late !!!
HAUSMAN01
HAUSMAN01 - 11/12/2024, 9:53 PM
@DocSpock - @DocSpock - Agreed I'd be okay with her doing User Comment Image Hugo a plethora of Bat villains/characters Killer User Comment Image Croc,Ares User Comment Image ,Deathstroke User Comment Image ,BLACK User Comment Image MASK, Poison User Comment Image Ivy,&/or Bronze User Comment Image Tiger.
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