Captain America:TFA; What Works and What Doesn't

Captain America:TFA; What Works and What Doesn't

Parafonia reviews Captain America:TFA. There will be spoilers in order to support the reviewers opinions.

Review Opinion
By parafonia - Jul 26, 2011 03:07 PM EST
Filed Under: Captain America

Let me begin by saying Captain America:TFA is the most gorgeous of this years comic book movies. Joe Johnstons choice of sepia-tones and vintage replicas of 1940s New York is exquisitely detailed. That happens to be the time period I most admire so he gets points for making that lost age come alive visually. Much has been written about the cgi that made "skinny Steve Rogers" possible. I won't say much on it except to disagree with those that say Chris Evans voice did not match his body and it was distracting. I found it to be perfectly believable and by the time Rogers is transformed it was only then that I had to adjust to hearing his voice come from his real body. All in all the scenes set in New York shine and really gave the film an atmosphere that helps make it worth seeing. I am afraid that without the New York scenes the movie would be completely forgettable, and here is why;
While Chris Evans did a great job and truly does own the role now, and Tommy Lee Jones was a much better used Big Star than Anthony Hopkins in Thor, and Hayley Atwater was INFINITELY more appealing and interesting than Natalie Portman in Thor, the rest of the cast was either underused, underdeveloped, or underwhelming. Buckys role was diminished but could have been very interesting as a sniper assisting Rogers' team on missions. Instead he dies too quickly and without much fanfare. The unnamed Howling Commandos were better used than the Warriors Three from Thor but I could not help thinking of Hogans Heroes. Minus the Nazis...and that is where the movie loses credibility in my eyes.
Having Hydra as an offshoot of Naziism is one thing but during this movie we only see three actual Nazis and while we see the red arm band every Nazi wore...we do not see the swastika on that arm band...or anywhere else in this World War 2 movie whose second and third acts are set in war torn Europe which was crawling with, um, Nazis. Except in this WW2 movie. In this WW2 movie it appears the war was fought in forests and soldiers didn't get bloody or even particularly dirty. These choices by Marvel and Johnston to be as politically correct as possible disappointed me. It neutered the actual war and replaced it with a combination of GI Joe and Hogans Heroes.
Chris Evans saves this snails paced and hokey film but just barely. Despite his earnest demeanor and broad shoulders the sanitized version of war, (Battle Los Angeles had a much better take on military combat even within a sci-fi setting), and the surprisingly bland Hugo Weaving in an uninspiring, almost pathetic portrayal of Red Skull very nearly ruins this movie.
One final complaint, and this is entirely on Joe Johnstons shoulders, the absence of background noise in nearly every scene became a distraction. For example, when Rogers rushes out into the streets of 21st century New York for the first time....it is quiet as a baby sleeping. I would have filled that scene with all the sounds of modern NYC.
The musical score is the best of the cbms we have seen this year. Chris Evans is a solid choice for Cap. The movie looks retro beautiful. There is A LOT to build on as positives for the next film but, and this should say it all, it bothers me that the only actual exciting moments came when the audience saw the Avengers trailer. That is something I hope Marvel considers as it moves forward. We need the movies to match the excitement of the trailers.

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CraptainAmerica
CraptainAmerica - 7/26/2011, 4:15 PM
It's Hayley AtWELL.

I'm wouldn't worry about the swastikas. Period based Superhero movie. Not a history lesson.

I don't think it's a case or being politically correct. It just wasn't relevant to the story arc. Hydra was. They were the singular enemy in this story.

Weaving played a sinister villain. He is a subdued,calculated, confident villain (that thinks himself a God) who doesn't need to scream or be colourful to be villainous. I thought he played the Red Skull the way I view the character. Opinions differ.

As for the forests...the locations matched that of the secretive organisation. If it were to match history piece for piece we'd have had more Nazis and Cap storming Omagh Beach...but that would have served little purpose in this portion of Steve's story.

I'm not trying to point these out because I don't value your opinion sir. They are just the same reservations that everybody else has (Nazis) that are minor on the grand scale of the entire movie. I agree with all of your positive points though. Very much so.

Nice write up none the less :-)
CaptainTall
CaptainTall - 7/26/2011, 5:14 PM
I liked the movie. I only had two problems with it.

He had no training shown when it comes to shield fighting, piloting a plane, paratrooping, knife throwing, hand to hand combat, stealth, etc.

Yet he executes them masterfully. But the only reason that irks me is because people made such a big deal about it with Green Lantern, but at least he had some training.

And some of the fighting scenes looked like crap.

Also, about your criticism of Weaving, I can see what you mean. After we've been spoiled with amazing performances such as Ledger as Joker, it's hard to live up to the villain role.

There's one scene I hate with the Red Skull, and that's the scene where he drives up to the town and has a "GRRRRR" face. That seemed so campy.


But nonetheless his portrayal was great and his accent reminded me of the sinisterness of a snake, which I loved.

All in all, good film.
JackDexx
JackDexx - 7/26/2011, 5:43 PM
megamattmos he didn't train he was suppose to be like back alley fighting not trained military man. all his stuff was suppose to be ordinary. joker wasnt that good. red skull was great.
VaCubFan
VaCubFan - 7/26/2011, 6:29 PM
@NathanDrake... you had my backing with the training comment, but "joker wasn't that good"??? seriously?? if you're talking about Caesar Romero's Joker, maybe... but Heath Ledger was a-f'n'mazing and a complete psycho! anyone that could think otherwise couldn't possibly have seen that movie but rather only seen pictures!!

...and @article author-- this was far and away the best CBM of the year, even when nitpicking! yes it lacked Namor and Wolvie, but story, visually, etc.. Johnston, IMO, nailed it. perhaps a 2nd viewing would make you rethink???
parafonia
parafonia - 7/26/2011, 7:20 PM
I would say XMen First Class is the best cbm of the year. Captain America is a close second. Then Green Lantern with Thor bringing up the rear. I liked captain America despite its flaws. I agree with Megamatt that some of the combat looked like crap. I feel the final battle against Red Skull was underwhelming but it was better than the final battle in XMen First Class. Funnily enough, even though Thor is my least favorite cbm of the year I felt it had the best final battle with Loki, and the frost Giant battles were great.
each of this years cbms had a mix of good and bad. For captain America the good is every single possible still frame poster would be one worth having because the movie really does look absolutely gorgeous.
As for Weaving I would never ever compare his Red Skull to Ledgers Joker in a favorable way. Never. Weaving didnt seem particular menacing and his accent was poorly delivered. He looked good, sure, but the kind of insanity and hate that Nazis were known for was lacking in Weavings portrayal imo.
CaptainTall
CaptainTall - 7/26/2011, 8:44 PM
This is probably the best review on here, very well thought out and well written.

Something positive I would add to the movie would be the relationship with Cap and Peggy didn't feel forced at all (Like with Thor and Jane). That was actually one of the more charming parts of the movie.

And ever since The Incredible Hulk, I've been waiting for a satisfying final fight from Marvel Studios. And Captain America delivered!
whatevillurks
whatevillurks - 7/26/2011, 9:19 PM
I so tired of this "no nazis" argument. HYDRA is retconned in the movie as a special division of the reich like the Waffen SS. Cap and the Commandos are tasked to fight mainly against them. Its their assignment. Regular forces of the Allied powers are handling the rest of Hitler's war machine. The history behind nazi ideology is presented well during Erskine's lecture to Steve in the barracks(a scene that also hints at the holocaust). If the movie was laced with swastika's it would have upped he rating in Germany and made it harder for kids to see it. Plus it keeps something as trivial as a super hero movie from hijacking real history(something you have to take into account when airing the movie in places like Russia, it could offend them; and for good reason, they lost thirty million people). The WWII presented in the comics is goofy(vampires, zombies, anti gravity saucers, etc...)so WHAT THE HECK DID YOU EXPECT? Johnson nailed it. I feel it was better than X men FC which did not even MENTION the civil right movement.
whatevillurks
whatevillurks - 7/26/2011, 10:00 PM
Also, the swastika was not a standard part of any German combat uniform or used as an insignia on equipment.
CaptainTall
CaptainTall - 7/26/2011, 10:17 PM
It's not showed in the movie, which it should have been. It doesn't make me an "idiot" for not knowing what exactly people joining the military go through.

Because I haven't nor will I ever join the military.

So when I criticize that portion of the movie, it's something I feel should have been shown. Training is important. They made it look like a sick, skinny little guy from Brooklyn was a kung fu master all of a sudden.
parafonia
parafonia - 7/26/2011, 10:47 PM
Thanks for the compliments Megamatt! And may I say I admire how well written and principled you seem to be without insulting others.
You are right about the way the relationship is handled between Steve and Peggy. It felt organic, natural, and sincere. Not forced like in Thor, or as a bit of hinted at innuendo as in Green Lantern, (That relationship between Hal and Carol was much more believable than what we saw in Thor however! I dont think the Mystique/Magneto relationship was handled properly either but that is another article altogether I guess.)
As for the Nazi imagery...it WAS everywhere in Europe in WW@. Everywhere the Nazis went so did their symbols and flags and insignias. Being sensitive to peoples feelings is just more P.C. B.S. that is wiping out western civilization. Changing history does not change what people did. it only changes how we make them feel about what they did.
Coloso
Coloso - 7/26/2011, 11:54 PM
Look MegaMattMOS, there was no way they were gonna be able to fit that training in there. The movie was already 2 hours long, it wasn't needed and the movie turned out great. Marvel has stated over and over again that there were time gaps left intentionally for future story lines. You know this movie stretched over several years right? Cheer up, you'll get your "training" eventually and quit nitpicking.

And in what universe is GL better than Thor?! Some of the revisionist history that goes on here is very laughable. Thank god that's your opinion and only an opinion because the facts don't support it :P
whatevillurks
whatevillurks - 7/27/2011, 4:35 AM
I've been to Germany. Beleive me, they do not whiewash their history. Its a stain no one will let them live down. None of the movie takes places in any urban areas of Europe so your not going to see loads and loads of banners.
Aiiwolf
Aiiwolf - 7/27/2011, 4:35 AM
@ Parafonia

Nice Review, I think the Red skull on the other hand was awesome, Weaving nailed that character as I always expected him to be when I read the comics. Thna again I dont think Weaving would of signed up for a BAD movie (transformers excluded lol )....

I agree, "First Class" was the Best CBM this summer. I loved that movie, mostly because of the character development and script. Captain America would come a close second because, I believe Chris Evans really capture Captain america's character on screen, I forgot that he was "the human torch"...And the comment above with the "back alley fighting" that was my reply to the statement as well lol.

1.X-Men: First Class
2.Captain America (If not a tie)
3.Thor
4.Green Lantern

The problem with Green Lantern was they put decades of GL history in a 2 and half hour movie lol...tsk tsk...and the relationship "COULD" of been believable between Lively and Reynold on GL...but, there was barely any character development between the two characters in the GL...I could careless about lively if Paralax killed her.

Problem with Thor was he was on earth for a few days and becomes a "GOOD MAN"...He's not arrogant, and hes not proud, oh and he still remembers who he is after his father threw him down to live a human life, i just dont get how you can change your personality in matter of days a man cant change that fast....tsk tsk.
whatevillurks
whatevillurks - 7/27/2011, 4:59 AM
I also thought they captured Red Skull well.

1. Having ambition beyond Hitler and the reich is canon.

2. He ordered the tank to destroy the village in Norway.

3. Opted to blow up his own factory with his men still inside fighting and work POW's to death in this same factory.

4. Excecuted a scientest for not not dying in a Cap/Howling Commandos attack.
BlanketMan
BlanketMan - 7/27/2011, 8:45 AM
I counted three swastikas shown in the flick: A huge B&W one at the beginning of the propaganda film at the very beginning; on the armband of the Nazi who the Skull vaporizes, and on the armband of the fake Hitler who tries to sneak up on Steve in the USO show. I thought the large first one was sufficient to remind us who the bad guys were (but seeing a few more wouldn't have hurt). But they mentioned Germany and Hitler quite a few times, and, heck, even Cap's awesome theme song contains the line "goose-stepping goons from Berlin"! It wasn't like Johnston was hiding who the enemy was, although "Hydra" was certainly at the fore-front.
CaptainTall
CaptainTall - 7/27/2011, 9:23 AM
@Coloso, Well they do a poor job of showing it, that I remember, except for at the end where he sleeps for seventy years.

Albeit it had a lot of problems, I found it to be more enjoyable than Thor.
SpiderFan35
SpiderFan35 - 7/27/2011, 12:20 PM
I agree the film looked great.
However, I think if you asked any historians or people who were alive in the 40's, the stylized Hollywood version of the world at that time is probably not perfect. Therefore, I would not get too excited saying that the war was not depicted accurately either.

And I have seen some great films and documentaries that have depicted the horrors of war accurately and graphically, and while educational and important, they leave me feeling disturbed and sick (as they should), which is not really what I want from my CBMs.

We know the villains of WW2 are Nazis, they showed some swastikas and mentioned it a few times, that's enough. They were an evil group of people that did horrible things and I don't want to think about that too much while watching a superhero movie for fun. I don't want to see "actual war".

Don't forget Cap was created as a symbol of hope to boost morale and distract people from the actual horrors and atrocities happening at the time, and that has not changed much, CBMs are about escapism and distraction so I think this movie did its job.

I enjoyed Thor as well but the thing I appreciated about Cap was that the humour was not as corny, it was funny without being silly or cheesy.
EarOne
EarOne - 7/27/2011, 1:30 PM
my only problem with the film, which i hope will be addressed in The Avengers and future Cap sequel(s) is Cap's fighting.

the guy's a top pugilist, no? i mean as Cap, not Steve..he's supposed to know all these fighting techniques right? he's got no laser beams coming out of his eyes or he can't shoot fire from his as- i mean, hands...what does he do?? he KICKS ASS. so, the least they should do is...SHOW him FIGHTING. after watching the movie, all i can remember is the gorgeous look of the movie, but i can't remember seeing Cap really going at it, in an up-close, in yo face kind of fight scene. they're all seem to be long shots. actually, the best shot fight scene is when that bully slappin the skinny steve around like a little bitch...

i think to do this, they should probably have the final fight with RS more "you're there with em" kind of treatment, or give RS some serious badass henchmen who'd give Cap a serious problem. darn it! i wanna see Cap does his stuff in hand-to-hand, foot-to-ass..and that they didn't quite deliver.

but, overall, i'd say the movie's a good start and did its purpose quite well.
KungFuKoala
KungFuKoala - 8/1/2011, 6:15 AM
I more or less pretty much agree with the review, although I came out of the theater feeling more satisfied than this particular reviewer.

For me, the film can be split into two distinct parts. Everything up until he sees the vibranium prototype, and then everything after that. Part 1 was exquisitely executed. Perfectly paces, developed and dramatized. I felt that Marvel had got back to making movies (Iron man, Incredible Hulk) and not just comic book translations (IM2, Thor). The characters were spot on and portrayed excellently by the cast.

And then came Part 2, and the film started sinking faster than the Titanic after a brush with an iceberg. There was no time spent on Steve as an active Captain America. It felt like Marvel hit the fast forward button in a bid to a) cut straight to the Avengers, and b) keep the running time under 2 hours. We saw Cap's missions condensed into a 3 minute montage. Criminal. And before you know it, Cap's plunging into the arctic, and the audience isn't ready for it. The tragic climax doesn't resonate because the audience isn't emotionally engaged at that point. I came out the theater with the sensation that I must have fallen asleep and missed 20 minutes in the middle. Had the pacing from the first half continued throughout, this would easily have been Marvel's best feature to date (yes, even better than Iron Man).

I just can't get my head around the contradiction of intents. Is Kevin Feige getting impatient watching the early edits and demanding the movies get on and tell the Avengers tale, and not Cap's? Marvel are in real danger of messing up The Avengers, as I reckon they'll spend half the movie setting up a sequel, and forget to make a good movie in the first place.. They need to focus on making a great movie, that's all.
cartersabroad
cartersabroad - 8/9/2011, 6:13 PM
I enjoyed the review immensely. Thanks for putting yourself out there. I appreciated your comment on my review too. I thought the summer stacked like this:
Captain America
X-Men
Thor
Green Lantern
Cowboys and Aliens (It was a graphic novel)
cartersabroad
cartersabroad - 8/9/2011, 6:17 PM
BTW, Weaving's comment before shooting the surviving scientist defined his villainy. Villains are defined by their brutality. Darth Vader and Joker killed someone violently within the first minute of screen time. Villains kill without hestitation or remorse and Red Skull fit the bill.
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