The Truth About Casting Part 2: The Essence of the Character

The Truth About Casting Part 2: The Essence of the Character

I understand that 99% of people do not agree with me, and I think I understand why. But I do feel obligated to write this article in response to some of the arguments that were presented.

Editorial Opinion
By Utopian8418 - Aug 24, 2015 10:08 PM EST
Filed Under: DC Comics

Hello guys, its BruceWillis again. I had never written an editorial before last Friday, and I would have never expected such a negative response to my last one. God, some guy even wrote a whole (really well written) article against it. I consider myself a rational man, I am not a fanboy, I enjoy most movies (both DC and Marvel), and I am really looking forward to the DCEU. I don’t think its cast will suck or anything, I just don’t think it is irrelevant who you cast “as long as the personality is still there.” I just don’t want Momoa and Eisenberg play a whiny teenager and a savage warmonger, respectively.  Err.. I mean, the other way round (that image was hilarious though). NOTE THAT I AM KIDDING HERE. It is cool that Aquaman will be a badass and that Luthor will be umm.. intelligent? But, again, as people don’t seem to understand, my article was about the looks, specifically.
 
Well, I’m just going to go to the point here, which is debunking some of the arguments that were made.
 
The Director’s Vision
Many have argued that making Lex Luthor accurate would be chaining the director and impeding him of being creative. Tell me your favourite cbms and ask yourselves if they changed the character’s look in significant ways. Again, I do not want some director’s version of the characters, I just want the official version that we all know.


 

I understand that the look is not always translatable to live action
But Barry Allen’s face is kind of f*cking translatable to live action! It shouldn’t be too hard! Actually, there was an entire (apparently unnoticed) subtitle in my first article about this. Where i specifically say i understand this.


“Wait and see”
MANY people argued that “I shouldn’t judge” and that “they’ll be great” but.. god, is it really THAT hard to understand that my article was about the looks?? I do not care if Leonardo Dicaprio can pull off a good Mole Man, he just doesn’t look the part! The debate should be about why looks matter or don’t matter. Moreover, I am 99% sure we all already know how Eisenberg and Momoa are going to play their respective parts.
 


I hate being the pessimistic guy
I hate people who nitpick or who trash whole movies based on single mistakes, I just try to be objective and say things as they are. I understand that most people will just trash this article again and disagree. This probably means that I am wrong but I just can’t see why so I am going to continue writing.
 


The Essence of the character
This is the single argument that actually didn’t sound irrational to me. Every character has an essence, and in the end that essence is the only thing that needs to be kept. Its true, characters constantly change in the comics, there are alternate realities and alternate timelines and there are always some key concepts that can never be missing. It is fun to see other versions of them and other takes.
However, for the most iconic characters, there is always an “official” version, the version millions of kids grew up with. These versions of the characters are the ones that I’ve dreamt of seeing in real life. They have an “assigned” face, an “assigned” body size and an “assigned” costume. I just feel like if this is changed, it is just not the character that I grew up with, the man/woman that I grew up with, it is a different man/woman, a stranger.



I want to dare anyone who disagrees to say you would be ok with seeing a blond superman.
 

Why I think most of you disagree
First of all, it is obviously connected with how much you are attached with the character. I didn’t care about Quicksilver in DOFP as much I do about Flash. I am probably a bit obsessive about this characters haha I know. Secondly, you just like this “other versions” of the characters. I feel like Snyder just said “it would be cool to see a Jesse Eisenberg in The Social Network kind of Lex Luthor” and just went for it. (I admit he may be a cool villain, I just feel he wouldn’t be the Luthor from the comics, who is more of a Walter White type). So, Eisenberg will make a cool villain, Momoa will make a cool underwater Dothraki and Miller will probably make a cool character too. And finally, I think everybody just wants the DCEU to succeed, myself included. I think that Snyder will make it visually outstanding, we all like the characters and hope they do great. I just think it could have been better, but lets agree to disagree.




Well, thats all i have to say, I hope i was clear and I promise I wont be making any more articles on the subject.
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TomSolo
TomSolo - 8/25/2015, 2:49 AM
Nice follow-up. I actually like this better than the first. I agree to some extent, but I feel there is an important point to make. Marvel seems to be going with more accurate looks more than DC. My guess is that they own the properties anf have more invested. They only make comic book movies. DC has to deal with WB. And thatis one more and in the cookie jar when creating a cinematic look on film. There are exceptions, of course, but it seems that to be the case. For whatever the reasons are, it is what it is. I like them both, but those who love the DC comic characters' looks, you just aren't always going to get them.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/25/2015, 3:49 AM
Hey man, you really could have just wrote a comment to me....

I never mentioned you in my article, I wrote an EDITORIAL, and I think you totally misunderstood me.

If anyone is interested, here's my article

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/comics/news/?a=124356
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/25/2015, 3:53 AM
Also, nobody is wrong for their opinion

You can think what ever you want, your not wrong. I even said, "in my opinion" in my article and related to why people would disagree in the comments.

To each his own
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/25/2015, 4:10 AM
And, if your gonna try to quote me in your articles

You could have at least added a link to my article, in your article, Haha



SimplyAz
SimplyAz - 8/25/2015, 5:23 AM
At the end of the day, everyone has their own opinion, neither is wrong and neither is right, it's down to personal preference.

I have to say that I have enjoyed both articles from @BruceWillis and @DrKinsolving
Castiglione
Castiglione - 8/25/2015, 5:38 AM
@SimplyAz

Personally, I don't think it's cool that he added Kinsolving in his article like this though, Kinsolving's points were way more thought out than what he posted
Castiglione
Castiglione - 8/25/2015, 5:40 AM
And, @DrKinsolving didn't even mention him in his article
SimplyAz
SimplyAz - 8/25/2015, 5:51 AM
@DrHankPym

True not cool at all but good of @DrKinsolving to take it in good humour though.

I was talking more about it being okay to have different opinions.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/25/2015, 5:55 AM
@DrHankPym

Thanks man :)

Utopian8418
Utopian8418 - 8/25/2015, 6:26 AM
@DrHankPym @DrKinsolving Im sorry man, i read your comment about your editorial not being specifically against me after writing the article. I've just edited yo out of the article. I just assumed that most people reading this would have read yours before, and I just wanted to do point by point arguments. I just fell the need to write an article instead of a comment because i had more than 50 comments (and an article) against me.
Utopian8418
Utopian8418 - 8/25/2015, 6:33 AM
@Doopie Of course! I really enjoy most cbms. I cant totally get past the looks. The difference though is that at least you've already had "correct" interpretations of Batman, i never saw a "correct" Aquaman.
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/25/2015, 7:06 AM
@BruceWillis

Utopian8418
Utopian8418 - 8/25/2015, 7:29 AM
@DrKinsolving Haha man you are great for taking it with humor. I didnt do it with bad intentions, just to argue.

@Doopie Yes man i really hope so. Even though i really love Snyder's visual style and think he will do great, my ideal versions would be set in the 60s, some kind of adaptation of the New Frontier animated movie or the JL animated series
PapaLazarou
PapaLazarou - 8/25/2015, 3:41 PM
I see where Snyder was going casting Eisenberg and Momoa, and I think it's stupid tbh. Which isn't to say they won't do good. They'll be fine in their version of the characters but will those versions be better? I feel that in trying to break the stereotype of the characters, Snyder really only stereotyped the actors into roles they're known for. Also, I absolutely [frick]ing hated Giamatti as Rhino. [frick] that noise! Why cast Jamie Foxx in a role that virtually any actor could play?? Amazing examples of left-field choices that didn't work.
beto
beto - 8/25/2015, 3:47 PM
@BruceWillis @DrKinsolving

Come on guys!!!! When I saw the title for this article I thought I was going to see this:



then I came here and see this?! I was half-expecting a third dude to come out any time with a "Why CBM castings may or may not suck" article.

You guys turned this



into this:



You should be ashamed of yourseves!!! Think about it, What would @McGee say?!?!


DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/25/2015, 4:14 PM
@beto

Nah, @BruceWillis is cool, we just have different opinions on this, I'm sure we'll find some common ground. Hoping to see more EDITORIALS from him in the future





Utopian8418
Utopian8418 - 8/25/2015, 7:27 PM
@beto

Well, when I arrived home yesterday and saw @DrKinsolving 's article I was like



But then I read his article and saw it was not aggressive at all and he took everything with humor so yeah, he is great.

DrKinsolving, first, i find that SLJ gif really disturbing. Second, and I feel dumb for this, i do not understand why you k
Utopian8418
Utopian8418 - 8/25/2015, 7:30 PM
why you keep writing EDITORIAL in caps*
DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/25/2015, 8:02 PM
@BruceWillis

Haha, It's just a way of categorizing the article and making it stand out as an editorial, instead of news
EhMaybeSays
EhMaybeSays - 8/27/2015, 7:40 AM
@BruceWillis
I was going to ask the same thing lol
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