4 hypocritical and innacurate things that Marvel fans say about DC

I break down 4 inaccurate and hypocritical myths perpetuated by Marvel fans

Editorial Opinion
By tonytony - Feb 13, 2015 07:02 PM EST
Filed Under: DC Comics

What i will be doing is breaking down and highlighting 4 inaccuracies perpetuated and promoted by marvel fans to simply attack DC



1. Marvel movies are accurate to the comic book.

when trying to throw dirt at DC the marvel fanboy routinely say that their movies are really accurate to the comic books, attacking the nolan batman movies for really tiny details like batman not being "detective enough" even though he sussed scarecrows plans and figured out Jokers ploys in the tdk. On the flip side I can say definitively that marvel is not accurate to the comic book. in fact they make huge changes to the characters conveniently overlooked by the same people who make the attacks on DC. I list some examples below.

whiplash in iron man2 was actually the crimson dynamo, but it was changed in comics to match movie  this is akin to someone merging two face and the riddler for batman, it is a HUGE change overlooked by disney fanboys

Iron man 3 

 this man is not the mandarin, and neither is trevor slattery, im not even going to ask where the mandarins rings went. 


Lastly on this Point in the comic books Ant man created ultron, this is a huge part of his story arc in the comicbooks but in avengers 2 im pretty sure that ant man does not create ultron. how much do you want to bet that it will be shifted to make tony stark the centre of attention again?

Also what ever happened to thor and Donald Blake? what? you dont know who donald blake is? call yourself a fan? google him.

And that alfred ripoff called Jarvis that worked for iron man, where is he? it almost seems like he is a computer now.

Lets put this to bed, marvel cinematic Universe is not accurate to the comic books, never has been and i dont see that being the case anytime soon.



2.DC has overpowered characters

My Moneys on the Hulk


Honestly does anyone out there genuinely believe that Wonder woman is more powerful than say the hulk?
what about Thor? No?
Iron man then? No?
Then does anyone out there think Aqua man is more powerful than the hulk? No? what about thor? No?  
Fine! then does anyone out there think batman is more powerful than the hulk? No, what about thor?

Infact the only real "God" in the dccu is SUperman but that is about it. The villains they face are also on a similar level, superman usually has to deal with planet killing terrors and in some cases loses and has been killed before for example. WHile batman deals with a lot of street crimes and conspiracies.

saying DC characters are overpowered is wrong and this is an over used mantra by marvel fans to attack DC.


3.Marvel is the first shared comic book universe

breaking ground by being the first of its genre in cinema


remember the old superman movies with christopher reeve? well supergirl was set in the same universe, marvel did not create shared movie universes and were not even the first to do so for comic book movies. 
as a general note there was aliens, Predator, ALiens v predator before the MCU even kicked off.

Also the Justice society of americe (or what you know as justice league today) was the first to do so in comic books too.



4. DC are rushing

Im sure there is an alternate universe where the dccu is rushed but in mine im still waiting for more than one movie every 4 years

Seriously that is my reaction everytime someone says that, the wait for the movies is literally killing me. I would go as far as saying it is the exact opposite and they have truly taken their time and i think this is better as we are going to be getting products and stories that are more developed.  Nolan batman movies always had between 3 and 4 years Between them. and they have also taken their time with the follow up from Man of steel. They are not rushing at all.

AN example of a rushed movie is Marvel ant man with no director and script changed yet apparently completed barely 3 months later, that is rushed.


anyways these are the 4 things i wanted go get out there.  Let me know your thoughts below.

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WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 2/13/2015, 9:28 PM
And sorry but.....Wonder Woman could crack the Moon. Hulks baseline strength could barely hold up a mountain.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 2/13/2015, 9:36 PM
"Marvel movies are accurate to the comic book."

I agree with this. Sometimes change works, sometimes it doesn't.
kinghulk
kinghulk - 2/14/2015, 3:54 AM
sorry but i think DC characters are stronger than marvels, and wonder woman could easily beat iron man but maybe not hulk and definitely not thor. and regarding batman he is arguably the post powerful CBM character because no matter who he fights he wins, if he can beat superman he can beat hulk.

regarding the mandarin you are correct neither trevor nor killian is the mandarin didnt you watch all hail the king ;). anyway no the MCU is not accurate to the comics and it shouldent be because it isant the comics and neither should the DC universe. by the way ivan vanko is whiplash who is anton vanko's (the original crimson dynamo's) son. and it's not really comparable to combing 2 well known batman villians, heck the riddler and 2 face make iron man's rogues look like shit IMO.

i didnt realise alien and predator where comic book characters.
Lozzy
Lozzy - 2/14/2015, 4:32 AM
generalizing much?
neihofft
neihofft - 2/14/2015, 5:12 AM
You're a very ill informed DC fan if you think what you actually wrote here....
CavalierTunes
CavalierTunes - 2/14/2015, 5:15 AM
I think by "rushing it," people mean that DC is rushing having their characters cross over. There has only been one movie in the DCCU so far, and in move number 2, you're introducing Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg (and probably others too). Not minor characters, but characters who could (and may actually) carry their own films. Marvel introduced their big guns in their own films before having them cross-over, DC is introducing them all at once in the same film. I think THAT'S what people mean by "rushing it." I'm not saying it's a good idea or a bad one (personally I think it's too risky, but maybe the script is really solid, and accomplishes it well), but it's undoubtedly "rushed" by comparison to Marvel's formula.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 2/14/2015, 5:24 AM
I gotta say, I like DC, Marvel, Dark Horse, everything but Marvel Studios/Disney is dominating right now....

As far as the shared universe, Supergirl is the best you could come up with because it really hasn't been done before.

Marvel is 10 movies in, 10 movies. No other studio has done that or has that many movies in a cohesive universe, where all the same actors and characters return. Also, the universe is ever-growing, with the upcoming slate and now even adding Spider-Man too.

The MCU is definitely the first of it's kind.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 2/14/2015, 5:28 AM
Also, say what you want, but one thing Marvel does do is keep the personalities and the essence of the characters, but they change the story. I think it's cool they change the story because it makes it interesting and you can speculate what will come next.

But, personality wise

Cap is still Cap
Stark is Stark
Banner is Banner
Quill is Quill
etc, etc, the list can go on....

This is way people want Peter Parker back home, because they know Marvel will stay true to the essence of the character
Slader
Slader - 2/14/2015, 5:41 AM
^^Stark RDjr has totally different personality from that of the comics, you don't know what you're talking about.
Pedrito
Pedrito - 2/14/2015, 5:43 AM
*facepalm*

DC is still great, in its own merits. The MCU being awesome doesn't take away from what DC is.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 2/14/2015, 5:43 AM
@Thebest201

Explain how his personality is different.

Not, alcoholism, etc....
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 2/14/2015, 6:23 AM
Lol. Idiot...
Carl
Carl - 2/14/2015, 6:36 AM
Image result for never go full retard
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 2/14/2015, 8:20 AM
Never heard the too powerful comment from fans.

One thing DC fans say about the DCCU is it's tone is more mature, it's one film so far. Iron Man's tone was mature but got light hearted, same can happen to DCCU.

Disney is the king of shared universe's.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 2/14/2015, 8:46 AM
There is one big thing that Marvel fan's don't understand: The reason there is 10 films in the marvel cinematic universe, the reason why they probably have plans til 2035, the reason they can release 3 films a year: Marvel is now a studio. If they didn't have movies produced every year, they would stop being a business. With WB, they directly control DC, and produce many films a year. That is something that they need to realize. Marvel will always have more movies, but that is simply because they have to in order to survive.
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 2/14/2015, 8:51 AM
@JohnCarter great point, they are quick to bash The Dark World and Iron Man 3 but forget about Green Lantern. Even I forget that film, it was initially supposed to kick off the DCCU correct?
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 2/14/2015, 8:53 AM
@WyleeJay Hulk would smash WW easy. Lol, he is way more powerful than WW.
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 2/14/2015, 8:56 AM
@DrKinSolving I have to disagree that the MCU Quill is the same as the comic Quill, personality wise. The MCU Star-Lord is more Han Solo, while the comic Star-Lord is much more serious and bad ass than the MCU version.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 2/14/2015, 8:58 AM
@JohnCarter

Hmmm, why would WB not stay out of DCs way? Maybe because there is no "DC Comics Studios"...
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 2/14/2015, 9:09 AM
@MileHighRonin

Agree to disagree then, I think they totally got Quill's personality in GOTG, and he was definitely bad ass, imo.... and he had serious moments too

But, yeah, the comic versions will always be more bad ass and you can be way more extreme in the comics than in film, because it's a different medium
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 2/14/2015, 9:15 AM
@dannramm113

I see where your coming from there, but I think if DC chose to, they could pressure DC/WB into releasing more movies....
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 2/14/2015, 9:19 AM
And yeah, the Box Office too....

If Green Lantern was successful, we would be looking at a totally different DCCU
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 2/14/2015, 9:29 AM
@MileHighRonin. If Hulk was pissed yeah. Baseline he's between 80 to 100 tons depending on his mood or color. Plus so many versions of the character. At his worst, in World War Hulk they said his footsteps caused Earthquakes. Wonder Woman has always pretty much been off the charts from what fans say. DC said she could crack the Moon with a punch. I'm not a Wonder Woman fan really. I love the Hulk. But I guess it would be up to the writer.
MileHighRonin
MileHighRonin - 2/14/2015, 9:41 AM
@DrKinSolving I agree he had his serious moments, and they laid the ground work for him evolving into the great leader he becomes. He was no slouch in the film, no one was really. I at first was upset with the lopsided fight between Drax and Ronan. My wife reminded me Drax was intoxicated, we have no idea what effects it had on him.

@WyLeeJay That is why we need a DC vs Marvel video game. Hulk vs Superman, Wolverine vs Lobo, Batman vs Captain America, Wonder Woman vs Captain Marvel, etc.
sikwon
sikwon - 2/14/2015, 9:46 AM
@lexhairfight... well said. I'm not a DC fan that doesn't stop me from being in line to see GL for its Thursday premier (pretty dissapointing) or MoS or any Batman movie. It won't stop me from seeing BvS as soon as humanly possible. It didn't keep me from watching the Watchmen. I love CBM's.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 2/14/2015, 9:57 AM
@MileHighRonin

True, haha, that's right, Drax was tipsy.... That's the only thing that I think could have been better in GOTG.... Ronan. I love what they did w/ Drax though, and they hinted at the end "It's really Thanos I need to kill".... I thought it was a perfect first entry to the Cosmic MCU, can't wait to see more Thanos, Inhumans, Atillan, etc....
sikwon
sikwon - 2/14/2015, 10:04 AM
There is a thing that people miss in regards to MCU vs DCCU and that is the difference between content and tone. The DC tone is undeniably darker but here's the thing, the Marvel content is very very adult oriented. It's the tone that throws people off. MoS and The DK trilogy are called gritty and the color is removed. Superman isn't in bright blue and bright red costume. It's all muted. Flip over to Marvel and there's Tony in his hot rod red and Thor in his bright red cap. Loki is in his emerald green. By no means are the.movies really dark in tone, even Winter Soldier takes place mostly in the day ware it's clear and bright. But then you look at the content, what is going on with the characters and the themes of the movies. There is ethnic cleansing in Iron Man, gang rape in the Incredible Hulk, multiple torture scenes on AoS. And the over all them and plots of terrorism and an empirical government in Cap 2. There are very adult themes and adult content wrapped in pretty colors. Marvel is extremely good at this. Rewatch Iron man, Tony is setting dudes on fire. I mean keep track of his body count, he straight up murders dudes. The re is so much that is going on that just gets overlooked because the tone of the MCU isn't dark and gritty. Look at some of the things they are able to get away with simply because it slips past people that that just happened. It's brilliant and a very big key to their success. It's alot like a Pixar movie, you take your kids but find yourself laughing because there are adult jokes cleverly tucked away in there. Marvel does the exact same thing. DC can make great movies but in terms of money making, and keep in mind just how important that really is, if kids are scared in the theater they aren't going to make their parents take them 10.times to see it. As good as MoS was (I liked it, faults and all) there's no denying that it was a joyless movie and that it wasn't a fun movie to watch. At the end of the day we want to watch fun super hero movies and kids (the real money behind a movies huge success) want to watch fun movies. Otherwise we get Super Hero versions of American Sniper and Lone Survivor, great movies, adult movies, but they aren't making the kind of money they need to make to support the expense of a super hero movie. Amazing Spiderman 2 made over 700 million and that wasn't enough profit, don't believe me just look at the plans for Spidey going forward... DC is in that same area. The excitement of seeing Bats, Supes and the JL will make money but to be sustainable they have to balance the elements of the story and characters. They need to add just a little bit of fun.
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 2/14/2015, 10:16 AM
@sikwon. Those are some excellent observations!
WYLEEJAY
WYLEEJAY - 2/14/2015, 11:47 AM
I could do this all day. I'm off work. Plus me and the wife did valentine's day the other night. So.......TROLL ON!
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