The Dark Knight Rises Ramblings

The Dark Knight Rises Ramblings

These are just some observations and my theories regarding The Dark Knight Rises...nothing more

Editorial Opinion
By CraptainAmerica - Dec 08, 2011 06:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman

With The Dark Knight Rises bearing down on us so quickly I've decided to fill a small space (editorial page) with the theories and observations that tangoed around my head after watching Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

I'm considering that IF Bane becomes the main focus of The Dark Knight Rises he would be mirroring Bruce's origin in batman Begins...give or take certain aspects. A child who has come through a life changing event to become what he is. A person taken under the wing of The League Of Shadows but just happened to, unlike Bruce, follow their rule. Could he be the person who could behead the criminal in his final stage of initiation? Maybe, give or take the mysterious breathing aid/venom distributor, Bane is the person Bruce would have become had he not had his principles.

In Batman Begins, The League Of Shadows wanted to "burn" Gotham and start over like they had done with "the Roman Empire" etc. So is the attack on Batman just a villainous act? I believe Batman is now protecting this city and he has become, like the police force, the enforcer of good. They are the barrier that will stop The League Of Shadows completing their task and coming full circle with Ras Al Ghul's plan from the first movie.

As far as breaking the bat I think I agree with the majority that he will be physically broken. He's finally up against somebody physically superior to himself. But I think the 'breaking' is two-fold. When watching The Dark Knight two lines from the Joker stuck out for me:

Batman "This city just showed that it's full of people ready to believe in good"

Joker "Until their spirit breaks completely. Until they get a good look at the real Harvey Dent..."

Seeing a image of Bane holding up a photo of Harvey Dent made me think that they were left to believe he died a hero, a white knight. This gives the people of Gotham, in the 8 years since The Dark Knight Rises, the courage to fight against the injustices, with Batman being the fall guy. But when it's revealed that he too was "corruptable" it forces the people of Gotham to follow the dictatorship of Bane (and whoever he is in league with).

But ruling with an iron fist leaves Gotham living in fear rather in a safe haven. This si where, I feel, the 'breaking' comes in to play. I think that the police and Batman's rising against this regime will inspire the people of Gotham to take back their city. Prior to becoming Batman in Batman Begins (on the plane flight home)Bruce said to Alfred he wanted to be a "symbol" of hope. A symbol for Gotham to know not to be afraid. This is why I think that the "Rises" is actually the people of Gotham. Batman is an ideal. A beacon for hope. He is more than a person.

It could also be to do with my second thought. An interseting character has been introduced. John Blake. In The Dark Knight, Bruce was hopeful that Harvey Dent was a person to follow through all that is good in Gotham. Although Bruce ceasing to be Batman initially had more to do with he and Rachel being together I still think he hopes for the day where he doesn't have to be Batman anymore. In The Dark Knight Rises Harvey WAS that person. Maybe John Blake is just such a character this time around. But MAYBE instead of filling Gordon's shoes MAYBE he could be the one to take over the mantle from Bruce. Maybe some of you may get your 'Robin' in a roundabout way...just not Robin. A successor. It's a brainfart but this is very plausible.

Where Catwoman stands in here I have little thought. There's the possibility that she fills in for a physically beaten Batman. Or Selina could be the reason Bruce chooses the relinquish his Batman persona (as he would he done with Rachel). 8 years is plenty enough time for Bruce to find love again. It doesn't have to be sandwiched into the movie. At the opening of The Dark Knight Rises Harvey and Rachel were already in a long term relationship.

I think that the second major villain to be featured (despite speculation over the newly released viral campaign) will be Talia. I don't think Ras Al Ghul will reappear (apart from in flashbacks to accompany Bane's origin, as was seen with Bruce in Batman Begins...hence the mirroring) as I'm not expecting Nolan to produce a magic plot twist where Ras Al Ghul survives a train crash. His position will be taken up but carried through by Talia as the the head of The League Of Shadows. It seems hideously cliched and obvious but at present it's a character and part of the story Nolan hasn't officially confirmed. Having Miranda Tate control Wayne Enterprises from the inside could lead to Bane's obtaining of the Tumbler army. An lead to infiltration from behind Gotham's own frontline.

The ending. It may end with the physical death of Batman. It may continue on as it always has been, with Bruce keeping Gotham safe. The mantle could be passed on after Bruce's death or 'retirement'. If the movie ends with the death of Bane (which is usually a big possibility) then it only serves to highlight what Bruce's fate would have been had he chosen another path.

But this installment isn't just a franchise filler. It's about finishing off, not neccessarily Batmans, but Bruce's story. It could be the symbolic 'death' of Batman where "there will (has) come a day where Gotham no longer needs Batman". Where Bruce can live on and have the closure his character needs. This is the ending I think will complete all that has proceeded it. Technically avenging the destruction of all his father stood for. Coming full circle for his reasoning for starting this journey in the first place.

Just remember from Batman Begins when Bruce returns to Gotham:

"People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy and I can't do that as Bruce Wayne, as a man I'm flesh and blood I can be ignored I can be destroyed but as a symbol, as a symbol I can be incorruptible, I can be everlasting."

Poingent and a real foundation for the beginning and ending of this story.

As far as the marketing campaign. I'm sure it all builds toward the main focus, had Bruce's life had he have taken a different route, Bane. No other villain. Just building towards that origin. So everybody is familiar with a, generally, unfamiliar character. As for the prologue, well, I think we'll get a murky introduction to the nature of this character and just what his methods are...like The Joker in The Dark Knight's opening.

I'm sure most of this has already be said and speculated over. But I'd love to hear what you guys think about my thoughts and what thoughts you have of your own. If you took the time to read...thank you.

Your Craptain salutes you!

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CraptainAmerica
CraptainAmerica - 12/8/2011, 6:28 AM
And excuse the typos!...
batters
batters - 12/8/2011, 11:23 AM
A great read. I really enjoyed these theories. Bruce seeing who he could have been by seeing a broken reflection of himself trough bane is a very interesting idea for a theme
SHHH
SHHH - 12/8/2011, 12:05 PM
Like Your Ideas...
GusGalaxy
GusGalaxy - 12/8/2011, 12:13 PM
Amazing read, I too love the ideas of a reflective Bruce on what he could have been, and what he has become, it makes the mirroring of him with Bane so much more compelling and essential to bring Bruce closure to this story, and this closure I think would be vital to the trilogy on much greater levels than what is being revealed.. The death of Bane makes an intriguing thought, a horrifying thing to see but also a bit of relief coming from Bruce it seems like it would be.. I think he really achieves his mission in this film, and I hope he lives through the end to see the symbol he created RISE to where he wants it to be, and again, I think it's truly essential to the character on so many different levels, you know? I just hope he lives on to reflect on finally seeing that symbol of the dark knight rise, to live on, knowing he made the difference no one else would..
MercMatt
MercMatt - 12/8/2011, 3:00 PM
Great read. These are some very good and possible ideas.
Deschain
Deschain - 12/8/2011, 3:20 PM
this trilogy is ending on 'mini bane' and catwoman?? Please kill batman at the end, it deserves to die
wedontdie
wedontdie - 12/8/2011, 9:53 PM
awesome theories on how it all comes together in the end. I believe that Batman Begins was about fears and revenge because he wanted to kill the guy that killed his parents! The dark knight was about decisions like to wether kill or to not kill, and a little bit about chaos! and the dark knight rises is all about chaos! I felt like the riddler should have been in this movie because he's more of a mastermind, plus riddles sound more like nolans style! Bane is a henchman with extra strong steriods.
CraptainAmerica
CraptainAmerica - 12/9/2011, 12:53 AM
Well Andrew1...I think you should pull your finger out and make this into an editorial on its own! Absolutely brilliant read! I feel outdone...
CraptainAmerica
CraptainAmerica - 12/9/2011, 2:42 AM
Dude, just copy and paste into an article...it'll take you seconds. This is too good an observation to waste. These are the kind of dynamics Nolan bases his movie and character development on. It's beer a character for the sake of the character.

It's wasted in a message board
Moonwalker1991
Moonwalker1991 - 12/9/2011, 4:58 PM
Good article. It's always nice to read about different people's opinions. I read the description about TDKR Prologue and it left me speechless, as will the film when it's released. So glad it's December. The countdown has begun. My Spider senses are tingling.
CraptainAmerica
CraptainAmerica - 1/19/2012, 7:07 AM
hy thank you mbembet and others who contributed!
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