Why The 'Nolanverse' Could Work In The 'Snyderverse.'

Why The 'Nolanverse' Could Work In The 'Snyderverse.'

Many people, myself included, would love for Christian Bale's Batman to be fetured as the Btaman in the yet untitled 'Man Of Steel' Sequel. Yet, nolans world contains no Super Powers?

Editorial Opinion
By TheBetterKhan - Aug 08, 2013 08:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman



Many people, myself included, would love for Christian Bale's Batman to be in the untitled 'Man Of Steel' Sequel. Yet, Nolan's world contains no Super Powers? So how could this go about working knowing what has already been established in both franchises?

Let's be honest, Man Of Steel was not as big a game changer as 'The Dark Knight Trilogy' was, but it effectively did its job. Introducing Superman to the modern world. and while the SDCC announcement about the sequel was surprising, many fans' hearts sank when Christian Bale said he has hung up his cape and cowl. So, unless they surprise the world by announcing Bale's involvement, this is strictly hypothetical.

Knowing what has been established in The Dark Knight Trilogy, Super Powered-Beings do NOT exist, we can understand why people automatically threw that possibility out the window. But, given that MoS is a first contact kind of movie, with aliens and stuff, wouldn't merging the 'Nolanverse' With MoS be the best way to go about it. If the whole world, in MoS, was surprised to find out about alien life then would the already established Bruce Wayne (Bale) be just as shocked, and try to make contact with Superman? To me this seems like the only way they could go about introducing Batman into 'Man Of Steel 2."
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3DWitchHunt
3DWitchHunt - 8/8/2013, 9:37 PM
NO
Bale's Batman would never last 5 minutes with Gods and super powered villains

He exists in his own universe for a reason
ForeverPowerful
ForeverPowerful - 8/8/2013, 9:44 PM
@3D

What are you talking about? Do you think the movie is going to be a virtual simulation where the characters are thrown in and if they survive...they survive?

If you make it seem believable and not over the top, you can do anything.

Using the argument that Bales Batman wouldn't survive isn't real. Its made up. There is literally nothing backing it up.
brazilianbatman
brazilianbatman - 8/8/2013, 9:56 PM
I think they should leave the triology alone and epic.
However if they are going for an older Batman it only makes sense to me if they ae trying to continue the series form where TDKR left off.

Its a hard decision, but for you should either reboot from 0 with a young Batman and actor or you go older because you want to keep continuity. Rebooting with old is not smart.
maninfinesuit
maninfinesuit - 8/8/2013, 10:32 PM
People around here are already a little confused about how the new, potentially capable Batman will be able to go toe to toe with Superman. Replace 'new Batman' with 'Nolan's Batman,' and we'll have a real quagmire on our hands.
maninfinesuit
maninfinesuit - 8/8/2013, 10:44 PM
(Having said that, your idea of how to merge these film universes is the most reasonable and straightforward I've seen suggested, so kudos.)
SnapperCarr
SnapperCarr - 8/8/2013, 10:48 PM
Its separate. END OF STORY.
3DWitchHunt
3DWitchHunt - 8/8/2013, 11:24 PM
ForeverPowerful
What are you talking about?
Nolan's Batman, despite training extensively, was not the expert martial artist, nor the master detective, he is in the comics
Something that would be needed if pitting him against ridiculous characters like Superman, Darkseid in the, clearly, fantastical world MOS set up

And thats just the thing. Gods like those two are not believable.

Nolan's world was set in a, mostly, believable universe where Bruce wasnt this infallible man
The clashing of a super realistic character with a ridiculous opponent would be horrible

This is why we need a more close to the comics Batman and not Bale
TheBetterKhan
TheBetterKhan - 8/9/2013, 3:32 AM
Another reason it's a possibility is that Bale and Zack Snyder will be working together soon for a movie called The Last Photograph. So it's not dead. Yet.
superherofan21
superherofan21 - 8/9/2013, 4:28 AM
I'd like to see it happen.
But I seriously doubt it will...
armesin
armesin - 8/9/2013, 7:04 AM
WTF..

Give it a rest nobody likes Nolanverse anymore!!!

Even DC/WB that's why their rebooting it!!


Forthas
Forthas - 8/9/2013, 7:24 AM
Listening to all these people saying the universe as established by Christopher Nolan is over is what may be the very downfall of the DC universe. It absolutely CAN be incorporated into the Man of Steel world and there is nothing about it that suggests that it can't. How do we know this...because some of our MOST popular movies address this very issue. If you have not noticed...

Predator
Alien
Battleship
Cowboys and Aliens
Super 8
Independence Day
War of the Worlds


...ARE ALL movies set in a "realistic" world in which aliens are ... discovered! Given the popularity of some of them, audiences don't seem to have a problem buying in to it. It also includes in most cases non-powered humans FIGHTING aliens with their wits and the resources around them. The same thing Batman would need to do since even in the comics he is not super powered.

There is absolutely NO logical reason why The Dark Knight movies could not include aliens in which they are also discovered. The world of Lois Lane PRIOR to discovering Superman could very easily be set in the EXACT same world as Bale's Batman. So if it is acceptable for Lois Lane and Perry White to first discover the existence of a alien being then acknowledge it in their world...then there is no good reason Batman could not do so also.

The REAL reasons why it has not happened, I suspect, has more to do with not wanting to pay Bale the going rate to reprise the role. Warner Brother's does not need Nolan's permission to continue the storyline, they are the ones that OWN all of the rights to the movies. They financed and marketed it and license when and where it is shown. Nolan did not even create half the people in the movies. The characters of Batman, or any of his famous villains, or Alfred, Lucius Fox or Commissioner Gordon existed long before Nolan. In fact when Tim Burton left the first Batman, they continued with the universe he established. When Donner left Superman they...you guessed it...continued with the universe he established. Perhaps Zack Snyder is pushing a clean break because he does not want to live in the shadow of Nolan...I don't know...but the lame excuse that Nolan does not want to do it or that Bale supposedly said he did not want to continue is wrong.

Not incorporating the Dark Knight films is going to effectively ruin the DC universe if there even is one given that so far there is only 1 movie in that universe when there could very easily be four! (compared to Marvel's now seven) Doing so would have...

1) built on an already established Dark Knight following for the upcoming Superman/Batman film;

2) Neutralized marvel's claim to have their shared universe be first;

3) Kick started the DC universe which would have already potentially included 4 heroes in it (Superman, Batman, Catwoman, and presumably Nightwing);and

4) Eliminated the need to spend a lot of time (in Superman's movie) to reacquaint an audience with a totally new Batman.

Thanks for writing this article! Great job!
MrReese
MrReese - 8/9/2013, 7:27 AM
Y do ppl keep insisting on connecting the 2? NOLAN IS DONE!!! Move on already.It's over.
Minato
Minato - 8/9/2013, 7:47 AM
No Batman is broken and weak in the Nolanverse. He was never meant to handle someone of supernatural standards thats why Ras and Bane didn’t have their powers in the movie. That whole thing was meant to be human vs human. Baleman couldn’t handle Clayface, Poison Ivy, a real Bane, Manbat, Freeze or any of his supernatural villains at all. They need to reboot Batman and make him more like his animated version if he is going to survive being part of the JLA. The only reason anyone wants Baleman back is because they are comfortable with him. Get over yourself and accept the epicness that is coming our way. Once you see a Batman that can handle his own with the JLA you will understand how weak Baleman was.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 8/9/2013, 8:24 AM
ABetterKhan?

Khan ain't gonna be happy.
Gme
Gme - 8/9/2013, 8:50 AM
I like that part about,Batman being shocked as the people in metropolis and the world.Can you imagine a flashback showing Bruce(Bale) witnessing on his screen"You are not alone",i would love that.Unfortunately our dream(combination of MOS and Nolan-verse) is in a coffin,and one of the two will happen.Snyder and Company will pull it out by the hand or will close the coffin and nail it down.Either of the two will happen in the coming weeks or months.
RedandBlue
RedandBlue - 8/9/2013, 9:21 AM
I'd like to see Bale back as Bats as well, but it just can't be done.

Just like @2Challa said, he's weak now.

In the trilogy he's an old and battered Batman. He'd been retired for eight years and then had to fight Bane, who by the way was human as well, and completely destroyed him. And his back.

When Wayne got back into crimefighting in the trilogy, he had to wear a knee brace as well.

No one wants to see that sort of Batman on the screen again. Especially fighting against or by Superman.

The man just wouldn't stand a chance.
naterator
naterator - 8/9/2013, 10:13 AM
Keep BALE in and after a couple sequels...a JLA movie....JLA 2 could be a KINGDOM COME MOVIE. i want a KINGDOM COME MOVIE!!!!!!!
naterator
naterator - 8/9/2013, 10:16 AM
@sintzu....if you have a creative mind...theres always something to continue. You could easily continue the story after TDKR. It just takes a little thought. The bat cave could still originate under the Mansion...even if Wayne doesnt live there any longer. twists are to be made....but theres always a way. People are soooo closed minded.
naterator
naterator - 8/9/2013, 10:17 AM
people dont want to see a new batman so soon. they want what they have been accustomed to seeing for the past nearly 7 years.
naterator
naterator - 8/9/2013, 10:26 AM
@ redandblue. I disagree. Its true that he did have to wear a knee brace etc. but technology is such that Wayne enterprises has it all at its fingertips. I dont know how many people here have read KINGDOM COME but Batman certainly held his own even in that storyline. Batman was introduced to us this time around as being in the real world.....and then so was the man of steel.....so if you combine those ...youknow have a real world that has supernatural beings in them. kind of exciting dont you think??? I do.

If we get a new batman ...which it looks like we will then people just wont walk away satisfied....they will leave the theatre thinking..."damn...if it had only been Bale in there.(or at least the same storyline--it would be easy to change actors and keep the same trilogy in place) it could have been so much more interesting."
naterator
naterator - 8/9/2013, 10:33 AM
@Forthas......to me its common sense... is it not? Great comment by the way....
armesin
armesin - 8/9/2013, 10:48 AM
@sintzu

Give it a rest nobody likes Nolanverse anymore!!!

(and you came to this conclusion how ???)

Even DC/WB already specified there is no more Bale in MOS2 and they are going to cast another Batman...

Haven't you read the news?

And I'm very well sure that Nolanverse is not a DC Cinematic Universe..

DC/WB are not dumb to see what Nolanverse did to the villains...

And even Kevin Conroy would agree that Bale Batman has a Shit voice..

RRRRAAAACCCCHHHHEEEEELLLLL!!! For Crying Out Loud!!

There are plenty of actors can do better version of Batman...

Check "Bat in Sun" and compare to it to your Sh_t Bale Batman...
MDC
MDC - 8/9/2013, 11:19 AM
Don't connect TDK-verse with MOS-verse, but don't NOT connect them either.

The GA is well aware who Batman/Bruce Wayne is by now; just bring in Bats however it goes down...no need to reboot him for MOS2, just throw him in there.
If he dresses like Batman, goes by the name(s) Batman/Bruce Wayne...then he's frickin Batman. Leave it alone.

When Roger Moore or Pierce Brosnan took over 007 duties, it wasn't explained to death why Bond looked different - they were just James Bond; it's that simple really.

WB/Snyder could easily just keep most of the familiar aesthetics of TDK - Tumbler, Batpod, The Bat(so on) if they so chose just with a different actor in a new suit and it would be just fine as an "unspoken reboot" without a dragged out and obvious(or unnecessary) retelling taking up screen time.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 8/9/2013, 12:24 PM
Like some have already said, it isn't about the fantastical elements - it's about Nolan's interpretation of Batman.

I think I see the big problem - Year One was the big influence on Batman Begins. It was literally this Batman's freshman year. The Dark Knight went with the Killing Joke and the Long Halloween for its villains, and tried to make Batman stretch out a LITTLE bit further, but not too much to be a great leap from Year One.
Then by the Dark Knight Rises, Nolan takes inspiration from what is universally known as one of the greatest Batman stories ever (I disagree, but that's me) "the Dark Knight Returns", with Knightfall and No Man's Land having some secondary influences.

All three stories rely on Batman being very experienced, very disciplined, and NOT alone.

No Man's Land has a whole Batman army (Huntress, Oracle, Cassandra, Jean-Paul, Dick, and Tim) trying to keep the peace in Gotham while he's doing his thing as Bruce Wayne trying to convince the richest people in the world to invest in its reconstruction.

Knightfall has Tim, new character Jean-Paul, and later Dick trying to restore "Batman" in Gotham while Bruce is recovering.

Basically, Nolan painted himself into a corner.
Forthas
Forthas - 8/9/2013, 12:29 PM
@ naterator

You are right! It is common sense and as you can see many people have little of it. I can say personally that if Bale is Batman I would probably see that movie 4 times (as I did with TDKR and MOS) probably in IMAX. If he is not Batman I see it once in 2D at a matinee. There is no sense in thrusting a new Batman on the public when the current one fits everything that WB is supposedly after and Zack Snyder specifically SAID he wanted to direct Bale in a Dark Knight Returns movie.

I hope you understand all these people talking about "Bale's voice" and how the "Dark Knight" movies are supposedly bad or that people should "move on" because of some half truth about "Bale not wanting to continue" are fanboys who lack the ability to realize how Epic a union of the Dark Knight films and MOS would be. They are an EXTREME minority.
BIGDane42
BIGDane42 - 8/9/2013, 12:42 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... *inhales*... OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Let it die like it should!
BIGDane42
BIGDane42 - 8/9/2013, 12:57 PM
@Forthas

You guys are the [frick]ing minority! Why the hell should we take a good trilogy that is not supposed to be opened back up, and open it? For facial recognition?? For nostalgic values? BALE DIDN'T PLAY LIKE THE BATMAN! I'm sorry, he did a great interpretation of Batman, but it wasn't THE Batman. Wasn't stoic, strategic, hard, cold, calculated, and brilliant like Bats is supposed to be. Quit two different times, annnnd was getting over a broken back, and a lack of cartilage in his knees. Why continue on like that?? I mean, the trilogy ended great. Well to some it didn't(I personally liked it), but it still ended it. If we get Christian to come back, even if the money is good, do you think he will continue?.. No, he wouldn't! He would be back for that film, and then we'd be hoping he comes back for JLA, and the next one, etc, etc. And yes, the Batman voice was a problem. Maybe the only problem, but a HUUGE problem! That, and he was a lot more emotional than he needed to be. We need a Batman that can beat Superman with just preparation, and will. That is it! Baleman doesn't have that. I loved him as Bats DGMW, but please people... get the [frick] over this. We will have someone that is more like the actual Batman, and that is a good thing!
Forthas
Forthas - 8/9/2013, 2:13 PM
@ BIGDane42

What the heck is THE Batman! THERE IS NO SUCH THING! There is the Batman YOU think is THE Batman and there are others that various people view differently.

"Quit two different times, annnnd was getting over a broken back"

Oh...you mean just like in the comics (Batman Returns and Knightfall)?

I know the Trilogy ended! Just like the Iron Man trilogy ended...SO WHAT? ... What does that have to do with a character doing a crossover appearance in Superman's movie? Just like there will be no more Iron Man movies with Robert Downey Jr. because "the trilogy ended!" that does not mean the character cannot continue to appear in spinoff movies

If they were to get Christian Bale to return CLEARLY they would ask him to sign for more than one film...just like Robert Downey Jr.(Iron Man)did for Avengers, just like Daniel Craig (James Bond), etc.

I keep hearing this nonsensical statement or a variation of it

"We need a Batman that can beat Superman with just preparation, and will."


BATMAN WHETHER IN THE COMIC BOOKS, ANIMATED SERIES, OR NOLAN"S VERSION IS A HUMAN BEING! What exactly would change from the Nolan version to a new version. He can do 'ninja flips?'...Superman I suppose would be shaking in his boots when he sees that! I constantly keep hearing about some imagined difference between the Nolan Batman and other iterations and in NONE of those cases does it make Batman any more or less formidable. Explain to me WHY a Nolan Batman could not use preparation, and will if for some reason he needed to use that against Superman. Plus why in the world is he trying to fight Superman. You are the prime example of what is wrong with this picture. The only thing you want to see is a comic book nerds fetish face-off between two superheros...something ONLY the minority of comic book nerds versus the larger movie going audience is "dying" to see. The fact you can't seem to understand that is EXACTLY why movies like Green Lantern fail. Studios who listen to that minority keep trying to put CGI heavy nonsense so fan-boys can go ..."ohhhh Green Lantern made an energy fist"..."ohhhh Look at Oa and how magical it looks"...while most other people look at this as nonsense, the movies tanks and then there is a bunch of hand ringing about whether or not they will make more CBM's. The Nolan films understood this and made the movies so that everyone could appreciate it....that may be why it was infinitely MORE successful than Green Lantern. But of course you can't understand this...you need to see Man-Bat and Mr. Mxyzptlk and the "comic book" Batman because apparently you believe studios make movies just for you so they can lose money.
TheYoungMan
TheYoungMan - 8/9/2013, 3:33 PM
@Tainted

"Like some have already said, it isn't about the fantastical elements - it's about Nolan's interpretation of Batman.

I think I see the big problem - Year One was the big influence on Batman Begins. It was literally this Batman's freshman year. The Dark Knight went with the Killing Joke and the Long Halloween for its villains, and tried to make Batman stretch out a LITTLE bit further, but not too much to be a great leap from Year One.
Then by the Dark Knight Rises, Nolan takes inspiration from what is universally known as one of the greatest Batman stories ever (I disagree, but that's me) "the Dark Knight Returns", with Knightfall and No Man's Land having some secondary influences.

All three stories rely on Batman being very experienced, very disciplined, and NOT alone.

No Man's Land has a whole Batman army (Huntress, Oracle, Cassandra, Jean-Paul, Dick, and Tim) trying to keep the peace in Gotham while he's doing his thing as Bruce Wayne trying to convince the richest people in the world to invest in its reconstruction.

Knightfall has Tim, new character Jean-Paul, and later Dick trying to restore "Batman" in Gotham while Bruce is recovering.

Basically, Nolan painted himself into a corner."


How is that painting himself into a corner? Isn't that just painting his trilogy? It sounds like from what you said, Nolan touched on all the major points in Batman's career in the comics. What's the problem? (You know that Nolan doesn't want his trilogy connected to any DC universe, right? He just want his own separate thing so it doesn't become tainted (no pun intended) by whatever DC does next)
kong
kong - 8/9/2013, 4:26 PM
It's Not happening get that in your head!
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