With Enough Prep Time Episode 2 Batman V Superman The Fall And Rise Of The DCEU

With Enough Prep Time Episode 2 Batman V Superman The Fall And Rise Of The DCEU

In this video I discuss the Infamous Martha scene in Batman V Superman and the dream sequences. Where I think it works, the problems with it and how it could have been easily fixed.

Editorial Opinion
By aresww3 - Oct 24, 2016 01:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Batman vs. Superman
Source: comicbookmovie.com

There seems to be some confusion with my videos. A lot of insults have been said before listening and engaging with the actual content. That's fine. I post the videos in the full knowledge that that is likely to happen. 

But let me clarify, I am not defending everything about BvS and I don't hate Civil War. Both movies were entertaining for very different reasons. These videos are here to open dialogue, I like a good flame war, it's fun to have some marvel vs DC bashing, but in the end we are the luckiest comic book fans in the history of the medium, some may say even spoilt, so I enjoy taking my time to discuss in-depth the flaws and triumphs of this genre. You do not have to like what I like, but I see critics and fanboys asking people who like BvS what was Lex's motives, explain the Martha scene, why was Superman so mopy, why was the editing so all over the place? etc etc etc So I take up the challenge, and of course I get bashed for it. Lol

As a fan of the film I try to examine the problems people had with the film without being blindly prejudice. I love the movie, but it is far from perfect. I also really like Civil War but that movie is far from perfect too. Infact it has just about as many flaws if not more flaws in logic than BvS. Added to that BvS may make some terrible decisions, but that movie has actual balls. Civil War is a very safe movie, designed to be easily digested and all round pleasant without causing any offense whatsoever. It's a brilliant strategy by marvel, the only problem with it, is what is produced by marvel become great comic book movies, but they are not actually just great movies pure and simple.

Now DC whether they have suceeded, failed or somewhere in-between, the aim of all the films I've seen from DC is to make great, interesting movies. Not just comic movies, but thought provoking or stylistically interesting movies. 

Batman V Superman is an epic, operatic in scale melodrama with Superheroes, almost like a Greek clash of the Gods set in a realistic modern world. Suicide Squad is a Neo B-Movie action adventure, with a splash of 80s air guitar rock'n'role and neon washed kitch to it. Kind of a modern day, less good version of Big Trouble In Little China. (the GOO monsters in SS may seem ridiculous and lazy, but they are exactly like the B-Movie aesthetic you'd get from practical affects masterpieces from the 80s. Especially from the likes of John Carpenter or David Croenenberg) I'm pretty sure if I asked David Ayer, he would say SS was in many ways his homage to movies like Escape From LA. Now while expecing Millenials to have appreciated such film making, may well have been wishful thinking, what we can say about such film making is it has balls. 

The two movies almost seem like they exist in different Universes and add different flavors, rather than playing to the same tired formula.

I'd rather DC's approach to film making that takes chances be encouraged and have a few movies that miss the mark,  knowing that somewhere along the line we might get another Dark Knight. That is why I'm defending Batman V Superman over Civil War. That is why I am saying SS is more interesting to me than Civil War. It is not for any other reason than I see the creativity in the former where as I see the ever more tedious and tyranical strangle hold of the Marvel Formula on the latter. 

Marvel has some great movies, Iron Man, GOTG, Avengers and CAWS being my favorite, but a lot of the bad they do we let slide. How many times are we going to see generic villains, how many more quippy heroes, how many more formulaic stories with no stakes, how many more completely contrived battles between Superheroes, how much more cartoonish action where Black Widow can take on Vision. etc etc etc

I like that DC are building a universe where a plethora of competing stylistic approaches to movie making can co-exist. It shakes things up a bit; but instead of applauding this, I hear a chorus of boos and sneers from critics and fanboys alike. Suprisingly it is General Audiences keeping DC alive rather than comic book fans. How ironic.  

Anyway, here is part 2 of my video. Troll away. Remember these times when our heroes are so popular will soon pass, like all things, so enjoy. Enjoy the flame wars they won't be here like this forever. Defend whatever you love, whether it be DC, Marvel or both against any who dare disagree, ignore logic, ignore reason, fight with passion, insult, condescend, and be commited to your side, because that's what a good comic book fan does.  :)

0:19 Discuss the so-called pretentious philosophical debates in BvS. 
2:57 Too Many Dream Sequences, discussion
6:22 The Martha Scene 

 

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TheDayman
TheDayman - 10/24/2016, 5:16 PM
I would argue that one problem with BvS is too LITTLE philosophical debates. Or at least, too few real conclusions to the debates. They set up so many big, intelligent discussions about the corruption caused by power and the need for accountability, but in the end, it was all settled by Superman and Batman beating up a big monster. And those courtroom scenes seemed like they were going to show Superman's point of view as well as his side of the debate, but the courtroom got blown up before he could even say a word. My problem with BvS wasn't that its debates were pretentious. It's that it acted like it was so deep by asking all these big philosophical questions, and then it didn't answer any of them.
aresww3
aresww3 - 10/25/2016, 3:52 AM
@Valdez - I think that court scene was one of the worst decisions in the movie. Not that it blew up. I think that was dastardly, but the fact they didn't have Superman speak is beyond frustrating.

I mean I can see why, bc, think about it. If he said something truly Superman and inspiring, how could Bruce still feel the anger towards him without looking like a complete dick. However, I still think Luthor could have figured out something, like set an EMP charge so that Supe's message was not heard cos all the cameras and electrics cut out during his speech, then blow the building. Also in all honesty this film may have needed 2 parts it was so grand in scale that some of what it left out felt nonsensical.

However as for your 2nd argument that it opened philosophical debate and didn't answer the questions, I have to say that I hear that a lot and I don't really get the criticism. I mean those questions it poses are really unanswerable. Just like Fight Club asks big questions and leaves them unanswered, so did this movie. It allows you to make your own mind up about what is being presented to you. I actually prefer that than a film telling me what to think. Good point though about the senate scene though.
TheDayman
TheDayman - 10/25/2016, 12:43 PM
@aresww3 - My problem wasn't just that the philosophical questions were unanswered, it's that they were ignored. The first two acts build up all those important questions, but after Superman and Batman start to fight, they are ignored.
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