EDITORIAL: My Argument For A Winter Soldier Cameo In BLACK PANTHER

EDITORIAL: My Argument For A Winter Soldier Cameo In BLACK PANTHER

"We've been waiting on a Black Panther film for ages, and you want to put ANOTHER white person in his big solo debut? *groans*" Yes. Bear with me on this. Hit the jump to hear my reasoning. Or... read my reasoning. Whatever.

Editorial Opinion
By GliderMan - Jul 03, 2016 08:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Black Panther
Source: Screen Rant

Hopefully this won't start another PantherGate... #NeverForget

K so here's the deal doe. We know very little about 2018's Black Panther movie, despite having seen both Black Panther himself in Captain America: Civil War as well as his arch-nemesis Ulysses Klaue in Avengers: Age of Ultron. We know Michael B. Jordon and Lupita Nyong'o are in the film as unconfirmed characters (would love to hear theories). It's hard to imagine Andy Serkis' Ulysses Klaue not appearing in the film, and Sebastian Stan seemed to hint that the Winter Soldier would show up, despite being put on ice last time we saw him.

I have to admit, when I first heard about a possible Winter Soldier cameo, I was skeptical. I really would like this to be a self-contained movie and let it focus on making Black Panther cool--securing this hero as a bankable franchise. I'm not begging for a Bucky Barnes cameo here. However, it looks like it may happen, and I have an idea for how it should be handled.

Back in May, 20th Century Fox released this little piece of trash called X-Men: Apocalypse. If you liked it, congratulations, have a cookie, I'm slightly exaggerating anyway. I certainly didn't hate it, but the bad outweighed the good for me. However, there was one epic scene in that movie that stood out, one I feel Marvel Studios should totally rip off and make better.

I don't bullshit, okay? I'm not gonna pretend like I don't want Marvel to rip off this scene. 

As I'm sure you all know, Wolverine's cameo in Apocalypse was actually pretty great. The X-Men find themselves in the middle of one of William Stryker's facilities, where Wolverine had just been experimented on. He breaks out of his containment and goes on a killing spree, ruthlessly slicing up Stryker's men. There were a lot of genuinely bad things in that movie... but this surely was not one of them.

And it got me thinking, Wolverine and the Winter Soldier aren't dissimilar in character. Both are living weapons designed by evil men. Both can be unpredictable. And they're both badasses down to the core. And then that got me thinking, "What if Klaw or some other villain invades Wakanda?" Black Panther and his crew would be defending their fortress, but they can't be everywhere else. Perhaps T'Challa lets him out, Klaw idiotically lets him out, who knows--but if the Winter Soldier were to be released during such an attack, he could potentially wreck just as much havoc as the Panther himself. 

The problem with this is that Bucky is currently one-armed, having had his metallic arm blasted off by Iron Man during his daddy issues-fueled rampage in Civil War. So in my head, I was trying to figure out a way for Bucky to get a metallic arm attached to him before this scene that would be organic to the story. Maybe the writers could work that all out, but again, this movie isn't about Bucky--his inclusion should be minimal. And then I thought... screw it, let's have the Winter Soldier come out of the ice machine and take out Klaw's goons with one [frick]ing arm, showing how dangerous he truly is. 

I can see why people wouldn't want it. Black Panther HAS to be the coolest character in his own movie. We don't want Winter Soldier to show up and steal his spotlight. My argument is, it wouldn't. T'Challa and Bucky are both badass men, but they're in badass in different ways. I think this would be a great way to incorporate the character and possibly set him up for Avengers: Infinity War.

So, CBM, have I completely missed the mark once again? Let me know what you think in the usual place.

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Kurne
Kurne - 7/3/2016, 11:17 PM
On top of no metal arm, Bucky won't be in Winter Soldier mode either.

I don't know if that makes him any less dangerous, but if he's immediately coming out of sleep, I'd say he'd at least be more focused. Although I don't think T'Challa would do that to him, nor would he even have his hands on the trigger words.
Kurne
Kurne - 7/3/2016, 11:20 PM
I can actually see Klaw being a dumbass and releasing Bucky. Unless it's intentional/he knows the words.
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 7/4/2016, 3:12 AM
I can see at least part of the plot of Black Panther actually involving SOMEone trying to get at Bucky.
Utopian8418
Utopian8418 - 7/4/2016, 3:43 AM
I just hope that if he shows up, he is the only one to do so.
kong
kong - 7/4/2016, 7:20 AM
[frick] no.

If Bucky has a cameo then I totally lose faith in Marvel Studios, and it shows me they don't have respect for Black Panther.
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 7/4/2016, 10:33 AM
@kong - Thor is arguably a more well known character and Hawkeye cameo'd in his first movie. This would just be business as usual for Marvel not some sign they don't respect or have confidence in the character.
kong
kong - 7/4/2016, 10:40 AM
@huckfinnisher - You clearly don't understand the character of Black Panther, why I think it would be disrespectful, and how Hawkeye appearing for the 1st time with no lines isn't comparable to Bucky being a supporting character in his 3rd MCU with multiple lines.
kong
kong - 7/4/2016, 10:40 AM
*3rd MCU appearance
huckfinnisher
huckfinnisher - 7/4/2016, 10:49 AM
@kong - Yeah I agree that he should not be a main character in any way. I just think there is some sort of a happy medium where we can see him briefly. Would you be cool with a post credits scene featuring the Buckster? Think that would actually be a good way to not compromise the integrity of the BP movie and still appease the fans expecting a connection.
kong
kong - 7/4/2016, 3:27 PM
@huckfinnisher - Post-credit scene, sure.

Maybe T'Challa or his scientist have been working on a new arm for him, and he gets it back in the PCS.

As long as he isn't in the regular movie I'm good.
TomSolo
TomSolo - 7/4/2016, 5:02 PM
@kong - I think it might work if Klaw releases Bucky, Bucky goes apeshit, kills a few of Klaw's men with only one arm, then he is immediately subdued and almost killed by Klaw, only to have BP come in and save him. Bucky stays down though. BP takes out Klaw by himself. Post credits show BP's scientists giving Bucky a new Vibranium arm.

That, to me is a very small part... alomst a cameo. Bucky wouldn't be stealing the spotlight. After all, BP had no trouble with Bucky in CA:WS, so clearly he is the superior fighter. He should, in no way, be saving BP's ass. BP doesn't need another hero to help him.
TomSolo
TomSolo - 7/4/2016, 6:37 PM
@kong - Actually (man, you're gonna hate this, so I apologize ahead of time) I might be okay with Cap in this film as well. Not as Cap, of course, but as Steve.

It might be neat to see him laying low but still trying to help T'Challa, but at every turn, BP and his guys beat him to the punch or save his ass. It could be a neat way of showing that BP is truly the king of his domain and a total badass.
TucksFrom2015
TucksFrom2015 - 7/4/2016, 7:36 PM
@Kong - Right on

kong
kong - 7/4/2016, 10:49 PM
@TomSolo - Well then it's just redundant since, you know, we had a whole movie about that and then a sequel to that film where it happened twice.

I'm sick of seeing Bucky go "apeshit".

And so will the audience.
kong
kong - 7/4/2016, 10:49 PM
@WeddingTux -
TucksFrom2015
TucksFrom2015 - 7/5/2016, 11:58 AM
@kong - Ikr
TomSolo
TomSolo - 7/8/2016, 10:48 PM
@kong - I am definitely on your side with this. However, Marvel seems to have made it clear in their recent "solo" movies and future ones (except for Dr. Strange) that other heroes will pop up.

Ic thst is the case, then I would guess that Buckey and maybe Cap will be in the BP movie, since they are both shown to be in Wakanda at the end of Civil War. So what I said was from that angle, even though I hope it doesn't happen.

Ic Buckey has to be in it, maybe they thaw him out and he is cured but still only has one arm. Idk. If he has to be in it, hopefully it will be at the very end of the film after the main plot has been resolved.
kong
kong - 7/9/2016, 7:39 AM
@TomSolo - Doctor Strange doesn't have other characters because it's his first movie. Black Panther should be treated the same.
TomSolo
TomSolo - 7/9/2016, 9:19 PM
@kong - I agree 100%, and I hope that is the case. However, Ant-Man had a Falcon cameo, Thor had a Hawkeye cameo (which really wasn't much of anything though), Spider-Man is going to have Iron Man and maybe more. And, as I said, with both Bucky and Steve in Wakanda at the end of Civil War, I can't see Marvel not addressing Bucky's presence, at the very least. They seem to be very big on bringing in established characters into solo movies lately. I mean, just look at what Cap 2 and 3 turned into. More toys = More money for The Mouse. I really hope they put the stops on these big team-ups though. Just let the characters have their own movies. Infinity Wars will be around soon. Everyone can get in on that.
TheManWithoutFear
TheManWithoutFear - 7/4/2016, 9:41 AM
To me, you don't end Civil War with Cap and Bucky in Wakanda and then have the whole Black Panther film without seeing them at all. Black Panther (presumably) takes place in Wakanda and takes place after Civil War. I would be super dissapointed if they DIDN'T show up.

To all of those saying that including Cap and/or Bucky takes something away from this being a Black Panther film, I disagree. Have a little faith that these guys know what they're doing. Civil War had a huge roster of heroes and still managed to absolutely be a Cap film (IMO). Black Panther won't be any where near that number of supporting heroes.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 7/5/2016, 5:29 AM
He is totally right about moving his seat up. And concluding bucky in black panther would be really cool
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