X-MEN Editor Denies Cyclops, Wolverine, And Jean Grey Were A Throuple...But The Evidence Says Otherwise

X-MEN Editor Denies Cyclops, Wolverine, And Jean Grey Were A Throuple...But The Evidence Says Otherwise

X-Men Editor Tom Brevoort has denied that Cyclops, Wolverine, and Jean Grey were ever "officially" a throuple during the Krakoan Era, but what we saw on the page seems to suggest otherwise. Check it out...

By JoshWilding - May 21, 2024 08:05 AM EST
Filed Under: Marvel Comics
Source: Tom Brevoort

When Secret Wars writer Jonathan Hickman relaunched the X-Men line of comic books by sending the heroes to Krakoa and making them immortal, there was one subtle change which generated a lot of discussion. 

After decades of the trio being embroiled in a love triangle, it was strongly hinted that Wolverine, Cyclops, and Jean Grey's new life on the island nation had resulted in them taking their relationship down a very...modern...route.

Yes, the insinuation was that they were a "throuple," with Scott and Logan presumably sharing Jean (or vice versa). 

The biggest hint in that respect came when the floorplan of the "Summer House" confirmed that their bedrooms were linked, with Jean's in the middle (something unique to their rooms only). 

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We're sure you don't need us to join the dots there, but Tom Brevoort, Executive Vice President and new X-Men Group Editor at Marvel Comics, has denied Jean ever being in an open relationship with Wolverine and Cyclops.

Here's the post from his Substack account:

What are [your] thoughts on the Krakoan era changing up the dynamics of the Scott-Jean-Logan relationship to having Jean openly be in a romantic relationship with both men? Is this something you intend to carry on in From The Ashes or something to be left behind

A couple of people have asked me about this, wizkid, and so let me turn this back around on you. Because I don’t think there was ever much of anything that was on the page in any of the Krakoa stories that said anything of the kind. Jonathan was perhaps cheeky in an interview or two, as is his way, but if it’s not on the page, it’s not on the stage, and I don’t recall there being a lot of on-page action that would need to be addressed.

While it was never explicitly stated, moments like this certainly seem to suggest it very much was on the page...

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Marvel Comics is now moving on from the Krakoan Era to "From the Ashes," a new wave of X-Men storytelling which will bring the team more in line with how they've typically been portrayed (one group is clearly heavily inspired by the X-Men '97 animated TV series). 

We don't anticipate the "throuple" concept being revisited in any way, especially with the Phoenix heading into outer space as a cosmic superhero. Plus, Brevoort's comments suggest the change to the relationship between these characters was never 100% official.

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CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 5/21/2024, 8:38 AM
They weren’t a ‘throuple’. They had an open marriage. Jean would sleep with Logan. Scott would sleep with Emma Frost. They basically said that minus the names in the marketing for the Krakoan Age:

“He's the best there is at what he does. She's married with a kid. The husband knows exactly what's going on, but who is he to point the finger? He's up to much the same, and more. Maybe this is just the new normal on the mutant island.”
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/21/2024, 8:38 AM
You know people online have issues their sexuality when they willfully trouble themselves with that of fictional characters.
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 5/21/2024, 8:41 AM
@DrReedRichards - I do agree if people make it their personality. But honestly, (and I can’t believe I’m saying this on a Wilding article), articles like this I feel are justified when companies keep dangling queer relationships (or even just adult situations) in fans faces and then when it’s over they scurry to deny it was ever the case and that the fans were making it up. That’s just gaslighting and shouldn’t be done in any sense
NubaX
NubaX - 5/21/2024, 8:46 AM
@DrReedRichards - 💯 EXACTLY!

This isnt neccessary at all! It adds NOTHING but promotion of immorality. Allllllll these women on Marvel that Wolverine can get with, they can't even give him a regular girl that's just FINE, and you want to over saturate this Jean Grey thing??? Even in X-Men 97 he turned her down and said she belongs with Cyclops. If Wolverine is over it then...

LET IT GO!!!
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/21/2024, 8:50 AM
@CerealKiller1 -

I agree with you that it's hypocritical of the creators to deny going out of the norm, especially when it comes to characters like the X-Men who have always been sexually more expressive. That said, I think stories that present different sexual norms are necessary if we are to reject pre-established labels, so when cases like this are pointed out they should be admitted and embraced, not denied or retconned.

Jean has it both ways with Scott and Logan. Scott himself also, as you mentioned ion your previous commetn, has had it both ways with Jean and Emma. Big whoop. So what?

That's the attitude that I feel like is missing from editors. Embrace the change. Don't just tease it and then deny it, know what I mean?
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/21/2024, 8:52 AM
@NubaX -

Speaking of X'97, it still doesn't sit well with me how Jean threw a tantrum at Scott for bonding psychicly with Madelyn, right after Jean herself hit on Logan and he rejected her.

It came across as hypocritica of her.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/21/2024, 9:48 AM
@DrReedRichards - niche sexual relationships are by definition not "norms."
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/21/2024, 9:53 AM
@Ryguy88 -

Norms are defined by heir environment, and in a closed one such as Hickman's Krakoa, it clearly seems to be as close to a "norm" as definitively possible.

Unless you are referring to the general sum of that series' audience of readers, whose perception of such sexual tendencies are challenged, thus me emphasizing later in my comment the need to "embrace the change".
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 5/21/2024, 9:55 AM
@DrReedRichards - 100%, think we’re on the same page here. I guess because the Krakoan Age is ending and the status quo is going back to normal, they’re trying to brush it under the rug. It’s a shame. I didn’t love everything with Krakoa, but man did they take some big swings and actually try’s me do something a bit different (for awhile at least)
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/21/2024, 10:24 AM
@DrReedRichards - why is there a need to embrace the change? Why does something that is not normal need to be normalized? Why do we need to reject things that are considered normal?

And none of this is to say that these kinds of relationships cant or shouldnt exist.
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 5/21/2024, 10:29 AM
@Ryguy88 - I think your issue is that you’re combining embracing one thing and also rejecting another. One does not have to bring the other

If a change is just who some people decide to love, it shouldn’t really affect people on the other side. And it also does not mean that people need to reject what’s considered ‘Normal’.

The two can work besides each other, they don’t negate each other
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/21/2024, 10:30 AM
@Ryguy88 -

Did I anywhere in my comment say that embracing change means to reject traditional roles?
supermanrex
supermanrex - 5/21/2024, 10:33 AM
@NubaX - he gets regular girls but they keep killing them off so he stays grumpy pissy wolverine forever. same as spiderman they have to have him be a bachelor as status quo forever with an on and off again MJ relationship so as to keep her character relevant.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/21/2024, 2:54 PM
@CerealKiller1 - that's fine if people want to love who they want, but if you try to raise kids in that setting, a relationship without commitment or accountability, there is a whole other debate to have.

The real question that is relevant to this particular article is how does this progress the story and characters in interesting ways, or us it just an excuse for the writer to get this topic in there?
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/21/2024, 2:55 PM
@DrReedRichards - "I think stories that present different sexual norms are necessary if we are to reject pre-established labels"

Did I misinterpret this?
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/21/2024, 3:02 PM
@Ryguy88 -

You did.

Rejecting the label of abnormal doesn't mean rejecting the previously established normal, at least not in its entirety.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/21/2024, 3:03 PM
@CerealKiller1 - I can't believe they've been coding Xavier and Magneto for decades and we still haven't got confirmation in anything. Not even in Bryan Singer's X-Men or X-Men '97. They ALMOST did it in that last episode but still nah, they're just really good "friends" who romantically love each other.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/21/2024, 3:58 PM
@DrReedRichards - ok, I see what you're saying now, you were speaking to rejecting the labels of abnormal relationships, not rejecting the labels of normal ones.

But still, you seem to take issue with extremely uncommon relationships being labelled based on what they are, abnormal.

And I'm still curious about why is there a need to embrace the change? Why does something that is not normal need to be normalized?
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/21/2024, 3:59 PM
@ObserverIO - and why cant they just be good friends, exactly?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/21/2024, 4:01 PM
@Ryguy88 - Because they've been coding them as gay for so long that it's key to their whole relationship.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/21/2024, 4:02 PM
@Ryguy88 - like, we're adults already, just make the subtext text. We won't explode.
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 5/21/2024, 4:11 PM
@ObserverIO - “like, we're adults already, just make the subtext text. We won't explode.”

Being on this site (and the internet in general) long enough, I would say plenty of people, even so called ‘adults’, would unfortunately figuratively explode
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/21/2024, 4:13 PM
@Ryguy88 -

Mainly because it was never abnormal by nature and only labeled as such by whatever ruling third-party exterior factors.

Homosexuality did always exist as part of human nature. It wasn't before organized societal labels that it was labeled as degeneracy, despite being a natural part of human relations since the dawn of time.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/21/2024, 4:13 PM
@ObserverIO - lol 2 guys can be friends and have respect for eachother without being gay.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/21/2024, 4:13 PM
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ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/21/2024, 4:14 PM
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CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 5/21/2024, 4:16 PM
@Ryguy88 - Then to answer the real question, I would say it was very interesting to see how the various character relationships had changed and progressed on the basis of Krakoa being established and Charles dream being closer to realised than we’d ever seen before. Mutants had become a unified people and many characters had let go of the baggage and hate they had held onto towards others for so long. Seeing Wolverine actually actively be a father in his childrens lives, Magneto being the leader he was always destined to be, Apocalypse being one of the wisest and loyal peers you could ask for….this editors comments have made the ‘open relationship’ issue seem redundant in hindsight, but during the actual comics run, it was very interesting

But that’s just my personal opinion
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/21/2024, 4:17 PM
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Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/21/2024, 4:17 PM
@DrReedRichards - Abnormal; Not typical, usual, or regular.

That would absolutely describe a "truple." Perhaps your issue is with language.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/21/2024, 4:19 PM
@Ryguy88 -

Not typical, perhaps by today's standards. Not regular opens a whole other can of worms, since it comes across as a more diplomatic way to say wrong at best or inferior at worst.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/21/2024, 4:22 PM
@DrReedRichards - lol it just means it doesnt happen very often. Do the other members of your truple care about these definitions this much?
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/21/2024, 4:28 PM
@CerealKiller1 - I'd argue that the plot point doesnt really fit Logan. He always seemed like he deeply loved Jean and wanted to take care of her, not just bang her and let Cyclops have her the rest of the time.
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 5/21/2024, 4:40 PM
@Ryguy88 - It doesn’t fit the Logan that existed before Krakoa. But that’s the point I’m making. The very existence of Krakoa and the progress of the mutant race led to Logan’s priorities being different. He didn’t lust after Jean anymore because he had a family again. He was somewhat at peace and actually happy. So I’m the context of the story, it absolutely fits Logan
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/21/2024, 5:08 PM
@Ryguy88 -

My truple?
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/21/2024, 7:53 PM
@DrReedRichards - you seem to be quite invested in other peoples perceptions of truples...care to share?
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/21/2024, 7:55 PM
@CerealKiller1 - did he lust after her or truly love her though?
CerealKiller1
CerealKiller1 - 5/21/2024, 8:37 PM
@Ryguy88 - I feel like at this point you’re just picking what you want to discuss and ignoring the wider points. But in answer to your question, he lusted after her. She was the one person he couldn’t have, no matter how hard he tried. Then over the years, that lust turned to love, although honestly a lot of times it’s more of a caring, almost brother/father figure. Again though, whether he loved her or not doesn’t change any of my points. You can still be hopelessly in love with somebody because you think you have nothing else going for you. And actually going out and attaining a life so to speak could easily overshadow that feeling, especially when you have others to channel your love and feelings into
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 5/22/2024, 6:21 AM
@Ryguy88 -

You seem to be not only deliberately misinterpreting my words (again, as you're used to when cornered), but now also projecting your own concerns with fictional characters' love lifes onto others.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/22/2024, 5:33 PM
@CerealKiller1 - I'm not picking and choosing, just trying to keep this focused. And I guess it comes down to opinion at this point. I think this plot point does a disservice to the characters, and it appears the current editor does too.
Ryguy88
Ryguy88 - 5/22/2024, 5:34 PM
@DrReedRichards - just wondering why you're defending it so much.
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