COMICS: 'Scott Lang' Battles A Resurrected 'Darren Cross' In First Look At ANT-MAN #5

COMICS: 'Scott Lang' Battles A Resurrected 'Darren Cross' In First Look At ANT-MAN #5

Darren Cross has returned, but his resurrection has left Cassie Lang in mortal peril! The pink hued villain was the first foe Scott ever faced as Ant-Man, and history repeats itself here as the two once again go to battle. Hit the jump for a first look at this Wedneday's Ant-Man #5...

By JoshWilding - May 03, 2015 05:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Comics
There aren't actually any explosions - but there IS a big showdown with our poorly lit villain, and plenty of heartbreak to go around. Nothing will be the same again! Except you're still aging. That's not going anywhere.







ANT-MAN #5
Written by NICK SPENCER
Pencils by RAMON ROSANAS
Cover by MARK BROOKS
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DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 5/3/2015, 5:20 AM
Cool, can't wait for Ant-Man!!
Spyder
Spyder - 5/3/2015, 5:21 AM
Marvel does this all the time and I think it's a great strategy to get the uninitiated familiar with the 616 versions of characters before they see the MCU versions. Plus it boosts sales for comics which is always good.
grif
grif - 5/3/2015, 5:57 AM
pink hulk?
Snotzo
Snotzo - 5/3/2015, 6:00 AM
Yep pink hulk in a speedo. But seriously this is one of the best titles if you enjoy a bit of snarky humor.
DarkModeDan
DarkModeDan - 5/3/2015, 6:26 AM
I love how three out of the four characters in those panels have been dead over the past few years.

Scott Lang
Cassie Lang
Daren Cross

All DEAD, and now all back, just in time for Ant-man too! :P

marvel72
marvel72 - 5/3/2015, 6:29 AM
Doesn't Ant-Man take on Taskmaster soon or as that already happened?
Invictor
Invictor - 5/3/2015, 6:30 AM
@InfiniteMonkey

Looks like a prokaryotic cell.
mgeoff88
mgeoff88 - 5/3/2015, 6:55 AM
@InfiniteMonkey Lol! That's bacteria he is riding on.

Better question, how could Ant-Man be breathing in someone's blood stream without a breathing apparatus?
MindQuad
MindQuad - 5/3/2015, 7:09 AM
Scott Lang is shit, imo. I am not sure I will ever be able to get over what the MCU has done to Hank and Janet. Now, unfortunately, the films are shaping the comic universes more and more. I hope the MCU uses the time gem to fix this major mis-step caused by Edgar Wright.
HulkOnion
HulkOnion - 5/3/2015, 7:16 AM
[racial slur] please,these are comics.


Stop questioning
Verzwei
Verzwei - 5/3/2015, 7:55 AM
IMHO this is one the best series Marvel has at the moment. The first one was absolutely incredible and really funny! This ranks pretty high for me, alongside Daredevil and Superior Iron Man.
MindQuad
MindQuad - 5/3/2015, 8:10 AM
@VisualMaximus

One could argue that, but they would be wrong. lol Hank Pym has always ben a member of the Avengers. Placing him in the 60's without the rest of the Avengers makes zero sense. But yeah, Edgar Wright is a douche bag. I will never see another one of his films if I can help it.
PymParticle
PymParticle - 5/3/2015, 9:06 AM
MindQuad
"Scott Lang is shit, imo. I am not sure I will ever be able to get over what the MCU has done to Hank and Janet. Now, unfortunately, the films are shaping the comic universes more and more. I hope the MCU uses the time gem to fix this major mis-step caused by Edgar Wright."

Hear hear. The sad part is that the MCU success is contaminating the comics now. The movies are but a shallow and hollow reflection of the rich stories and characters of the comics.

It would actually not be a difficult feat to bring this richness to the big screen, Iron Man and the Captain America films did to an extent, but Avengers 2 showed that Marvel is only interested in the money and they will allocate every second they can to useless jokes, forced romantic plots and ridiculous expositional CGI sequences. - Besides this, most characters are reduces to a fraction of their comic book counterparts, and in case of Ultron and the likes; a mere joke.

BuckyCap
BuckyCap - 5/4/2015, 10:55 AM
@Crabnado

This series is tanking just like I predicted it would months ago. Fewer than 40,000 copies were ordered by comic shops in all of North America by the time it hit its third issue. It's cancel is imminent. They'll probably keep it alive just long enough for the Ant-Man movie to be released.

January - Ant-Man debuts at #7 and sells 73,370 copies of its first issue to comic shops

February - Ant-Man falls to #44, selling 40,192 copies of its second issue.

March - Ant-Man falls another ten spots to #54. Only 37,139 copies sold to comic shops.

Can't wait to see what April's numbers look like. "Decent job of marketing" indeed.

BuckyCap
BuckyCap - 5/4/2015, 7:07 PM
Oh, goodness. Where to begin?

First, and most importantly, the books it is beating are irrelevant to that fact that it is selling like shit. That's the bottom line.

Having said that, I'll happily take the time to point out some things you failed to mention in your naive rationalization.

Ant-Man was on its 3rd issue. Most of those comics you listed had been running for well over a year and were on issues numbered in the teens. Ant-Man gets stomped when you compare 3rd issues to 3rd issues, and won't last as long as they have. Fantastic Four was on its 644th issue and has been cancelled, with Marvel citing poor sales. Ant-Man only sold 4,000 issues more than Fantastic 4.

Additionally, you have left out problems surrounding many of the books that have definitely affected the popularity of the title. Allow me to enlighten you to just a few.

Ant-Man didn't out-sell Spider-Woman. That is why Spider-Woman has a 43 next to it and Ant-Man has a 54. Derp.

X-Men, which is on its 25th issue, contains an all-female team which happens to be the least popular team in X-Men history. It also happens to be the least popular of the X-Men titles currently available. All-New X-Men and Uncanny X-Men, both approaching 40 issues, soundly beat Ant-Man in sales.

Inhuman had been out for a year, was on its 13th issue and had been plagued with problems since its conception. The series was supposed to be written by Matt Fraction and launch in January of 2014 as part of the All-New Marvel NOW! promotion. Fraction simply left. They rushed to find a replacement writer and ended up delaying its launch until April. It was one of the most disastrous Marvel title launches of the new millennium. I am sure out-selling it was a huge accomplishment.

Bucky Barnes: The Winter Soldier is an experimental comic, and has specifically been called so by Marvel. It was created simply to have a Winter Soldier comic on the shelves when the second Captain America film was released. The artwork itself dissuades many potential readers and makes the convoluted story even more burdensome to follow. This series didn't even appeal to all of the Winter Soldier fans. You know this, though.

If you wanted an accurate sales comparison between Scott Lang and Winter Soldier, then you would use Winter Soldier's original solo title. It just so happens that run went for 19 issues, which is something we both know that the current Ant-Man title has no chance of achieving. It lacks the writing talent and character popularity.

If you wanted an accurate sales comparison between Scott Lang and the hero after whom I named myself, then you would compare the numbers from Bucky's time as Captain America. My username is BuckyCap, not BuckyWinterSoldier.

We both know that Captain America sales skyrocketed while Bucky was Captain America, that the title sold two and a half times more issues per month than Ant-Man has sold, that the title maintained sales of around 75,000 copies per month one year after after Bucky took the mantle (more than Ant-Man #1), that Bucky sold more comics as Captain America than Steve Rogers sold as Captain America and that Bucky's wildly popular and successful run as Captain America only ended because Marvel executives wanted the Captain America in the comics to match the one in the film.

"and that's the sand that is going to remain in your v."

Is it though? I think you're going to need to try a little harder than that.

BuckyCap
BuckyCap - 5/4/2015, 10:21 PM
@Crabnado

Excuses? You mean like when you said "B-b-but he beat these other comics that have been out for over a year!" LMAO!

His popularity didn't fall off the face of the Earth. Perhaps you missed the part about the first Winter Soldier series running for over 19 issues over almost 2 years?

What are you knocking My Little Pony for? It's third issue still outsold Ant-Man's (43,579 copies in Feb of 2013). I also think you missed Marvel's Ant-Man Prelude - Marvel's movie-promoting comic.

You might have missed its release, even though it's #1 issue roared into comic shops with a staggering 14,971 copies sold, placing it at number 145 on the list. It managed a whopping 11,800 copies in March (no doubt a testament to how psyched people are for the film), which was enough to get it ranked 168.

What say you, Mr.168?



For anyone keeping score at home, here is where the numbers are being collected: http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales.html
BuckyCap
BuckyCap - 5/5/2015, 2:38 PM
@Crabnado

Was Ant-Man in the Ant-Man prelude? Because I didn't mention Scott Lang, whose movie introduction in the comics was relegated to a digital-only "Marvel Infinite" comic (lol) called Scott Lang: Small Time.

Would you prefer "Mr. Digital-Download?"

That's an interesting theory that you have about the next Captain America film. Let's examine its merits...

"could it be that bucky wasn't a strong enough draw?"

Captain America: The Winter Soldier pulled in over $714 million at the theaters worldwide. It received an 89% score from critics and a 92% score from audiences on Rotten Tomatoes. The actor portraying Bucky signed to a 9 picture deal, which is as many as Samuel L. Jackson, ensuring plenty of Buckage in future Marvel films.

Bucky himself has recently held three solo titles, was in multiple titles of teams which he led and has been at the center of a Marvel comics event. This is after being reintroduced, after a 60 year hiatus, to a new generation who knew nothing about him. He held solo titles and led multiple teams with titles back when he was first introduced during WW2.

He was ranked 53rd on the list of greatest superheroes of all time, being called the most iconic side-kick after Robin and one of the most central players in the Marvel Universe since his time as Captain America.

I don't think character appeal is a problem. He seems plenty popular enough with comic readers across multiple generations, movie audiences and Marvel executives.

Oh, and in case you were interested, Eric O' Grady was ranked 82nd on the list, Hank Pym was ranked 67th and Scott Lang didn't make the cut.

"it was supposed to be his story afterall."

I'd assume they are packing the Captain America film with so many superheroes because it would be difficult to pull off a Civil War film with only a couple heroes, but that's just me.

The film wasn't always going to be Civil War. The announcement came after Warner Bros. announced that their next film would be Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice. I think most rational people would assume that Marvel is trying to compete with Warner Bros., whose film is being released the same year around the same time, by releasing a product in which heroes fight one another.

Your suggestion that Bucky wasn't popular to have his story told, despite two movie appearances with multiple story arcs already, doesn't quite follow to logic and seems to be more based on your emotion.

Additionally, his story is still going to be told during the Civil War movie and continued far into the future because of the 9 picture deal to which Marvel signed the actor. Don't fret. You're going to be seeing much more of him in the movies!

"maybe someone realized that he was just Cable w/ more mascara and less testosterone."

A mutant from the future with a techno virus and psychic powers is the same as a soldier from World War 2 who was brainwashed and trained to be the world's best assassin? You must be one of those kids who always gets Deadpool confused with Spider-Man.

I was also unaware that the amount of testosterone a character possessed was equivalent to the number of pouches Rob Liefeld drew on them, but I guess that's how his mind works.

I'm a bit surprised that you've decided to start insulting his appearance. "Well, he looks stupid," is an argument I would expect from a small child who is unable to employ reason in a debate.

"is it any wonder that they couldn't spin that character into a successful solo series; at least not w/o the captain America title as a crutch."

Except they did spin him into a successful solo series. Not only did he have the most successful run Captain America to ever exist, but he enjoyed multiple solo titles during WW2, a Winter Soldier solo-title that spanned two years and a new experimental title that is poor-selling, but still ongoing.

The Captain America title is a crutch? I suppose that explains why Captain America sales skyrocketed while Bucky was Captain America. That would also explain why sales dropped after he left. Finally, it would explain why Captain America sales didn't rise when Sam Wilson became Captain America. Oh wait, it doesn't explain those things at all. Probably because only an idiot would draw that conclusion based on that evidence.

Perhaps you should at least wait for Ant-Man to reach more than two-years in print, and 19 issues before you start trying to claim any kind of victory over Bucky. Better yet, you should probably first focus on outlasting the experimental title Bucky Barnes: Winter Soldier, which is on a higher issue count and still ongoing. At least then you might have some kind of substantive argument instead of the wild, desperate and laughable claims you're continuing to make.

Just a thought.
BuckyCap
BuckyCap - 5/5/2015, 2:41 PM
You're counting those chickens...



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