WATCHMEN Showrunner Damon Lindelof Reveals His Idea For THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS Movie

WATCHMEN Showrunner Damon Lindelof Reveals His Idea For THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS Movie

Damon Lindelof knocked it out of the park with Watchmen, and during a recent interview, the showrunner shared his thoughts on how he'd go about adapting a story like The Dark Knight Returns. Check it out.

By JoshWilding - Dec 16, 2019 02:12 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman
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The first season of Watchmen came to an end last night, and it's fair to say that Damon Lindelof definitely delivered. We'll have more on that for you later, but with fans already speculating about which other comic book properties he could take charge of, the showrunner has shared some very interesting thoughts on what a movie version of The Dark Knight Returns would look like. 

However, just as he didn't deliver a direct adaptation of Watchmen, one thing Lindelof wouldn't do is bring this classic comic book tale by Frank Miller to the big screen without any changes.

"The reason that I don’t have any interest in it is because that would be a straight-up adaptation," he explains. "Where you’re taking something Frank Miller already wrote and illustrated and is perfect. Basically, you’re bringing it to life. Obviously, Superman is going to be in it if you’re doing Dark Knight straight up. All you’re basically doing is adapting something."
 
"What made Dark Knight so amazing and revolutionary was that it was so original and groundbreaking. So, it’s like taking the dance instructions where the painted feet are there on the ground. You just have to hit the right steps. I would just be terrified of messing it up. More importantly, I want to freestyle. I’m not the guy for that."

So, while he's clearly not the right person for a 100% faithful take on The Dark Knight Returns, Lindelof does have an amazing idea when it comes to how he'd handle Batman and Superman.
 
"I think it would be really interesting to wait for somebody like, you know, Michael Keaton, who has already done Batman, or a Christian Bale 25 years from now and then do Dark Knight with them. So, it’s someone who we actually saw play a younger version of Batman. That would be rad."

It would indeed! Whether it's something that would ever happen is another matter, of course!

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40. Stargirl

Stargirl


Recruited to be the face of the government-sanctioned Justice League of America, Stargirl quickly proved to her teammates that she was a real hero and worthy of carrying Starman's legacy. 
 

39. Hawkgirl

Hawkgirl


We've seen a number of different versions of this character over the years and while many of them have been part of the League, most fans know her best from the Justice League Unlimited series.
 

38. Catwoman

Catwoman


Selina Kyle had a very brief stint as a member of the Justice League of America after being hired by Amanda Waller and A.R.G.U.S. and she did well as a counterpoint to the Dark Knight. 
 

37. Power Ring

Power-Ring


A fairly new addition to the Justice League, Jessica Cruz was cursed with a ring from an alternate Earth which feeds on her fear. With some help from her fellow heroes, she's battled to overcome that. 
 

36. John Constantine

Constantine


John Constantine is happiest when he's working alone but when the stakes are high enough, the smoking Englishman never hesitates to join up with the rest of the Justice League Dark. 
 

35. Huntress

Huntress


The latest iteration of this character is the daughter of Batman and Catwoman from an alternate Earth but regardless of which version we're talking about, she's often been key to this team.
 

34. Green Lantern (Guy Gardner)

Garnder


An argument could be made that Guy Gardner is the least popular human member of the Green Lantern Corps but it's always been fun watching him come to blows with longtime rival Batman!
 

33. Mr. Miracle

Miracle


Brought up on Apokolips and surrounded by horrors thanks to his adoptive father Darkseid, Mr. Miracle ultimately fled from his father and is now one of the greatest escape artists in the DC Universe.
 

32. Green Lantern (Simon Baz)

Lantern


Mistakenly viewed as a terrorist, Simon Baz had to do more than most heroes to prove himself and while the team had some doubts at first, he's now a valued member of the Justice League. 
 

31. Swamp-Thing

Swamp


Alec Holland was a botanist transformed into Swamp-Thing after his death and he since worked to protect the world (and plant life) as one of the strongest members of the Justice League Dark.
 

30. Red Tornado

Red-TOrndao


An android created by the supervillian T.O. Morrow to infiltrate the Justice Society of America, he soon saw the error of his ways and became an iconic and pivotal part of this iconic group. 
 

29. Vibe

Vibe


Vibe has an awesome set of powers which include jumping between dimensions and being able to blast enemies off their feet with vibrational waves so you can see why he was recruited to the JLA! 
 

28. Orion

Dr-Fate


The son of Darkseid was given away as a child and that meant he grew up to become a hero as New Genesis' greatest defender. If it means taking down his father, Orion will always help the League. 
 

27. Dr. Fate

Supes


The "Sorcerer Supreme" of the DC Universe, we've seen him working alongside both the JSA and JLA over the years. He was a staple of the team in the 80s and 90s and has helped them a lot since too. 
 

26. Vixen

Vixen


Vixen has served as both a member of the Justice League and Suicide Squad and her abilities allow her to wield the powers of any animal that has walked or evolved on Earth through the Tantu totem.
 

25. Lex Luthor

Lex


The fact he spent so many years trying to destroy the League means that Lex Luthor simply can't rank higher because while he did some good, that didn't last and he blackmailed his way on to the team!
 

24. The Atom

Atom


Another hero who multiple characters have held the mantle of over the years, Ray Palmer is by far the most popular and didn't hesitate to join the Justice League when the team came calling. 
 

23. Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)

Rayner


After the fall of Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps, Kyle Rayner was chosen to protect Earth and while his role within the League was limited, he never once let the team down. 
 

22. Firestorm

Firestorm


A number of different heroes have combined to make Firestorm over the years and this walking nuclear reactor has consistently proven that his powers make him damn near unstoppable. 
 

21. Zatanna

Zatanna


Zatanna may actually be part of the Justice League Dark team but she first served in the Justice League of America and her powerful spells mean she's capable of taking down even Superman!
 

20. Supergirl

Supergirl


Superman's cousin crashed to Earth as a teenager and various iterations of the character have all played some sort of role within the League at various points since her introduction. 
 

19. Batgirl

Batgirl


An honorary member of the League, Barbara Gordon may not have accompanied the team on too many adventures but it was as Oracle that she was perhaps one of their greatest allies.
 

18. Phantom Stranger

Stranger


The Phantom Stranger only tends to appear when events of great magnitudes necessitate his direct involvement but that's led to him working alongside the League on a number of occasions.
 

17. Elongated Man

Elongated-Man


Not to be mistaken with another stretchy superhero on this list, the Elongated Man is a top-notch Private Eye who has been right there alongside the League to face some of their greatest threats.
 

16. Blue Beetle

Beetle


He may have a reputation as something of a prankster but Ted Kord's scientific genius means he's single-handedly saved the day on more than one occasion and has proved himself to be invaluable.
 

15. Booster Gold

Booster


Arriving in the 21st Century to become the hero he never was in his own time, Booster Gold has a cocky attitude but has proven himself a valuable asset to the team more than once. 
 

14. Plastic Man

Plastic-Man


You probably think we're joking but despite his daft appearance and wacky powers, this reformed criminal has been a valuable member of the League and is more powerful than he lets on.
 

13. Cyborg

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Victor Stone was once a member of the Teen Titans but The New 52 changed that and he's since become a key part of this team as they're in desperate need of his firepower and technical know how.
 

12. Shazam

Shazam


The young Billy Batson only needs to utter a single word to become Shazam and while he may be immature, his magical powers mean he's strong enough to take down even the Man of Steel. 
 

11. Green Lantern (John Stewart)

John-Stew


The man who held the Green Lantern mantle in the Justice League Unlimited animated series has resulted in him being considered THE Green Lantern in the eyes of many comic book fans. 
 

10. Green Arrow

Green-Arrow


Oliver Queen may have been snubbed by the Justice League when he attempted to join their ranks in "The New 52" but the Emerald Archer has previously been a much-needed member of the team.
 

9. Hawkman

hawman


The Savage Hawkman is infused with the mysterious Nth Metal and he's granted flight, strength and a living armour as a result. With a formidable set of powers, he often helps turn the tide in battle.
 

8. The Flash (Wally West)

Wally


Barry Allen may be considered The Flash but Wally West held the mantle for decades. With his best friend dead, he stepped up to become the new Fastest Man Alive and never let the team down.
 

7. Aquaman

Aquaman


Despite being considered a joke for years thanks to mainstream media, a much-needed makeover helped change that perception and he's now viewed as on of the DC Universe's biggest badasses.
 

6. Martian Manhunter

MM


The last surviving Martian, J'onn J'onzz's fight with the League at the start of "The New 52" meant he's only recently joined the team but he's been a faithful ally to them throughout DC history.
 

5. Green Lantern (Hal Jordan)

Hal


While it's fair to say that Green Lantern will never get along with Batman, that's never stopped him from using his immeasurable willpower to protect his teammates and our planet. 
 

4. The Flash (Barry Allen)

Barry


The Scarlet Speedster is never one to shy away from racing into action and there's a good reason why he's such a beloved and respected member of the team, not to mention its fastest.
 

3. Wonder Woman

WW


Diana Prince is arguably the heart of the Justice League not to mention one of the team's bravest and most powerful members. Simply put, the League wouldn't be the same without her.
 

2. Batman

Batman


Batman doesn't have the same amazing abilities as his superpowered teammates but he compensates for that with an impressive array of weapons, vehicles, and unparalleled fighting skills.
 

1. Superman

Supes


The most powerful hero in the DC Universe could tackle pretty much any threat by himself but it says a lot about him that he doesn't mind turning to his teammates - and friends - for help saving the world.
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Twenty23Three
Twenty23Three - 12/16/2019, 2:13 AM
What is this obsession with an older Batman? I just don’t get it. Let’s get a Batman in his prime for a bit.
dracula
dracula - 12/16/2019, 2:23 AM
@Twenty23Three - well he did talk about using keaton and eventually bale, so if it were to happen. We would have already seen them in their prime
Twenty23Three
Twenty23Three - 12/16/2019, 2:39 AM
@dracula - yeah I get that but they already went for Bale being run down and battle worn in TDKR and Keatons Batman barely moved any quicker and more freely than an old man would anyway.
CaptaCornflakes
CaptaCornflakes - 12/16/2019, 2:43 AM
@Twenty23Three - Older batman is great. But yeah he mostly works in elseworlds.
emeraldtaurus
emeraldtaurus - 12/16/2019, 2:27 AM
Bale wouldn't touch it unless C Nolan was involved. Lindelöf is way to big of a risk when it comes to main stream movies.
CaptCoulson
CaptCoulson - 12/16/2019, 3:52 AM
@emeraldtaurus - I have a feeling the things that were more an issue in Prometheus (things I had problems with, anyway) were more from the John Spaits draft than Lindelof. like my biggest stretch was probably all the behavior from Rafe Spall's and Sean Harris' characters, I think that wasn't really much Lindelof
emeraldtaurus
emeraldtaurus - 12/16/2019, 4:33 AM
@CaptCoulson - I bought and watched the Alien DVD back in 2003. I remember the scene when the crew enter the Space-Jockeys "pilot seat" and Ridley Scott says in the Directors commentary …."I hope to make a film one day about this guy and his people". When Prometheus was announced I nearly lost my mind. How disappointed I was after watching that sci-fi mess! Lindelöf should be shot......and R Scott should be wounded for listening to 'em!
CaptCoulson
CaptCoulson - 12/16/2019, 5:10 AM
@emeraldtaurus - okay, not really sure I get where you're coming from. well and FWIW, I'm not at all like a hardcore Alien devotee or anything, still have never seen Alien3 (particularly funny as Fincher's long been my favorite modern director), saw 4 once and none of those other "vs" films ever at all.
I always liked and was intrigued by what Lindelof had to say in "there's very little compelling or suspenseful in inevitability" when addressing the very notion of prequels, of anything. And that just because Prometheus takes place in the same universe as Alien and previous in the timeline, that does not mean that Alien would be the sequel to Prometheus. He even put it that Prometheus could have two babies, as it were, one grows to be Alien while one grows up to be what's truly a more direct sequel to it (though this was said well before Covenant was starting to get made, much less it being released).
According to some stuff I've seen said by Lindelof, John Spaits as the first writer on the project, his version focused more on what were considered the same major landmarks in the Alien franchise, the fully as they were xenomorphs, chest-bursters, LV426 (or whatever exactly number that original planet was) and so really what would much be the point.
What Lindelof helped write totally did get into focusing more on the Engineers (the 'space jockeys') and what they were about.
emeraldtaurus
emeraldtaurus - 12/16/2019, 6:39 AM
@CaptCoulson - Or...………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..it was a total mess! simple as that dude.
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 12/16/2019, 8:54 AM
@emeraldtaurus - it wasnt not if you paid attention. prometheus and alien covenant are underrated. it was trying to combine aspects of god, religion, and science to create an origin for xenomorphs. then the human sacrifices were supposed to be punished for trying to play god. its a shame that r scott will not get to finish.

damon lindelouff is known to make thought provoking films or shows that have no answers similar to what he did in left overs
emeraldtaurus
emeraldtaurus - 12/16/2019, 1:19 PM
@mastakilla39 - fair enough dude .......BUT.....theres a thin line between thought provoking and just plain confusing. Lindelof has a habit of towing the line. Prometheus wasn't a disaster...it had its moments . I personally was disappointed at a number of decisions they made. Alien Covenant was shaping up to be awesome ...until they decided that David was the creator of the Xenomorph.....when they been around for thousands of years !!! That REALLY blew it for me man.
MisterTriffid
MisterTriffid - 12/16/2019, 2:36 AM
I guess you would have to make certain change due to the episodic nature of the source material, which works well in the animated adaptation but not so well, I think, in a live action big movie. That said, the original is an incredibly cinematic comic book and like "Sin City", it would probably lift beautiful off the page onto the big screen.

Personally, I am only interested in seeing a faithful adaptation.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 12/16/2019, 2:40 AM
Although I haven't finished Watchmen yet, I'm sure whatever projects he wants to do next is in safe hands with him
CaptaCornflakes
CaptaCornflakes - 12/16/2019, 2:44 AM
Dark knight rises is bales Dark knight returns
tmp3
tmp3 - 12/16/2019, 3:00 AM
DC should give this guy anything he wants after how [frick]ing good Watchmen was.
Dredd97
Dredd97 - 12/16/2019, 4:18 AM
@tmp3 - Man oh man what a [frick]in finale! I'm still mulling that over. They say the best art is the stuff that sticks with you, and this show has done that in spades every week. Can't wait to re-read the GN and go over the show again lol
tmp3
tmp3 - 12/16/2019, 4:52 AM
@SmokingMan - In an episode filled with revelations, I don't think any hit as hard as realizing that the theatre playing "black Oklahoma" was the same one that young Will was sitting in while his home was being torn apart.
The theme of appropriation runs so deep within this Watchmen's greater thesis, both meta-textually in that DC/Lindelof are appropriating Moore's original work (I re-read the letter he wrote when production started, and he even acknowledges that) and in the actual text/subtext between Vietnam now being an American state (much like Hawaii in the real world) thanks to Manhattan, and the obvious case of what happened to Hooded Justice's legacy. In that regard it's pretty heart-breaking to see the remnants of a tragedy being re-purposed to serve schlocky re-tellings of musicals as forms of "empowerment" as opposed to it being a memoriam. It would be like having a Music Man revival playing at Ground Zero.
Also liked how Ozy's sexuality is still ambiguous (I know Snyder coded him as gay, but I always viewed him as asexual like Kovacs). Also that cut to the credits was so [frick]ing satisfying.
Jeight8
Jeight8 - 12/16/2019, 8:13 AM
@tmp3 - or not since tomorrowland and prometheus were disappointing as hell.

His movies track record is dodgy at best.
tmp3
tmp3 - 12/16/2019, 9:21 AM
@Jeight8 - Aren't you the guy who trolls BMD's comment sections, lmao
CaptCoulson
CaptCoulson - 12/16/2019, 3:42 AM
First of all, he's said this AWHILE ago, and in multiple places. Also this is by no means an exclusive idea, I've heard a ton of people say this basic idea over the last few years (mostly it's the Michael Keaton one, since we're already pretty close to where he'd naturally be as an older Bruce Wayne, but of course not with necessarily needing to stick to the EXACT Batman cannon as established in his two movies)

Which isn't to say I wouldn't be in for him writing that Batman story, I absolutely would. And to be fair, "truly faithful" adaptations are actually somewhat rare in the movie business, that you really only do just wind up making a full motion version of the comic. Film is a different medium than a comic book (or "regular" book, for that matter) so yeah by definition, you'd have to make certain changes.
TheUnworthyThor
TheUnworthyThor - 12/16/2019, 3:53 AM
Isn’t weird that some people thumb their nose at just adapting a comic book or graphic novel but think it’s perfectly fine to just adapt a novel whether it is Gone with the Wind, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, The Godfather or whatever?
Nightwing1015
Nightwing1015 - 12/16/2019, 4:25 AM
@TheUnworthyThor - I think it's more the fact that TDKR has been adapted as an animated film already. Also, like it or not, we're at the point where fans expect more from CBMs than just adaptations. Nobody watches a CBM today expecting to see a story adapted page for page.
tmp3
tmp3 - 12/16/2019, 4:53 AM
@TheUnworthyThor - Lindelof's coming from a place of reverence here though; he loves the original comic book too much to adapt it in a straight-forward manner if he was given the task.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 12/16/2019, 7:50 AM
@TheUnworthyThor - Martin Who?
FinnishDude
FinnishDude - 12/16/2019, 9:40 AM
@TheUnworthyThor - Then again, some of the best movies based on books are the ones that take more liberties. Stanley Kubrick' The Shining and Ridley Scott's Blade Runner are masterpieces of their respective genres and better movies than all the Potter movies combined.
KingGrimlock
KingGrimlock - 12/16/2019, 7:04 AM
Might as well. Frank miller seems to have no anger towards his properties making it to the screen, unlike old snake worshipper Moore.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 12/16/2019, 7:14 AM
I'm fine with just the animated movies at this point. Those were perfection.
MrDandy
MrDandy - 12/16/2019, 7:23 AM
But why.....? I mean I love the comic and the animated film, but the last two Batman movies (Dark Knight Rises and BvS) both drew heavily from Dark Knight Returns in terms of story for Nolan and Visuals for Snyder. Time to move on from that source materials. There's lots of other stuff out there.
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