THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY's David S. Goyer Reveals What Happened After RISES And Confirms Riddler Casting Rumors

THE DARK KNIGHT TRILOGY's David S. Goyer Reveals What Happened After RISES And Confirms Riddler Casting Rumors

The Dark Knight Trilogy writer David S. Goyer has revealed what happened next with John Blake/Robin and confirms those reports about Warner Bros. wanting Leonardo DiCaprio to play The Riddler were true!

By JoshWilding - Sep 22, 2023 01:09 PM EST
Filed Under: The Dark Knight

While his contributions to the franchise are often overlooked, writer David S. Goyer was instrumental in the creation of Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Trilogy

The director enlisted Goyer to help him write the story and script for Batman Begins, while the scribe also penned the stories for The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises before Christopher, and his brother Jonathan, penned the scripts. Could the team reunite for a fourth outing? 

"I don’t think that's ever going to happen," Goyer stated during a recent edition of the Happy Sad Confused podcast. "And I wouldn’t want to do another Batman project either."

That tracks with what Nolan said as recently as during Oppenheimer's press tour but there were other exciting details to be found in this conversation. Among them was the fact Goyer pushed for the director to cast Jake Gyllenhaal as Bruce Wayne in place of Christian Bale!

Oh, and remember those hard-to-believe rumours about Leonardo DiCaprio being eyed to play The Riddler in The Dark Knight Rises? Many of you probably won't as those reports first did the rounds in the late 2000s/early 2010s, and most of us scoffed at them back then.

It turns out the rumours were true!

"After 'The Dark Knight,' the head of Warner Bros. at the premiere said, 'You got to do the Riddler. Leo as the Riddler. You got to tell Chris, Leo as The Riddler,'" Goyer recalls. "And that’s not the way we work." Nolan instead chose to focus on Bane and Catwoman, of course, all while introducing a new Batman in Joseph Gordon-Levitt's John Blake/Robin.

While we're not getting another movie, Goyer confirms the character took over the mantle and became Gotham City's new Caped Crusader in Bruce's place.

The Dark Knight Trilogy consists of Batman Begins (2005), The Dark Knight (2008), and The Dark Knight Rises (2012), all directed by Nolan. Collectively grossing over $2.4 billion at the worldwide box office, the trilogy has been ranked among the greatest ever made.

Batman was later rebooted for the DC Extended Universe when Ben Affleck took over the role in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. His time as the character has now ended, with Robert Pattinson playing the hero in Matt Reeves' Elseworlds Universe as part of The Batman franchise. 

However, yet another new version of the character will grace our screens in DC Studios' The Brave and The Bold a few years from now.

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dracula
dracula - 9/22/2023, 2:10 PM
Could have possibly done a similar story with Riddler, like Zero Year (obviously hadnt been written yet)

Although

If it was just the 3rd movie in the series Riddler would be a great pick

For the final entry in the series……need something different and not so close to the joker
SheepishOne
SheepishOne - 9/22/2023, 2:12 PM
It would be cool if they did a comic book sequel or something showing John Blake taking the mantle and what that might have looked like.
Slotherin
Slotherin - 9/22/2023, 5:41 PM
@SheepishOne - I [frick] with it
Slotherin
Slotherin - 9/22/2023, 7:37 PM
@SheepishOne - I would love Nolanverse comics that bring in other villains and explore post-Batman Gotham concepts as well.
ferf
ferf - 9/22/2023, 2:12 PM
I really dislike how this trilogy progressed and how much you have to squint to see the batman character by third movie
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 9/22/2023, 2:14 PM
98 more Goyer-related articles incoming.
dracula
dracula - 9/22/2023, 2:14 PM
So many villain theories back then and fan choices

Philip Seymour Hoffman as Penguin was another popular one
Tpo81
Tpo81 - 9/22/2023, 2:40 PM
@dracula - I remember that & thinking it was awesome then there was josh Gad later I think but Phillip Seymour Hoffman would've killed it as Cobblepot. I also remember David Tennant being a rumor for Riddler at some point too. Willem Dafoe as Hugo Strange maybe too
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 9/22/2023, 2:51 PM
@dracula - I remember that one. I wonder how close that was to being a reality?
Nolanite
Nolanite - 9/22/2023, 4:39 PM
@dracula - not sure if you were even around here on CBM when all of that was happening.
The biggest rumor i remember defending on here against the Marvelites was Hugo Strange being the main villain in TDKR
Old nolanite out.
ImBatman4realz
ImBatman4realz - 9/22/2023, 7:47 PM
@dracula - that could have worked so awesomely too.
xfan320
xfan320 - 9/22/2023, 2:18 PM
Rises kinda sucked. They definitely NEEDED a fourth movie to continue the story...

I always had an idea that JGL's Robin would become Batman for a time in Gotham. Using leftover Bat tech and Alfred to learn the ropes. Unfortunately Gotham just keeps getting worse and looking more like the comics every day. All up until Bruce makes his return to Gotham to reclaim the mantle from JGL. Robin would resent him for stepping back in after being gone for years, thus he would leave and go on to become Nightwing as a way to continue fighting crime.

Then you could have Bruce adopt a young "Robin" as a sidekick as a jab at John Robin Blake for failing to keep Gotham from falling into further chaos.
JGL would feel betrayed by Bruce because he never got proper training and feels as though he's done a pretty great job in Bruce's absence as Batman.

Riddler would probably be a nice choice for villain. Maybe Firefly and Scarecrow subplots to carry more plot.

newhire13
newhire13 - 9/22/2023, 2:54 PM
@xfan320 - Definitely didn’t need a 4th one. Rises was exactly what Nolan said it would be- an ending.
Jrazz
Jrazz - 9/22/2023, 3:20 PM
@xfan320 - bro literally said Rises sucks and then follows it up with the worst [frick]ing fanfic ever lmao
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 9/22/2023, 2:20 PM
Eagerly awaiting the announcement of Nolan’s next project, as always. TDKR still rocks.

Forthas
Forthas - 9/22/2023, 8:17 PM
@regularmovieguy - Bane is one of the best villains ever and The Dark Knight Rises is my second favorite comic book movie of all time after The Dark Knight.
TheOtherOn
TheOtherOn - 9/23/2023, 2:33 AM
@Forthas - Then you "might" like this 😉







regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 9/23/2023, 11:50 AM
@Forthas

Love that, bro. Don’t think it’s top 5 for me (I prefer Begins) but it’s still great imo.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 9/22/2023, 2:20 PM
Blake ruined Rises. Nolan should have adapted the Azrael arc instead and casted Guy Pearce as Jean-Paul Valley.


Origame
Origame - 9/22/2023, 3:57 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 1) if anything he was one of the best things about the movie. Only bad thing I can think of is the robin reveal.

2) guy Pearce was originally chosen to play ras al ghul, with the idea being a brother relationship between him and Bruce as opposed to father and son. Pearce turned it down because it wasn't his "cup of tea".
BeefyTrout
BeefyTrout - 9/22/2023, 2:31 PM
Dark Knight Rises is a really good movie as long as you don't apply ANY logic to the story.
SauronthePower
SauronthePower - 9/22/2023, 3:20 PM
@BeefyTrout - the second a nuclear threat was introduced that drew the attention of the leader of the free world, the need for a spandex clad vigilante pummeling street thugs became ridiculously unbalanced
Forthas
Forthas - 9/22/2023, 2:36 PM
The Dark Knight trilogy should have been the foundation of the DCEU with Man of Steel. Had they done that and not hired Zack Snyder to do the team ups, they would be in a lot better shape than they are now!
Slotherin
Slotherin - 9/22/2023, 5:46 PM
@Forthas - I don't think Bale would have been down.
Forthas
Forthas - 9/22/2023, 7:07 PM
@Slotherin - So the key is to present him with a competent script and then let him answer for himself.
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