Top 10 Superhero Movie Moments

Top 10 Superhero Movie Moments

A look at some of the best superhero moments from superhero movies, beware of SPOILERS(!) for Blade II, Superman: The Movie, and many others.

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By thejon93rd - Oct 30, 2014 01:10 AM EST
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Overall, superhero films aren't that realistic, yet the term "grounded" and "realistic" gets thrown around A LOT like it actually means something, which it doesn't (case in point, pretty much all of what's been said about this new Fantastic Four reboot so far). The new Amazing Spider-Man movies are a classic example of why superhero films shouldn't be taken seriously (especially when the comics themselves were so colourful and vibrant), I did enjoy those movies quite a bit, but my joy comes from a pure action-based perspective, seeing Spider-Man save people is thrilling, but tedious scenes involving Peter awkwardly revealing his powers to everyone and unmemorable villains make the Spider-Man films a chore to sit through. Flashback to Spider-Man 2, the first instalment was great, even though the villain was lame and the action scenes were cornball, but this sequel stepped it up on so many levels by making the focus of the story Peter Parker and Otto Octavious. The dueling characters perfectly match one-another, both are very smart and genuinely human. Together, they make mistakes, they suffer for them, but, in the end, they both redeem themselves by accepting who they are and what they must do. Powerful messages like that are the reasons why these superhero films matter today, the action sequences mean very little if you could care less about the characters at the core, the stories being unravelled, and the sacrifices made in order to progress towards a (potentially) better tomorrow.

Without further ado, here are my Top 10 Superhero Movie Moments:
 
 
10) Blade II, "Can You Blush?"
There's lots going on in the final act of this excellent film, Nomak is given the chance to exact his revenge against his creator for making him a monster, Blade is being drained of all his blood in-order to form newer monsters, and Whistler rewards Blade's patience (in helping Whistler kick turning into a vampire throughout the course of the first-half of the film) by saving his life. But Blade is literally drained, only able to muster up the word "blood" to Whistler. Thankfully an evil fortress of vampires love blood too, so they fittingly have a waterfall of blood waiting for Blade to dive himself into. He does this, thanks to Whistler, and returns to the surface, completely rejuvenated and ready to make all you mother%$#@ers listen by kicking all kinds of ass to the films equally excellent soundtrack (the great track played during this sequence is provided by Crystal Method, and it's called "Name of the Game"). Throughout the course of the film, Blade has a rather uneasy relationship with Reinhardt, portrayed brilliantly by Ron Perlman, but he's always a step ahead of him as he's got the ability to plot his attack and the patience to know when to do so. He lets Reinhardt attempt to strike first, he fails, which gives Blade the chance to ask him the same question he asked earlier, "Can you blush?" just before slicing him in-half. In the first film, Blade coolly put his glasses back on before the final fight, this time, it's Whistler who tosses him the glasses and, after putting them on, lets Blade continue on his trek of being the ultimate comic-book movie badass with an equally badass final fight to boot. As much as I love the first, this instalment feels so much fresher as it's packed perfectly to the brim with equal doses of total fun and wicked suspense (the reapers in this are truly terrifying, most notably in the Club Hell scene, which I also considered for this spot, but this scene is much more satisfying for my money).
 
 
9) The Wolverine (Extended), "Mutation... God's Mistake!"
Why, oh why, was this film not R-rated upon its theatrical release? The obvious answer, being money, is absurd, there are tons of adults who are compelled by the Wolverine character and want to see him finally lash-out completely on the big-screen. Arguably, the closest we've come to that berserker rage is X2's mansion attack sequence, but lots of bloodless stabbing and screaming doesn't qualify, fans (and I) want to see Wolverine unleashed. Thankfully, James Mangold was given the chance to release his original cut of The Wolverine. It's a blood-soaked, deeply-layered character piece that adds much more depth to the original theatrical release (which felt rather middle-of-the-road because of its inability to "cut loose" of generic superhero tropes, mainly that irritating PG-13 "all ages" rating that studios must always insist on). We're given a bit more time with characters like Shingen, Mariko, Yashida and Yukio, but the action sequences are given much more tension because of the addition of blood and gore; most notably in the re-positioned scene where Wolverine cuts his stomach open, forcing his hand inside to fish out that pesky device latched onto his heart. The extended fight between Shingen and Yukio/Wolverine is truly suspenseful, there's not much blood in this scene, apart from the scene with Wolverine taking the device off his heart, but the expert cinematography and lighting make up for that fact quite well, it also helps that Shingen is a truly scary foe who's driven by nothing but hate, feeling betrayed by his own family and kin alike. He's a genuinely mean man who could care less about his own father and daughter, he just wants power, he wants to be above everyone else, he's also a sexist idiot (at one point, in his fight with Yukio, he jumps to the conclusion that Yukio must be sleeping with Logan, simply because she's protecting him). You genuinely hate Shingen, and when Logan finally proves that he cannot be stopped, he chooses not to kill him at first, stating that "You tried to kill your daughter... live with that", he turns his back on Shingen only to (of course) be attacked again which forces Logan to finally end Shingen's chaotic reign. Even though I hated Shingen, I liked his character a lot and he holds that rage that I wish we could see more of in Wolverine himself. Maybe one day we'll see that rage unleashed completely...



hopefully.
 
 
8) Batman: The Dark Knight Returns - Part 2, "No More! All the People I've Murdered By Letting You Live!"
Of all the excellent moments throughout this two-part epic to choose from, breaking it down to this and the Superman/Batman fight was the toughest decision I've had to make. Overall though, I found that this scene had more weight and an overall release that the other fight didn't feature because this was Batman's true enemy which he had to fight, the Ying to his Yang, The Joker. He pushes Batman to the absolute edge in this instalment, being much more terrifying and vile than he has been in his previous film/TV adaptations, this is a perfect, chilling portrait of the Clown Prince of Gotham. The Joker was voiced by Michael Emerson for these films, and he does a fine job, he's no Mark Hamill (because he obviously doesn't have the amount of screentime as Hamill did to ease into our imaginations, that chilling laugh of his still sticks with me and it's going to be hard to top when it comes to future actors), but he delivers a startling performance in a film that holds NOTHING back. Batman is voiced by Peter Weller here and he matches, if not surpasses, Kevin Conroy's consistently outstanding performance as Batman, he's spot-on here and he gives Batman that much needed grit that came with this very haunting source material from Frank Miller. If Quentin Tarantino was to ever direct a Batman film, I'd love for him to make an adaptation of this, his guest-directed scene in Sin City ironically ended up being my favourite scene, Dwight is driving a dead "PEZ-dispenser" (Johnny Boy) to the tar pits and he hallucinates that Johnny Boy is somehow talking to him. The scene is hilarious and haunting at the same time, fitting in beautifully with the tone of the rest of the film, and Batman: The Dark Knight Returns has a similar sequence where The Joker gets his neck "partially broken". I believe The Joker is already dead at this point, and Batman is simply imagining that he's still alive, telling him to finish the job in killing him, he re-directs Batman's own nervous thoughts towards him (telling him that the police will kill him for his death, even though The Joker had just killed several innocents with a pistol, it seemed necessary to finally put him down for good, but Batman's worried about the police and thinks that they'll want to kill him over The Joker being killed at his hands). It's a brilliant scene, but it's capped off by the horrifying image of The Joker gleefully smiling as he proceeds to snap his own neck, finishing the job, as he wanted Batman to do. This and the Superman/Batman fight are incredible scenes, but these two-parters are loaded to the brim with incredible action and character sequences alike, if you haven't seen it yet, do yourself a favour.
 
 
7) Man of Steel, "Krypton Had it's Chance!"
This was a difficult choice, I could have cheated and just said the whole climax/ending of this film was my favourite part, starting with the world engine bit and ending with Lois welcoming Clark "to the planet", but this scene has stuck with me for quite sometime. Seeing this film in glorious IMAX was an amazing experience, but what I wasn't expecting was to be so deeply engrossed in all of the characters, people can argue that Clark didn't have much to say in the film, but the way I view it was that it was intentional: showing audiences that even superheroes can make mistakes by listening to their elders, and that sometimes it's necessary to "take a leap of faith" in hope of a better tomorrow. Clark took that leap by surrendering himself to everyone, to the army, to Zod, to his whole planet, he made the sacrifice to never be able to see his own people again by destroying the possibility for them to make a return, but it's all thanks to Zod's idiocy. He pleads with Clark to "Stop! If you destroy this ship, you destroy Krypton!" but Clark then takes a quick moment to realize that his people are capable of nothing besides being moulded to do what society intended for them, his own father even admitted to simply being a product of his planet. It's a hard truth to swallow, but Clark only has seconds to do so, saving Lois and the others in the process, so that they can activate the device to send the other Kryptonians back to the Phantom Zone where they may be given a chance to lead new lives if they do survive. Henry Cavill does a great job with the few seconds he has to work with in this fast scene, showing his sense of urgency in preventing Zod from causing any more damage, but, at the same time, being too naive to think about the consequences (the ship blasts through several buildings on its fall back down to Metropolis, potentially killing thousands that were held up inside). I do love this film for the fact that it has the courage to show that Clark isn't perfect, he's flawed and makes mistakes, just like anyone with these unbelievable powers would, because in the midst of it all there would be chaos. The fact that he chooses right over wrong is what makes him genuinely human by the end, he chooses to kill Zod because there were no chains that could hold him, no prison that he wouldn't again escape from to continue to exact his revenge against Kal-El, there was no hope for Zod because he was a product of his planet just as Jor-El was (only he was brave and willing enough to admit it).



^ is easily my favourite line from this film, thanks to the sense of urgency, as well as Hans Zimmer's heroic, yet poignant score as soon as Superman comes swooping in to save the day.
 
 
6) Superman: The Movie, "Who Are You?"
Making his dramatic entrance, Clark dons the Superman costume in a spiral door, much to the delight of a very happy pimp, flying up to catch Lois and a falling helicopter along the way. I remember seeing a documentary about Superman, right before Superman Returns got released, on TV and it was about how real a "Superman" could potentially exist. This is one of the scenes they sort of "busted" because, when he swoops up and saves Lois in Superman: The Movie, catching her at that angle and speed would have probably killed her or at the very least critically injured her, a similar thing could be said about how he casually catches the helicopter from falling. Still, despite those real world problems, this is a comic-book movie through-and-through that never makes the mistake of taking itself too seriously, but Christopher Reeve's performance elevates the material and makes the seemingly invincible hero someone to cheer for rather than roll your eyes around constantly. His one-liners are smooth, bringing an air of fun to the film, but his line after Lois asks "Who are you?" is a genuine classic. He simply says that he's "A friend", the line is equally perfect and perfectly-delivered at the same time. The film is a classic, the world-spinning/time travel business is a bit hokey, but it allows the film to exist in its own universe, to have a Superman that can defy rules for the greater good of humanity. This and Superman II were originally intended to be one film, it would have worked well, but they work well enough alone, I just think this ending should have been saved for Superman II for a much more complete and engrossing experience. We can blame the studio for that one though, but this film still remains a classic despite all of the big-suited shenanigans going on behind-the-scenes.
 
 
5) X-Men: First Class, "Rage and Serenity"
Of all the excellent, first class scenes laced throughout this great film, this one stands out as having the biggest impact, pairing up the franchise's "old friends" in a scene that defines their ever-lasting respect for one-another in a crucial minute or two. Xavier tells Erik to mentally move a satellite that's facing away from them to make it face toward them instead, Magneto gives it his all but succumbs to his powers because of exhaustion, unable to find that perfect balance, Charles informs him that anger is a useful asset even though it's not enough. When that rage is coupled with serenity, it can be far more powerful than anything he could have ever imagined. With that said, Xavier asks Erik's permission to tap into his memories and recovers a memory that had seemingly been lost to him for quite some time, a peaceful moment between his mother and him, seemingly on his birthday. The memory is beautiful and simple enough, but it's a bit sad too that that's the only good thing Erik can remember, it's seemingly been so long since he's felt that connection with somebody like his mother, his mission of revenge has been his only driving force for years upon years and this one memory finally gives him something to hold dear and cherish for the rest of his life. This film was phenomenal all the way through, but this scene made me love it even more for the fact that it genuinely made me care for these characters on a personal level that I had never imagined before, the performances are great, Fassbender definitely should have been nominated for this film/role (especially when based around the impact of this scene in particular, along with the excellent Argentina bar sequence earlier).
 
 
4) The Dark Knight, "Do I Really Look Like a Guy with a Plan?"
It's hard to pick the best scene from a film as great as this, there's the incredible interrogation scene, the armoured car chase, the ending, but this hospital scene sets up the groundwork for the fall of who is arguably the most likeable character in the film, Harvey Dent. Watching him listen to The Joker, letting the madman's words slowly sink inside of him, is chilling to the bone. This was Gotham's "white knight" suddenly turned on his head into becoming something he never wanted to be, option-less, alone, damaged, defeated. His reign against Gotham's criminals was a success, but that very success propelled the mob into hiring the lunatic known as The Joker to take it to the extreme, take it to a level to which they couldn't control, a level that could go in any direction that the madman would see fit. The Joker says "Do I really look like a guy with a plan"? No, he doesn't, but behind it all, he does have a plan. When Two-Face points the gun at him, giving him a 50-50 chance to live as decided by a coin-flip, he seems disappointed when he says "You live", but when he says "You die" he seems genuinely joyous about it because he knows that that's the step Dent had to take in-order to complete his turn. If Joker was to die in that scene, Dent would have been revealed to be a murderous psychopath a lot quicker because the media wouldn't be focused on The Joker any more, they'd be focused on "Gotham's white knight" turned into a vengeful killer, potentially prompting the city to become just as bad as before Batman begun his crusade. The Joker knew he couldn't get Batman to "break [his] one rule", to kill someone, but he knew he could break Dent and in doing so, he also broke the Batman because he was forced to kill Harvey Dent by knocking him off the building in-order to save Gordon's son. All-in-all though, this hospital scene is just as perfect on its own as it is fitted in with the rest of the film, it's tragic and thought-provoking, as we begin to experience Dent's descent into madness.
 
 
3) Super, "Shut Up, Crime"
Quite possibly the best "superhero" film of this batch because of its unrelenting ability to connect with you on an emotional level, our main character, played to perfection by Rainn Wilson, is a bit of a psychopath. He dons his home-made mask and costume out of the desire to save his wife from the clutches of evil Kevin Bacon, but, in his "heroic deeds", he does some questionable things along the way: smashing a man and woman's face in over butting in line, assisted in beating the hell out of a guy who supposedly keyed his sidekicks' (Boltie, played by Ellen Page) friends car, among other things. However, in the end, we get this character's motivation all in one brilliant monologue when he's barking at a fallen Kevin Bacon that "You don't butt in line! You don't sell drugs! You don't molest little children! You don't profit on the misery of others! The rules were set a long time ago! They don't... change!", it simply one of the most mesmerizing moments I've ever seen in a film... period. It's tragic, poetic, beautiful, it's everything in one simple little paragraph that means the world to this man: that people know right from wrong, and they should do their best to subdue those urges. I love this film, but the ending is beyond that. In a mere 10-15 minutes, there are tons of great action beats, hilarious interactions (especially between Bacon and Michael Rooker), and literal mind-blowing twists that equally stun and satisfy the senses. The film is a violent comic-book brought to life in a way that makes the original Kick-Ass look absolutely pale in comparison, this film is gritty and disturbing, but it's also cathartic and absolutely hysterical more times than not. This is a film that genuinely deserves to be seen. James Gunn, thanks for Guardians of the Galaxy, but I'd thank you more for this any day, this is a true masterpiece in every sense of the word.
 
 
2) Unbreakable, "The Orange Man"
A classic case where showing, not telling, works beautifully at being poetic and cathartic. This is easily the best part of this incredible film, David Dunn (played superbly by Bruce Willis) takes his powers to the next level by donning a cape and cowl (of sorts), going to a public place, in this case a train station, to track down a criminal who deserves his attention. With a simple touch, he can see the crimes these citizens passing him have committed, from thievery to rape, he sees all of their sins, but he's looking for the ultimate sinner, and he finally catches his culprit when an orange man bumps into him to reveal that he has taken a family hostage in their own home. He follows the man to the house where it's revealed that he's killed the father, locked up the young daughters, and continues to humiliate the wife by having her tied to the heater, spitting beer at her while creepily standing over her, enforcing some sort of superiority this viciously evil man must feel in-order to sink to such despicable depths. David searches the home and tries to find the orange man, he releases the daughters, has more haunting visions of what the man had done previously, but he gets caught by surprise when the man pushes him off the balcony and into a covered swimming pool. With his weakness being water, he slowly sinks into the water, trapped by the cover that was used to keep the rain out, he cannot find a way out until the daughters that he previously saved help save him. His rise from the water, accompanied by the excellent score, is a visually-stunning moment, but the scene that takes the cake is when he finally gets his prey, stalking up behind him (just as was portrayed in a more menacing way before when the orange man is hidden by the curtains and knocks David over the balcony), he wraps his arms tightly around the intimidating man's neck and starts to choke him. Out of desperation, the orange man tries to bash David off, but his grip is too strong, even going as far as to toss David's back into the wall several times which causes no damage to the hero, but clearly would have hurt anyone else as the wall is dented by the force of the man's attack. Once again, the score in this particular moment is outstanding, you don't feel any sympathy for the orange man, so seeing David avenge this tormented family is deeply satisfying by the way he chokes the life out of him. In the end, he doesn't save everyone, but the daughters were sparred a horrifying fate, and another "nightmare", as David refers to it, is over thanks to his journey into heroism. This is by far my favourite M. Night Shyamalan film, as it's backed with a powerful score by James Newton Howard, riddled to the teeth with outstanding performances, and a script that keeps you guessing until the incredible climax (starting with the train station and ending with this orange man sequence). A masterpiece of a film in every sense of the word, and I really hope that more superhero films like this get the chance to see the light of day.
 
 
1) Spider-Man 2, "I Believe There's a Hero in All of Us"
A truly beautiful scene. With two tonally different franchises colliding, Raimi's Spider-Man and Webb's The Amazing Spider-Man series, it's tough to decide between one or the other. I used to find myself hating the new franchise, mostly out of my love for the originals (mostly the first and second, though I still enjoy the third for its action sequences), but I found that I only felt that way because they were so close to release as the original trilogy of films, the new films focus on Peter and make him a more fleshed out character. Raimi's Spider-Man did that too but on much more subtle ground when it came to this truly amazing sequel, the original was rather boring when it came to the action scenes, Peter just seemed like the typical "good guy" who could make few mistakes after his life-changing mistake with Uncle Ben and, after that happens, it felt like he was invincible as Spider-Man, so there never was any tension involved. With Spider-Man 2, Peter finally meets his equal, a gifted intellect and a kind man overall in Otto Octavious, he sees what his future could hold for him and Mary Jane with Otto and his wife. This seems to make Peter want to be more ambitious, he takes up Otto's advice and attempts to learn poetry, only to hilariously fumble when attempting to do so, and he believes that he can be there for her if only he wasn't Spider-Man. He gives up his powers in-turn for a (hopefully) better life, which cannot be given to him because there's that emptiness he gets whenever he hears sirens, sees wrongs being committed, because he knows he CAN make a difference but he's chosen to abandon that notion in the pursuit of happiness (similar to 2000's Unbreakable). In a sense though, Peter really did need this time, he's still conflicted by the death of Uncle Ben and eventually breaks in-order to tell Aunt May the truth about how he could have stopped Uncle Ben's killer before the murder even occurred, this, understandably, makes Aunt May unable to look at Peter for a while out of anger in knowing that he kept this from her for so long. Eventually, with her own much needed time, she forgives him in the films best scene, she's moving out of her lifelong home before they kick her out of it for being unable to pay for the bills. Despite being at the lowest of lows, she keeps her head up in the darkest of times and forgives Peter, then she tells Peter what he needs to hear, that sometimes we "have to be steady and give up the thing we want the most... even our dreams" to make ourselves feel whole again. I always thought it was a throw-away line when Peter asks "Hey, where are all my comic-books?", Aunt May reveals that she threw them away, but there's a hint that she may know for sure that he's Spider-Man: if you recall, in the first instalment, Peter drew up those illustrations of Spider-Man before building the suit, did he throw those designs away after moving out? He seems rather concerned about a simple set of comics, but I think his illustrations were more so on his mind, the fact that this is left for the viewer to interpret is masterful, proving that nothing needs to be outright told to have an understanding of what may or may not be true (a classic example in SHOW don't tell, because audiences don't need to be spoon-fed everything... especially in a movie that's only two hours long).
 
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ThedamnBatman
ThedamnBatman - 10/30/2014, 1:44 AM
Excellent read. I really liked the fact that you picked out of the box, but trully memorable scenes, and your explanation for the reasons you chose them was very satisfying. Two thumbs up
GinjaNinja
GinjaNinja - 10/30/2014, 6:19 AM
great list, but I will always put "I'm with you till the end of the line" in there somewhere.
MrJedabak
MrJedabak - 10/30/2014, 9:25 AM
"Everybody loves a hero. People line up for them, cheer them, scream their names, and years later they'll tell how they stood in the rain for hours, just to get a glimpse of the one who taught them to hold on a second longer.

I believe there's a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble and finally allows us to die with pride. Even though sometimes we have to be steady and give up the thing we want the most. Even our dreams."

You can keep throwing movies at us, Marvel. And they'll probably be cool.

But you'll never come close to this scene.
thejon93rd
thejon93rd - 10/30/2014, 10:22 AM
@AXE - I appreciate it, man. Thanks for the friend invite too. You're awesome.

@GinjaNinja - Thanks, man. I was originally going to put that Captain America: The Winter Solider end fight scene in there, but these ones have stuck with me longer which is why I couldn't find room. That film's incredible though, Marvel's on a roll with their films, with that and Guardians of the Galaxy, I'm sure this new Avengers film will be gold. Now that I look at my list again, I just realized there's no Marvel Studios film moments on there. :D I think that may be because of how I view the films, they work as a whole but scene-by-scene they don't work as well as these ones do (in my opinion, of course, I still love that epic Avengers money-shot, but that was purely made for the fanboys out there so I find it hard to fit scenes like that in with scenes that more so reminisce with me).

@MrJedabak - I agree. There's so much power in that dialogue that I think it has yet to be topped by another superhero film, the film's an inspiration, and while I do get sick of the Mary Jane character, at least she's more human here than she was in the last film. Spider-Man 2 is a near-perfect film, it has its fair share of cheesiness throughout, but it makes up for it with scenes like this, and another is where Peter saves that girl from the apartment, only to hear that "some poor soul got trapped on the fourth floor... never made it out". A couple of people I know don't like the chocolate cake scene afterwards, but I love it because it shows Peter at his lowest point only to be saved by a friend he never knew he had, then comes the moving out scene following that scene and that is brilliant in every regard, Marvel Studios should let Sam Raimi do some more superhero/comic-book adaptations (I'd love to see his take on The Punisher).
MrJedabak
MrJedabak - 10/31/2014, 10:46 AM
@thejon93rd

Spider-Man 2 is definitely one of the best comicbook superhero movies of all time. I would put it as second, right behind The Dark Knight.

The Dark Knight Trilogy packs a lot of great dialogue as well. "As a man, I'm fresh and blood, I can be ignored, I can be destroyed, but as a symbol... As a symbol I can be incorruptible. I can be everlasting."

Some of the X-Men scenes I think should've earned a spot here would be Stryker talking to an imprisoned Xavier about his son and his wife, or Magneto swaying Pyro to his side, or the two final confrontations between Wolverine and Stryker at the end of X2.

The most meaningful of the X-Men movie scenes so far would be right at the end of the first movie:

"-You know this plastic prison of theirs won't hold me forever. The war is still coming, Charles. And I intend to fight it, by any means necessary.
-And I will always be there, old friend."
thejon93rd
thejon93rd - 10/31/2014, 6:24 PM
@MrJedabak - There was a time that I really felt Spider-Man 2 was middle-of-the-road or overrated, I felt the same way about The Dark Knight for a while too. But then, thankfully, that ridiculous perception evaporated and I was able to enjoy the films again, just as I did when I first saw them in theatres. They are definitely two of the best comic adaptations out there, I also really enjoyed: Iron Man, Hellboy, Batman Begins, Batman ('89), The Dark Knight Rises, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, and the others on the list.

I really like that exchange between Alfred and Bruce on the plane too, my only disappointment with it though, on repeat viewings, was how Alfred's just like "okay" when it comes to Bruce talking about this whole thing. He just kind of nods off after hearing about it, it's a fun scene, and there's great chemistry between Bale and Caine, but I would have liked Alfred to question Bruce a bit more on the subject. One of my favourite scenes from Begins was when Ducard makes Bruce fall into that ice water, the exchange between them afterwards is really great, when Ducard talks about his dead wife, getting "vengeance" against the men responsible, Bruce refusing to give into the vengeful side of himself as Ducard suggests, along with Ducard asking Bruce why he didn't avenge his parents' murder. It's a brilliant scene and I really liked Liam Neeson's performance in the film, he's like a father-figure to Bruce at the beginning, but turns on him because he doesn't follow his wishes to become an executioner, plus he blows his house up and leaves him for dead(?: which I never understood because the guy taking care of him seemed like a nice guy, telling Bruce that he'll say "I will tell him you saved his life", so he didn't leave him to die necessarily, but maybe the people living on the mountain tried to kill him because the same guy was urging Bruce to "go back" when approaching the castle/mansion or whatever that place was).

I loved the Logan/Stryker interactions, especially at the end, but I love the bit between them in the mansion. Stryker intrigues Logan with the idea of finally figuring out who he is, only to be blocked off by Bobby's ice wall, I felt for Logan during this scene because, just as much as him, I too wanted to figure out more about the character and what happened to him, how he lost his memory, and all of those questions, but him saying to the kids that "I'll be fine" and Rogue's genuine response back, saying that "we won't be" was perfectly-timed and executed. Rogue, Bobby and Pyro were intriguing characters, but it was a shame to see them go to waste in Ratner's X3, reducing all three to being one-note, one-trick ponies with no interesting arcs or progression besides "let's fight" and "I don't want my powers any more because boys only think about one thing and I want to be able to do that one thing that boys like to do finally" was utterly annoying. They could have evolved Rogue by giving her better powers, similar to what happens with Jean Grey/Dark Phoenix (she would have been the good one of that duo though), like she has in the comics, but instead they shoehorned in that typical love story to make Rogue the typical jealous female who is ashamed because she can't have sex with her boyfriend. I blame the screenwriters more than Ratner though, but I also blame Singer for abandoning the franchise in the first place in turn for a mediocre, unnecessary redo of Richard Donner's Superman film(s).

Back to X-Men though, I love that last scene in the first X-Men film as well, it builds perfectly to the mansion scene, as shown in the film's first teaser trailer, with the attack on the mansion going along with Magneto's cryptic voice-over about how "they'll come for you... and your children". My favourite moment from the first film though are the simple things, I listened to the commentary track and they pointed out in the scene between Rogue and Bobby (who's really Mystique) that Bobby's the only one who has smoke coming out of his mouth from the cold weather, though it was cold out, Rogue never had that same smoke blowing out of her mouth, so seeing Bobby do that (because he's Ice Man) was a nice, subtle touch (even though it was purely coincidental in context). I also love the scene where Logan is introduced to the X-Men, and he asks Xavier "what do they call you? Wheels?" which was improvised by Hugh Jackman, it's a great little moment, and I chuckle at it every time I see the film.
MrJedabak
MrJedabak - 11/1/2014, 9:07 AM
@thejon93rd

Haven't seen Hellboy in a long time. Is it really that good? Also, I keep hearing about that Mask of the Phantasm. I have to remember to check that out sometime, I've never watched it.

Michael Caine is a marvelous actor, but Christian Bale really gives him a run for his money through the whole The Dark Knight Trilogy. All scenes between those two and wonderfully written and excellently acted.

"I had this fantasy, that I'd look across the tables, and I'd see you there, with a wife, maybe a couple of kids. You wouldn't say anything to me, nor me to you. But we'd both know that you'd made it. That you were happy."

And then Alfred got everything he ever wanted. One of the few times I've almost cried in any movie.

I have two theories for that "you left me for dead" thing. One is that Ra's meant that Bruce thought he left Ra's al Ghul for dead, when he didn't know Ken Watanabe was just a decoy and then he saw him die. The second theory I have is that Ra's just doesn't care about objective truth, just his own interpretation of it. So, Bruce had saved him, but he doesn't give a damn. He'd kill Bruce later anyway.

Liam Neeson had lots of great moments as Ra's al Ghul. I personally prefer the burning of Wayne Manor.

"The League of Shadows has been a check against human corruption for thousands of years. We sacked Rome. Loaded trade ships with plague rats. Burned London to the ground. Every time a civilization reaches the pinnacle of its decadence we return to restore the balance." It's so epic.

What's great about X2 (well, one of the things that's great. Everything is awesome about that movie) is Logan's growth from being an isolated amnesiac brute who only cares about who he is and who he was to a full committed X-Man. He deals with Stryker and the possibility of learning his origins, and finally rejects all that. We don't need to know who he was before the adamantium. The important thing is who he has become now. Just like we didn't need to see how Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader, or how Mike and Sully met. Prequels like Origins: Wolverine are irrelevant and unnecessary by definition. It's rarely that you get a good prequel like First Class.

Oh yeah, Brett Ratner. It's sad how we didn't get a proper storyline out of the Dark Phoenix Saga. Still, good things came out of that movie. The "kinda sorta" love story between Bobby and Kitty was nice (Ellen Page is great in everything I've seen her in). Kelsey Grammer is awesome as Beast. And that would be about it.

Still, when you think about it, it's because The Last Stand exists that we've got First Class, the Wolverine, Days of Future Past and the upcoming Apocalypse. So, things turned out okay.

I don't get the hate for Superman Returns. It's not a great film, maybe not even a good one, but I've always been entertained by it. I don't know, it's fun. Doesn't come close to Superman and Superman II, but it's definitely better than the extra-violent, explosion-filled, exaggerated sensory overload that Man of Steel was. Whatever, we all got our opinions.

Ha. I've never listened to the commentary track of any of the X-Men films. Maybe I should.

That was improvised? That was such a great line! I always laugh at it every time I watch it.

A scene that would belong here if it wasn't so new is the ending of Days of Future Past. It's so refreshing, uplifting and emotional to see the future finally repaired. And when Jean and Scott appear, oh my god... another of the few times I've almost cried in a movie. The whole film was wonderful.

Oh, and thanks for the friend request, pal. You're cool.
thejon93rd
thejon93rd - 11/1/2014, 6:46 PM
@MrJedabak - Hellboy is an excellent film. I won't lie, the first time I watched it, I found it just to be okay, but the more I watched the film, the more I started to love it, watching the great documentaries on the DVD helped me out a lot with that too. G. del Toro is a consistently excellent filmmaker who puts a lot of heart and soul into his films, he also made Blade II one of my favourite comic-book adaptations of all-time, I really wanted to put a scene from Hellboy on here, but I found that Blade II scene to be the most memorable out of the two comic adaptations he's made. Ron Perlman is great, he's supported well by veterans like John Hurt and Jeffrey Tambor too, and the action scenes are just spectacular.

The dynamic between Bruce and Alfred was always great, loved the line from Begins about destroying his father's legacy after he saves Rachel and brings her to the Batcave. I also like that line you mentioned from Rises a lot too, I always viewed the ending this way though: that it was Alfred's hope from earlier in the film, that the image we saw was what he hoped to see of Bruce after his death, I loved that they left it open enough to interpret because it showed Bruce with Selina, who Alfred even mentions would be a perfect match for Bruce after she robs him of the pearls. A lot of people hated on Rises, but I think it's pretty much on-par with the other two films, every film has problems: Batman Begins had terrible cinematography for the action scenes, The Dark Knight had annoying minor characters (like those cops during the armoured car chase and the passengers on the boat were horrendous) and Rises had a somewhat weak "main villain" in Talia al Ghul (her death scene was embarrassing, but her whole plan didn't make a lot of sense to me, destroy Gotham with her and her men still in it to get revenge on Batman, why didn't she just blow it up when she found out he was there in the first place if she was so willing to do so after she stabbed him in the back?).

I loved that mansion scene from Begins too. "I... wanna thank you all for coming to my house and drinking all of my booze" and that whole speech Bruce gives to get people out was hilarious, but heroic as well since he knew that he had to save them from getting burned to the ground as his house was soon to be. "The League of Shadows has been a check against human corruption for thousands of years. We sacked Rome. Loaded trade ships with plague rats. Burned London to the ground. Every time a civilization reaches the pinnacle of its decadence we return to restore the balance." I love this line too because it gives a wink to Batman fans who know that Ras was an immortal in the comics, and this makes it feel like he was actually there when they sacked Rome thousands of years ago. Epic moment indeed.

I liked certain things about X3, but, overall, it left me feeling cold and bitter. I've watched the film a couple of times now and every time I find it gets worse and worse, it's so depressing and mean that it's hard to see how it's in line with the other X-Men films which both had heart and were charming as well. X2 had dark things happen, but it saved that stuff for the end so that it could leave a bigger impact and have audiences wonder what would happen next, fast-forward to X3 and we're only halfway through the film when they kill off both Xavier and Cyclops, I was fine with Cyclops getting killed (because they didn't quite show it, which made me wonder if he was still alive), but seeing Dark Phoenix actually (brutally, I might add) kill Xavier in-front of Wolverine was just disgusting and totally uncalled for. Magneto's reaction was the worst, he just picks her up and takes her away with him, only at the end of the film he asks "what have I done?" when she starts destroying all of the soldiers and "pawns" as he referred to his mutant army as. He has a reaction to nameless mutants and soldiers being killed, but he doesn't have one when his best (seemingly only) friend gets killed? What BS! I hate, hate, hated X3 with a passion, it might as well have been directed by Michael Bay because that's what it felt like: action comes first, and nothing else matters.

Thankfully they did start to get things back on track with the rest of the X-Men films, First Class could have been the start to a brand-new franchise but had the daunting task of being set before any of the X-Men films (which created a lot of continuity errors, mainly the fact that Hank built Cerebro, even though in X-Men, Xavier says that he and Magneto built it together when they were friends but that was obviously forgotten about in the scripting), I still liked the film, but I wouldn't have minded if it was a fresh start completely (because then we could have had proper origins for Cyclops and Jean Grey) and I wouldn't have minded if they toned down some of the pretentious dialogue scenes ("Mutant... and proud" always bothers me, as it's an obvious shout-out to gay/human rights, which was more subtly done in the first-two X-Men films, but thankfully this only occurs a few times... it still annoys me though).

Superman Returns has a couple of good things going for it: great rescue scenes, some great supporting performances (mainly from Kevin Spacey and Frank Langella), John Williams' score, Marlon Brando scenes, etc. But it all felt too little, too late to me. I hated the overall story, Superman abandons Earth for years in search of his home world only to come up empty handed, he couldn't make Lex's court-date which, yet again, makes Lex Luthor our main guy in a Superman film. I just hated how meandering the film was, it was 2 and 1/2 hours of super boredom with a mean-spirited Lois Lane, a pointless love triangle, nothing for Superman/Clark to do except be "super" (which glorifies his powers and makes the man himself feel useless, as if to say Superman is superior to everyone else). Every time I try to watch it, I want to nod off because it's so dull, and so pointless, and it gives nothing for Clark/Superman to say/do except make references to Christopher Reeve's excellent performance (remember when I saved the helicopter and said "Statistically speaking, it's still the safest way to travel", I'll say that again, how 'bout "swell", of course I'll say that again). It all just felt pretentious to me, but I still liked some of the action scenes (the plane save is excellent and the Metropolis saving montage was well-done, loved the part where Superman saves Perry White from the falling Daily Planet globe).

Man of Steel is a film where I completely understand the divided reception it gets: it's loud, it's overloaded with action, too much destruction, etc. The reason I love the film is because it doesn't paint Clark as this perfect being, he may have these extraordinary superpowers, but he's not the smartest when it comes to saving the day because it's his first week on the job, he makes glaring mistakes like (as mentioned in the article) destroying the Kryptonian ship to stop Zod from destroying the ship with Lois on it, which, in turn, probably kills hundreds upon thousands of people on its crash back down to Metropolis. He takes the fight up to space, but decides that he's going to crash back down to Earth and crash through a couple more buildings, killing even more innocents in his one-on-one with Zod, but I like that this occurs because not only does it provide amazing action scenes, but it also offers Superman the chance to redeem himself by fully embracing who he is: a hero, something that no super-powered man would be able to do without making a few mistakes, and this film shows that, by having Clark be the reason as to why Zod comes to Earth in the first place (because he activates the Kryptonian ship which signals an alert to Zod and his crew). With that said, I respect peoples' opinions as to why they may have hated this film, I see those same problems too, but I'm able to look beyond that at the bigger picture that it paints and say that this isn't meant to be the Superman of the 70s, "truth, justice and the American way", it's all a bit more opaque now which works in the films' favour (and I think it'll get better with age, especially after Batman vs. Superman arrives in 2016).
thejon93rd
thejon93rd - 11/1/2014, 6:46 PM
And no problem, Jeda. You're cool too.
MrJedabak
MrJedabak - 11/10/2014, 7:13 PM
@thejon93rd

These just keep getting longer and longer, huh. I wish academic writing was as easy and enjoyable as writing about these topics is.

Del Toro is really cool. I sometimes wonder what his take on The Hobbit would've been. Peter Jackson did a wonderful job with TLotR, that trilogy will go down in history. But now his Hobbit movies and the BTS videos show that he doesn't give a shit anymore. He said several times he didn't want to make The Hobbit, and now he's been forced to. It's sad.

I don't know why people insist on the ending of Rises being a dream. Not one time, through the whole The Dark Knight Trilogy, has any scene been alluded to as being a dream, a product of a character's imagination. That ending scene is perfect. It's not about how realistic it is (like fanboys complain about, "how would Bruce know when would Alfred return to that cafe and how did he know where he would sit so they would be reasonable distance?"), it's about a happy ending for everyone, and Alfred getting what he wanted for his, for all intents and purposes, adopted son.

I liked the boats sequence in The Dark Knight. It serves a major point beyond the minor actors, that people may have the potential for evil and madness, but it's not our biggest character trait, we are not all doomed to be as corrupted as the Joker would like.

Talia's death was terrible, but her speech to Bruce about her origins was impressive. "It's the slow knife, the knife that takes its time, the knife that waits years without forgetting, then slips quietly between the bones. That's the knife that cuts deepest." I loved it, how he talked about his father and Bane, what happened to them in the Pit, it's great. But then Bane gets killed off too quickly.

I completely agree with your points on The Last Stand, but I can't hate it. Some parts were enjoyable, Kitty and Bobby's scenes, Pyro fighting Iceman, Kelsey Grammer being awesome...

The problem with First Class is that it was conceived and released as a reboot. They didn't care for continuity. But then they got the idea of The Wolverine leading up to a crossover between First Class and the original trilogy, creating Days of Future Past.

I don't care about continuity. It's better when it exist, but when a movie is good, it's good. And DofP was great. Best CBM of the year, followed closely by The Winter Soldier.

Well, Superman isn't meant to be a deep character. He's a white guy in red and blue tights flying around, for crying out loud. He's supposed to be like this god, perfect, free from human imperfections. And him being a dorky, awkward and nerd reporter as Clark Kent brings the perfect opposite of that. No one would suspect he and Superman would even know each other, let alone be the same person. Superman, unless you're adapting Death and Return, isn't supposed to be dark, sad and depressing. It's not supposed to have a destroyed city. Superman isn't Batman. But well, to each their own. Nevertheless, I'm still looking forward to Batman v Superman.
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