BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER Writer And Director Address Claims Val Was "Shoehorned" Into The Sequel

BLACK PANTHER: WAKANDA FOREVER Writer And Director Address Claims Val Was "Shoehorned" Into The Sequel

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is great, but was Julia Louis-Dreyfus' Valentina Allegra de Fontaine only in there to set the stage for future stories? Not according to the sequel's writer and director...

By JoshWilding - Dec 29, 2022 07:12 AM EST
Source: The New York Times

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is an emotional, fitting tribute to Chadwick Boseman and T'Challa. As well as introducing Namor and Ironheart, the sequel establishes Shuri as the MCU's new Black Panther. That all worked really well, but a subplot revolving around Valentina Allegra de Fontaine and Everett Ross did not. 

As well as revealing they used to be married, the Black Panther sequel confirms Val is the CIA's new Director and someone who is very interested in acquiring Vibranium.

Beyond that, it was hard to figure out why Val showed up beyond laying the groundwork for movies like Captain America: New World Order and Thunderbolts. During a recent interview with The New York Times, writer Joe Robert Cole and director Ryan Coogler denied that Marvel Studios forced the MCU's mysterious new antagonist on them.

"I've never had a conversation where I was asked to incorporate something that didn’t feel organic," Cole says. "The dynamic of the U.S. being an instigator and Western powers being an instigator, that always existed. It wasn’t, 'Oh, we need to find a reason to make this character exist.' It was, 'Oh, this is already in here and there’s this wonderful actress available.'"

Coogler added, "Yeah, nobody was shoehorned in or asked to be put into the movie or anything like that. Actually, in this version, [Louis-Dreyfus’s role] was pared back in order to make space for dealing with T’Challa’s death. And we had Val in there before she even appeared in any of the other movies, before 'Black Widow' and 'Falcon and the Winter Soldier.'"

"People assume that we were told to put her in," the filmmaker adds, "but she was there from the beginning."

While it's interesting that Val wasn't forced on Black Panther: Wakanda Forever's creative team, we'd still argue that her role in the movie didn't work particularly well.

Yes, we've learned a little more about her, but for anyone who didn't remember her from Black Widow's post-credits scene or that Disney+ appearance, this cameo gave fans few reasons to care about her machinations. We'll see how things play out in the next few years, though. 

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever is currently playing in theaters!

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bobevanz
bobevanz - 12/29/2022, 7:47 AM
It was a cameo, that's the way I saw it. Although it can feel shoe horned as well
TopBoy
TopBoy - 12/29/2022, 7:50 AM
It was definitely show horned in. Coogler needs to stop making things up and being defensive..
MochaKing
MochaKing - 12/29/2022, 7:53 AM
@TopBoy - Oh no... you know better than Coogler...
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 12/31/2022, 11:47 AM
@TopBoy - Coogler doesn't have to make anything up. You seem to just want to complain for no good reason.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 12/29/2022, 7:52 AM
She was shoehorned in. Disney is pushing her character and they saw this as a good opportunity to show more of her. She added nothing to the movie, she was literally shoe-horned into a story as a side character.
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 12/29/2022, 11:50 AM
@WarMonkey - Any character in any movie that doesn't add anything is shoehorned in?
Deadinside
Deadinside - 12/29/2022, 1:01 PM
@MosquitoFarmer - 🤷‍♂️ Yeah, it's kinda' like me in most people's lives...!
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 12/31/2022, 11:48 AM
@WarMonkey - The director literally explained this and you're still on about thinking you know everything. Lol. Her character made plenty of sense being in this film.
thewanderer
thewanderer - 12/29/2022, 7:58 AM
I didn't feel like any of the Val or Everett stuff was shoehorned at all. It felt natural as part of the United Nations plot line.

Val was basically what everyone expected Doctor Doom to be in the movie.
EMagnusPhoenix
EMagnusPhoenix - 12/29/2022, 7:59 AM
Her being in the movie didn't bother me one bit,for the little time she was in it,how is that such a big deal to some ppl?
DCfan84
DCfan84 - 12/29/2022, 8:05 AM
You don't just shoehorn in the likes of Ms. Julia Louis-Dreyfus

TheHumanSpider2
TheHumanSpider2 - 12/29/2022, 8:17 AM
Riiiiiiiiiiigh, she was totally in the script since day one.
The CGi rhinos were also completely necesary for the story in the first movie.
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 12/29/2022, 9:33 AM
@TheHumanSpider2 - yes?

Did you think this was a gotcha or something?
HopediahPlanter
HopediahPlanter - 12/29/2022, 7:45 PM
@Toonstrack -
GhostDog
GhostDog - 12/29/2022, 8:19 AM
I don’t think she was shoehorned but I think her showing up in TFATWS and Widow prior to this HANDICAPPED the character. The way she was used in those put a light on the character that I think impacted Coogler’s tale. In TFATWS and Widow she felt incredibly inorganic in and I think that stench followed her here. I think there’s a balancing act in trying to make a character a tool of connectivity whilst also making it feel organic.

I think her inclusion definitely changed once Chad passed and the script was redone but also this not being her debut as initially intended, must’ve also led to tweaks. Had this been her MCU debut, I think the character would’ve been vastly different. She would’ve had to have been established here. She was the least organic character in the movie at times though. The concept of her makes sense but the execution feels off. I think some of that is how JLD plays it; although I did like how aroused and glib she was about “dreaming of the U.S. having Vibranium” and what we would do with it.

I think had they made Val a Pamela Landy type, it would’ve sold better
SteelGunZ
SteelGunZ - 12/29/2022, 8:26 AM
Controlled Responses!
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 12/31/2022, 11:54 AM
@SteelGunZ - Not at all. Everything Coogler said makes sense.
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