EDITORIAL: Why 'BATMAN v SUPERMAN' Has the Potential to be One of the Greatest CBMs of All Time.

EDITORIAL: Why 'BATMAN v SUPERMAN' Has the Potential to be One of the Greatest CBMs of All Time.

Many fans are wary of the upcoming DC event film, 'BATMAN v SUPERMAN', especially because of director Zack Snyder's shaky history. Hit the jump to see why we should be excited rather than anxious for the big BATMAN/SUPERMAN face-off.

Editorial Opinion
By LordCommander - May 31, 2015 04:05 PM EST
Filed Under: Batman vs. Superman

Zack Snyder’s “Batman v Superman” has the potential to be great.

Before you start rolling your eyes, allow me to explain what I mean. I know that all movies have the potential to be great, same as they have the potential to be bad.

“Batman v Superman” is a special case. Here we have a film that has real, true potential to be among the greatest comic book movie adaptations of all time.

I know, I know, that’s being a tad overzealous and it sounds like I’m delving into the fanboy mentality. “Greatest of all time”? With Zack Snyder as the director? Come on, now.

I am a fan of Zack Snyder and most of his films. However, I’ll be the first to admit that they are far from perfect. As visually attractive as his movies are, more than a couple of them lack the extra “umph” to push them into “really, really good” territory.

So, for now, let us take a look at Zack Snyder previous works.

2004. When there is no more room in hell, the dead will walk the Earth.


Where rotting corpses have the running abilities of professional athletes.

“Dawn of the Dead” was Zack Snyder’s first feature film, a remake of the Romero classic. However, it was a very loose reimagining with almost nothing in common with the original barring the high concept of the survivors being trapped in a shopping mall.

Generally considered to be good, not great, “Dawn of the Dead” was a serviceable zombie flick with a few homages to the master of the undead, George A. Romero. Written by James Gunn (!), Zack Snyder’s directorial debut was a decent start to his Hollywood career.

2006. This is where we fight! This is where they die!

But if I wear armor, those persions won't be able to see how ripped I am!

Three hundred Spartans. A whole lot more Persians. Blood flowing like whine and enough exposed skin to make a catholic priest have a heart attack. Adapted from Frank Miller’s hyper-masculine graphic novel – to the point of pulling images directly from the book – “300” was Zack’s second success and the first sign of his affinity to stick close to an adaptations source material.

To the general audience, “300” was a decent sword and sandal romp, but still seen as an improvement over “Dawn of the Dead”.

2009. …All the whores and politicians will look up and shout “save us!” ...and I’ll whisper “no.”

Half of the people in this photo are not mentally sound... the other half are assholes. 

“Watchmen”. The infamous. The un-filmable. Adapted from what is often considered to be the greatest graphic novel of all time, Alan Moore’s masterpiece hit the silver screen to mixed reception and financial disappointment.

As faithful as Zack Snyder was to the source material – and he was most certainly faithful – general audiences rejected the dark, violent and cynical world Moore had constructed and longtime comic fans rejected Snyder’s flashy visual style. “Watchmen”, despite its ambition, scope, and artistic merit, became Snyder’s first dud.

2010. Talking Owls.

Uh... Um... Yeah.

I think it would be best if we moved on.

2011. If you don’t stand for something,, you’ll fall for anything.

Be honest: How long did it take you to notice the giant bunny robot?

Trust me. I want to get this over with as fast you do. In simple terms, “Sucker Punch” was not a very good film. Visually impressive, it certainly was, but plot-wise? A writer, Zack Snyder is not.

A critical and financial failure, "Sucker Punch" was yet another dud. 

2013. You will give the people of Earth and ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you… they will stumble… they will fall… but, in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.

I want a cape. Chicks dig the cape.

After a string of duds, Kal-El’s return to the silver screen marked Snyder’s first real success in almost seven years. A box office smash with one of the largest June opening weekends of all time, “Man of Steel” was the first film in Warner Bros’ DC cinematic universe.

Zack Snyder’s serious, dramatic reboot of the Superman mythos – a far cry from the wonderful films from Donner and Reeve – split fans like a fissure. Many loved it, many loathed it, and very few seemed to be caught in between.

Written by David Goyer of the “Dark Knight Saga”, the film often swung between being truly exceptional and being truly mundane. This was thanks in great part to Goyer’s infamous dialogue. It should be noted that when Goyer is good, he’s really good, but when he isn’t, his writing suffers from being clunky, awkward and unnatural. What audiences ended up with was a Superman movie that was mere inches shy of being great, held back bouts of clumsy story-telling and exposition. Scenes at the Daily Planet come to mind, as well as Clark’s conversation with the Jor-El AI.

Keep in mind that I loved – loved – “Man of Steel”, but I know it could have been a lot better.

(That’s not to say that plenty of the so-called “criticisms” levelled towards it aren’t bile spewed by obnoxious fanboys and people who have clearly not seen the film. Clark rescued a lot of people throughout “Man of Steel” and the vast majority of the damage done to Smallville and Metropolis came from Zod and the other Kryptonians. Those are the facts.)

This brings us almost full circle.

The pattern that can be seen here is that when Zack Snyder is working with good material and has real talent behind him, he shines and his films are better off for it – in terms of quality that is, not box office gross.

This is something that Warner Bros most definitely noticed. Just check out the people working on Snyder’s upcoming cinematic event.

Ben Affleck. Proven actor. Talented director of great films such as “Gone Baby Gone”, “The Town”, and “Argo”. Earned an Academy Award and a Golden Globe. Now he’s the Batman.

Chris Terrio. Skilled writer. Master of dialogue. Penned the screenplay for “Argo” which won him his own Academy Award. He was brought on to rewrite “Batman v Superman” and turn it into something truly special. A step up from David Goyer, to be sure.

With Snyder’s unique visual style – especially his uncanny ability to recreate images right from the comics – combined with this kind of talent and skill supporting him, not to mention the ridiculous time spent in production, “Batman v Superman” has the potential to go beyond great and become one of the greatest.



From the teaser alone, one can see the kind of maturity and depth that is being applied to these two icons of the American mythology.

A god-like alien being worshipped and hated, a billionaire vigilante worn down by years and years fighting an aimless war on crime.

The distrust and animosity between two titans who both claim to stand for justice.

The reminder that giants walk the Earth.

“Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice” hit theaters on March 25th, 2016.

Tell me… Are you hyped?

 

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staypuffed
staypuffed - 5/31/2015, 6:27 PM
"Tell me… Are you hyped?"

Dingbat
Dingbat - 5/31/2015, 6:27 PM
IMO every movie has the potential to be great. Whether or not it's fully realized...well
Dingbat
Dingbat - 5/31/2015, 6:29 PM
Also, you'd have to be a fool to dismiss Legends of the Guardians just because it's an animated movie about talking owls. It's actually a very well done film. Seeing it was a pleasant surprise.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 5/31/2015, 6:39 PM
News flash: Every comic book movie in 2016 (with the exception of Gambit) has the potential to be one of the greatest comic book movies of all time.
Hulksta
Hulksta - 5/31/2015, 7:08 PM
Nope.

the
the - 5/31/2015, 8:22 PM
@Dingbat @MexicanSuperman

Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole is a testament to how truly great of a visionary director Zack Snyder is.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 5/31/2015, 8:56 PM
@MexicanSuperman @oMonRo

It's truly a remarkable film. Great visuals and a good story as well. Well acted throughout with good characters. People who've never seen it are often dismissive of it.
TheLoveDoc
TheLoveDoc - 5/31/2015, 9:37 PM
I agree with what you're saying here. A lot of people (mainly Marvelites) are tossing this one aside due to the devisive work of Zack Snyder. But I feel as if not enough attention is being placed on the attention around Snyder (primarily writer Chris Terrio). This film has a lot of promise. Visually (IMO) Snyder is a fantastic visual director and nobody that Marvel has can surpass him. And again IMO, I believe that Terrios script will be something special, and Narvel has not had this kind of writer. Keep in mind that for The Dark Knight Trilogy, Nolan wrote the scripts with his brother and Goyer was a creative influence...essentially the same relationship with Terrio and Goyer in this case. I feel strongly that this could be the best script we've seen in a CBM. And the vast majority of optimism for this film lies in the writer. Snyder is a lot like Ridley Scott. Both a great visual directors, but when they are pointed in the last direction they can do something special. I believe that is what is going to happen in this movie. And please don't argue against me on the basis of me being some hardcore DC fanboy that I'm not...I support both Marvel and DC, I just feel as if a lot of people are making assumptions about this film...and we all know what assumptions do.
TheLoveDoc
TheLoveDoc - 5/31/2015, 9:41 PM
Wow sorry for the typos I'm doing this from my iPhone, kinda cringeworthy lol
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 6/1/2015, 2:17 AM
@Scorpion8125
Wife?

I thought I completed you... You lied to me!
Baka
Baka - 6/1/2015, 4:55 AM
Finally a well written BvS editorial/article that comes from within instead of going for clickbait bullshit.
VictorMancha
VictorMancha - 6/1/2015, 5:00 AM
Baka
Baka - 6/1/2015, 5:04 AM
My one hope for BvS (probably wont happen) is that Superman humiliates that useless coward batman back into retirement.
soberchimera
soberchimera - 6/1/2015, 5:25 AM
Just as long as it doesn't try to insert too many easter eggs like Iron Man 2 did to the point where it just becomes a commercial for Justice League.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 6/1/2015, 5:26 AM
Batman and Superman are cool but Batman and The Joker are some of the best characters to base a story around, Everybody wants a piece of Batman though, there's so much potential for all of these movies

Here's hoping we get stuff like "Hush" and "Court of Owls" in the DCCU eventually
DRJ01
DRJ01 - 6/1/2015, 5:28 AM
Of course it has potential. Batman and Superman is in it (WW too). Zack Synder is a great visual director. All of his movies are great to watch (although MoS has a lot of awful quick zooms). But he fails at some of the other things that good directors are good at. Pacing for one. MoS suffered from off pacing, a lot of exposition for the first 2/3 of the movie and then two big action pieces back to back. Plus, for a movie about a alien with hope written on his chest, this movie got depressing at times and I never felt any hope in it. And I think the worst part of MoS was Goyer writing. He is awful and didn't know how to write a dark Superman movie but keep the core of Superman. They hired Terio who I love, so I will be optimistic about Justice League's prequel.
SuperCat
SuperCat - 6/1/2015, 5:31 AM
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 6/1/2015, 5:33 AM
@Youareallstupid

"DC and WB just can't make a decent superhero movie."

Batman Begins
The Dark Knight
Watchmen
V for Vandetta
Man of Steel

DC and WB are very capable of making amazing movies
KrazyForKomix
KrazyForKomix - 6/1/2015, 5:37 AM
It has potential. EVERY comic based movie has potential.
This MAYBE a fantastic film.
I won't know 'til I see it because it's the WB. That moniker changes everything. How much meddling will determine it's quality.
And just for the record, ANY studio that over-meddles in the production of ANY film can ruin it.
But I'm not talking about any of those other movies right now because this is a "Batman V Superman" posting.
Not here to compare and contrast. Just telling you my opinion about the WB's ability and PROVEN track record with PRODUCING superhero films.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 6/1/2015, 5:37 AM
There's a lot of faith being put on the writer who seems to only have one substantial credit which itself was adapted from a novel... It's hard to say how successful he will be at spinning an adaptation from the much broader DC comics in general. I think that he's a promising choice as the writer, but it's far from a guarantee.

I think this is a very interesting project, and it does have the potential to be something special... But at this point I'd say that it could easily go either way. What I most expect is another "Man of Steel", where certain fans get exactly what they want and love it, while general audiences aren't quite as sold. Regardless, people will go see it.
Victran
Victran - 6/1/2015, 5:38 AM
Been hyped since I saw the comic con footage leak online.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 6/1/2015, 5:50 AM
@Youareallstupid

I want all that too. I'm not saying that DC/WB isn't without their faults and failures but saying that they can't make a decent superhero movie is unreasonable.

In the post above yours, I mentioned "Hush" and "Court of Owls". I would love to see that, along with all of the fantastical elements of the Batman universe. I wasn't a fan of TDKRises, but it was a decent movie, I also want to see "Knightfall" adapted properly to the big screen with all of the major characters, Jean-Paul Valley, Nightwing, Joker, Bane, etc, ect, but with more influence from the comics.

And, if you had a chance to see and hear anything from Suicide Squad, other than The Joker's face tattoos.... That movie looks amazing, and it has the Enchantress which will open up all of these doors in the DCCU
Fekkius
Fekkius - 6/1/2015, 5:52 AM
Christopher Nolan was 90% of what hurt MoS. Seriously, he tries to shoe-horn in a speech about something inspiring in every other scene. And considering he's only an executive producer for BvS, the odds are stacked in its favor.

Also I think Jesse Eisenberg's Lex is going to be the breakout character.
CombatWombat
CombatWombat - 6/1/2015, 7:18 AM
@ProselyteCanti
"[David S. Goyer] was 90% of what hurt MoS. Seriously, he tries to shoe-horn in a speech about something inspiring in every other scene. And considering he's only an executive producer for BvS, the odds are stacked in its favor."

FTFY
TheLoveDoc
TheLoveDoc - 6/1/2015, 7:51 AM
@Youareallstupid
I really can't tell how the CGI in MOS was bad. I mean I've never had a problem was CGI in recent CBMs in general, but that's just me.

Also, it's hard to call TDKR laughable when in regards to Metacritic and IMDB it is more highly regarded than anything Marvel has ever done. Expect I believe that IRON MAN has a higher rating on Metacritic by 1. But aside from recent CBMs like GOTG and CATWS, the ratings are incredibly higher on Metacritic and TDKR blows everything out of the water on IMDB. I understand you're complaints and that's you're own opinion. I've always just found it weird that people like to call the film a failure. Am I saying it's better than some Marvel movies? No. Just stating what general audience has said.
Dingbat
Dingbat - 6/1/2015, 11:07 AM
@Youareallstupid

You are real stupid
McGee
McGee - 6/1/2015, 1:14 PM
McGee
McGee - 6/1/2015, 1:18 PM
DC and WB just can't make a decent superhero movie.


The Dark Knight franchise is alright. The first one is great, and the second one is fun to watch


Defeating one's own argument is fun. :D
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