Is Captain America Doomed?

Is Captain America Doomed?

An editorial on recent Captain America plot news.

Editorial Opinion
By jman1977 - Feb 10, 2010 09:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Captain America

This from director Joe Johnston:

"The costume is a flag, but the way we're getting around that is we have Steve Rogers forced into the USO circuit. After he’s made into this super-soldier, they decide they can't send him into combat and risk him getting killed. He’s the only one and they can't make more. So they say, ‘You're going to be in this USO show’ and they give him a flag suit. He can't wait to get out of it. It was never in the comics, because they didn't really need it. In comics, he puts on the costume and the reader just justifies because of the nature of the medium."

Does this idea scare only me? It not only scares me but also raises some serious questions. For instance, if Captain America is a one of a kind super soldier, and the government cant make any more why is he reduced to performing in the USO? That's like saying to Tom Cruise: 'We know your one of a kind and we cant risk you having a bad part in any movie from here on out, so now you will work at McDonalds!' Doesnt really add up. How long will this segment last? To me it seems like a 30 minute filler.

Sounds like the emo Parker idea all over again.

I get that this is a movie and that Joe wants to have a solid back story for why Cap is in the red white and blue duds, but COME ON MAN! No musical build ups. One word for this idea CHEESE! It's as easy as saying the Captain America suit is designed to strike fear into the Nazi's that Cap is fighting and to portray the greatest country on Earth, The United States of America!!!

The last patriotic movie moment we received was when Spidey was running in front of an American Flag across a roof top in Spider-Man 3. This is Captain America people, this movie should have tons of patriotic movie moments, not try to avoid them.

Does this doom Captain America? No, but one bad idea can put a crappy spin on a good movie, making you wish they would have handled it differently leaving a negative impression.

Captain America is one of the most important CBM's to nail. It has to be good and that's why I am worried about the USO idea. Like Barakapool, there really is no need for it.

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Shaman
Shaman - 2/10/2010, 9:57 AM
WHACHOO TALKIN' BOUT WILLIS?!?!?!?! I do believe MultiPurposePoni already addressed this and his argument was flawless speeking from his personal military experience no less. Don't fret Chet, the concept will be fine, accurate, logically adapated for our time and breathtaking on screen! America or any other country should think about defense first and offense second. It's only logical for them to keep Cap as their Ace "in case of" the enemy gets into their territory. I mean they litteraly have JUST ONE of them. Would you send out your best soldier in the front line to get possibly killed???
ItsNotASchooner
ItsNotASchooner - 2/10/2010, 10:01 AM
Disagree, you're an idiot. The concept is great to introduce the costume in a realistic-style situation for the movie. MOVIE! M-O-V-I-E !!!
Pym
Pym - 2/10/2010, 10:01 AM
I wouldn't over analyze everything you hear. We're lucky Johnson has been this vocal about the movie to begin with. I'm confident he knows what he's doing.
jman1977
jman1977 - 2/10/2010, 10:02 AM
Im sure Multi did say something about this already, thats fine, but this is my point of view. And since Im not Multi and Im not in the military I felt I should post my view on this bit of Cap news. It is marked as an Editorial.
ItsNotASchooner
ItsNotASchooner - 2/10/2010, 10:03 AM
Next you're probably gonna complain that The Incredible Hulk NOT wearing purple pants was a bad idea.
AngryRob
AngryRob - 2/10/2010, 10:04 AM
I think it makes perfect sense, Instead of risking him on the front lines they make him a symbol. And it explains why he'd be wearing head wings
XmutantX
XmutantX - 2/10/2010, 10:04 AM
yea shaman is right multi did post this wit alot more details..if u want ur questions answered go check out his page....he sums it up nicely!
schooner@ no name calling! :P
~X
jman1977
jman1977 - 2/10/2010, 10:04 AM
I think people are so geared up for Cap news, that they are very passive and overlook what they have heard, EX:ItsNotASchooner. Every idea is not gold, Im just being skeptical. Everything else I have heard sounds great, this is the one neg. Keep an open mind, dont believe the idea is good because someone tells you it is.
ItsNotASchooner
ItsNotASchooner - 2/10/2010, 10:05 AM
I just happen to think its a really great way to introduce a very cheesy looking costume into a realistic setting.
CRITIC17
CRITIC17 - 2/10/2010, 10:06 AM
No worries jman!!! I'm sure everything will have a way of working itself out and will get a terrific Captain America movie... with Sam Worthington as Cap. :)
Shaman
Shaman - 2/10/2010, 10:06 AM
jman1977- No problem bud, it's all good and natural to fear what we might not understand up front :) I completely understand your point of view but this is a very realistic aproach. I think it'll be fine!

Good editorial btw :)
padrejeff
padrejeff - 2/10/2010, 10:07 AM
I think it'll work out. Besides, when you see him punch the Red Skull in the face or go at with all the other Invaders, I don't think we'll worry about how sparkling his constume is.
skidz
skidz - 2/10/2010, 10:08 AM
Come on, you may not be a history buff, but the US has done a lot of that, we get a big gun and it disappears under a lot of red tape. Calling Steve Rogers a 'hero' doesn't mean he started out that way. His training was really short and he wasn't field tested, so his superiors are probably panicking and because of that he gets shoved into a corner and becomes a gimic, he's a hero because he won't let them get away with that and puts himself out there on the field to fight, anyway.
jusme6
jusme6 - 2/10/2010, 10:09 AM
I think it'll be alright. It'll definitely make a hero in tights more believable. Why would a tough-guy WW2 vet wear tights anyway? I think this altercation of the story would be a great way of answering that question. Also, Steve Rogers success in Project Rebirth was a miracle of science. You can't risk loosing him before you can duplicate him--that's why he's not fighting. It makes sense to me.

I know change is scary jman, but we'll get through this together.
imnotwearinghockeypants
imnotwearinghockeypants - 2/10/2010, 10:11 AM
Captain America is not a guy who'd want to ride the bench. He'd force himself onto the front lines, the guy is a patriot. He'd want Nazi bullets targeting him, not his US soldier brethren. I think the USO idea sounds stupid. Really stupid.
padrejeff
padrejeff - 2/10/2010, 10:12 AM
Jman, I think its time for a Captain America group hug.:)
fanboiii
fanboiii - 2/10/2010, 10:13 AM
You're not being skeptical. You're being cynical. Huge difference. There's no point in attacking little narrative details when we don't know how they will play out. Stop being a cynic. Wait and see.
thwhtGuardian
thwhtGuardian - 2/10/2010, 10:13 AM
I think it'll add a layer of drama that we haven't seen before rather than being like emo Parker.
Like johnston says, in the comic you accepted the the US government supplied him with the suite...because it's a comic, and there were already other guys in suites. But for the movie there aren't any other superheroes, Captain America is he first one, the one hero that all the other future heroes will emulate. So it makes sense that instead of being given a suit that he should have to consciously choose to wear it.
It seems like the movie is going to show case that, he's given this big ridicules show costume, and he resents the symbolism at first...but then after he strikes out on his own he realizes that the symbolism is important so he adopts some of the symbols from the clown suit and creates the first true super hero costume.

I feel like that moment where he realizes that he needs to look a little garish and larger than life will be one of the coolest parts of any superhero movie. It's just a feeling, but I think it's going to be a powerful image.
XmutantX
XmutantX - 2/10/2010, 10:14 AM
Tea@ hmm..i thought i saw the table raise :P

Jman@ i like the fact that u took a diff approach 2 this info and expressed ur tru feelings..it shows u hav passion 4 this character...i felt the same skeptisism when 1st reading this...till i read multis in depth article...it made alotta sense...the way they r actually goin 2 be transforming the cap costume throughout the movie intrigued me the most! it wont be cheesy by the end....my advice..find multis article and read it...it will change ur mind :)
~X
juggy4711
juggy4711 - 2/10/2010, 10:14 AM
I would be more worried about the patriotic messages and symbolism it needs to be full of turning off crowds overseas and unfortunately here in the US. It won't matter if fans like it or not. If it tanks at the box office we can forget about Avengers.
Boekelaar
Boekelaar - 2/10/2010, 10:15 AM
It sounding a bit like flags of our fathers to me, which is good because I enjoyed that movie lol

oh and jman you're perfectly entitled to your own opinion and you do make a strong point, it is worrying when they deviate from the source material a bit.

No need for name calling indeed ;)
ATOMbomb
ATOMbomb - 2/10/2010, 10:15 AM
Makes perfect sense to me. This is a movie after all, a comic book can not be exactly the same on film. Same people need to realize that.
Shaman
Shaman - 2/10/2010, 10:16 AM
imnotwearinghockeypants- Dude, if the whole movie was Cap being part of a USO show singing show tunes and enjoying his sweet ass time in the spotlight, it would be stupid. But that's not the case! Cap goes AWOL!!! Johnston already explained this! He doesn't LIKE being in the USO show! SO he stealths his way out and heads for Hitler! Plus it's way more believable for him to try and infiltrate the enemy base rather than to take it head on! Cap wants to win this, not run at a firing range screamin' "You Nazi Bastards!!!". In fact, this concept is the smartest thing they could have come up with. The original comic creaters should have thought of it themselves and i don't care if it is blasphemy!
spectre1983
spectre1983 - 2/10/2010, 10:16 AM
A little off topic but @imnotwearinghockeypants... Shouldn't your name be imnotwearinghockeyPADs?
MisterFixit
MisterFixit - 2/10/2010, 10:17 AM
Imnot@ I do not think it is more stupid than wear a costume blue stars and stripes in the midst of all that green and brown on the battlefield
ngu13
ngu13 - 2/10/2010, 10:20 AM
they have to get it rite they cant do a reboot b4 the avengers .... well they can .....omg ...no more we are sorry we fxxxxxx your film up lets try again .......
P862010
P862010 - 2/10/2010, 10:20 AM
he did it in the comic


rosco71
rosco71 - 2/10/2010, 10:23 AM
lets face it, this character is way too rediculous to be taken seriously!
XmutantX
XmutantX - 2/10/2010, 10:23 AM
shaman@ r me and u the only 1's here that read multis article?..everybuddys saying things and all they hav 2 do is read the damn article hahaha...IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING PEOPLE!!!!!!
Betty
Betty - 2/10/2010, 10:25 AM
Jman-- The USO show thing IS lame. But I think it's supposed to be. I think it's meant to be complementary to how awesome Captain America is when he fully becomes ol' Cappy.

Also, I read somewhere that when he is unvailed as Captain America at this USO show, he will be wearing the comic book uniform to a T. Which will be cool to us but still kinda lame. Later after he discards the USO costume but embraces Captain America we get to see him in what might be his real battle uniform.

The USO thing sounds lame but it should work out. There are a ton of things in movie land that sound lame because I'm not actually sitting there under the illusion of the movie. The first time I saw a trailer for the first Matrix movie, I thought it looked lame and "unreal".
MisterFixit
MisterFixit - 2/10/2010, 10:26 AM
P86@ good call. Yes,he did
seraphxenokhan
seraphxenokhan - 2/10/2010, 10:26 AM
I just hope they keep the darker blue and keep it as real as possible. I personally like the Cap suit that looks military issued(one of you post please :-D). Story could work. In this scenario I would like to see Cap being annoyed with sitting on the side lines and disobeying orders to do some ars kicking!
JoshWilding
JoshWilding - 2/10/2010, 10:30 AM
I guess that this would make a lot more sense for the character as it presents a more realistic reason why he would wear a costume. I'm with tea - the interesting story possibilites this presents has actually made me more excited! :)
P862010
P862010 - 2/10/2010, 10:31 AM
people just think cap was always mr serious 100% of the time throughout the comics and that is just not true
Scion
Scion - 2/10/2010, 10:37 AM
This is a much better spin on the character which grounds him in reality. People need to feel what he's feeling... they want the audiences to understand his drive. His frustrations with being used as something other than a soldier will resonate and no pun intended his true colors will shine.
UatU
UatU - 2/10/2010, 10:37 AM
Maybe Cap. can't stand the idea of just being a mascot while his brothers in arms are dying, and some other soldiers probably don't like the idea of this one guy getting all the attention while taking no risk... so one night he sneaks away from the USO camp off to the front lines where battle is taking place, and ends up turning the tide of the fight both physically and as a symbol on the front lines... potential to be a cool moviehero moment.
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