MIA in the MCU Part Three: Marvel Knights

MIA in the MCU Part Three: Marvel Knights

Last of a 3-part series where I look at some big timers that have not yet made their way into the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Editorial Opinion
By jpeace4 - Aug 14, 2013 04:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Daredevil
Source: Comic Book Brain Splatter

The MCU will continue to expand upon its roster of characters with every movie Marvel Studios produces.  With the core group of the Avengers established, Marvel has begun to show a willingness to involve new heroes in their movies by adding Falcon to Captain America: The Winter Soldier and even going Cosmic with Guardians of the Galaxy.  Mutant twins Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch will join the crow in Avengers: Age of Ultron. We also know that Ant-Man will kick off their Phase 3 plans and it is all but assured that Doctor Strange will follow shortly thereafter.  Despite the film rights to several of their big name heroes (Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer to name too many) at other studios, Marvel still has the ability to add some depth and flair to an already dynamic roster of big screen superheroes and many of the ones I will feature have had large roles in some of Marvel's legendary comic book arcs. Which ones do I think might deserve some love? Last up:
Marvel Knights: Daredevil, The Punisher, Luke Cage, Iron Fist

The corners of the MCU we've explored so far, while full of action and fighting, have been very tame and aimed towards attracting a wide-ranging audience which includes young children.  There are, however, plenty of guys in my demographic that would flock to the theaters for a little bit of R-rated violence done right OR that would tune in religiously to AMC/FOX/HBO etc. to see a series.  The Marvel Knights concept is made for this kind of demographic.

Marvel Knights is a great concept because the series explore all corners of the Marvel universe, typically in a limited series, a little differently than what we see in the mainstream comics.  The characters I listed above are by no means the only characters that fall under the umbrella of Marvel Knights, simply the ones that have compelling stories that would also fit into the rest of the MCU.  In almost all of these cases, Marvel could do some serious work, much how they are going to do with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, and strategically place these characters either in their own TV series, in combo series, or sprinkled in the background of other movies before giving them their own solo flicks that might be a two and a half hour wrap-up of two or three seasons worth of exposition and rising action. Think X-Files or 24 films.  Readers...it can be done and Marvel is the place that can do it.

The rights to Daredevil were recently returned to Marvel Studios much to the delight of many fanboys who know that there are several great Hornhead stories that would make a great transition to the screen and the current Marvel Now series by Mark Waid (Daredevil by Mark Waid, Vol. 1
) is one of the best books available...PERIOD.  The question, in my mind, is are those stories best done as a movie or in a series.  The fact that Matt Murdock is a lawyer by day/butt-kicker by night played well enough in the Ben Affleck Daredevil, before this Golden Age of CBMs, but would a Dexter-esque series play even better to audiences?

A Daredevil series gives time to characterize Murdock and build a world around him without having to to throw the Kingpin out there in 2-hours.  Maybe it works better in serial form to build up, to see the Kingpin is there, to watch Matt Murdock go after him AND to see Daredevil go after him but to also see some court room drama, which TV audiences love, and some R-rated violence, which TV audiences love that don't have to do with the Kingpin.  Time will tell but you know that Daredevil, one of Marvel's oldest and still most popular comic characters, will be added to the MCU eventually.

One cannot exactly say that Frank Castle hasn't had a chance to succeed on film and many would argue that he hasn't exactly failed either.  Personally, the Thomas Jane Punisher ($4.99 for the Extended Cut on Amazon, really? The Punisher (Extended Cut)
 ) film got me through a lot of angry nights and I love the film, not as a cinematic masterpiece, but just for what it is.  The Dolph version was entirely lost on me and the latest attempt, Punisher: War Zone, seemed to be on the right track but was eventually derailed by poor story telling and a relatively lame villain, though I was ok with Ray Stevenson's turn as Castle.



The Punisher, as a character, cannot be done justice in a one off and will always struggle to get a film series because the first films are not going to draw well.  You can't do a PG-13 Frank Castle if you're still going to call him Frank Castle and you can't make enough money on an R-rated Frank Castle to get him more than one film in a series.  The Punisher, however, can work extremely well in serial format and could easily contain parallel stories through flashbacks in the model of Lost or Arrow.  No, Frank didn't get stuck on an island, but he lives on one now and he wants to.  I could run countless scenarios through my mind of the opening 5-10 minutes of a Punisher series showing Castle properly destroying some poor punk who had it coming.  Make Frank an antihero, establish the Punisher, then deal with flashbacks to the war, to his family, to the executions...that makes a nice little show.



Luke Cage and Iron Fist belong in the MCU.  Cage is about to be pushed back into the public eye with Marvel Now's Mighty Avengers and is one of Marvel's underappreciated characters...he is also Dwayne Johnson's ticket into the MCU and Dwayne Johnson not only puts boots to asses but he puts asses in seats and that's something that not even Marvel can ignore.  Flat out I am a huge fan of Cage but I don't see him carrying a solo film right away.  The Alias, AKA Jessica Jones show that was in the works sounded like a great way to introduce Cage and I wouldn't be stunned to see elements of that show in S.H.I.E.L.D or see the idea for the show resurrected if the Coulson-based show works the way Marvel wants it to.  The Jessica Jones show would be a great way of introducing Cage and some of his running mates into MCU canon.

Cage's most frequent and coolest running mate: Danny Rand, Iron Fist.  Ironically, Rand could slip into the current MCU a little easier than Cage, though not running solo as Iron Fist.  It's easy to see Rand in business with Tony Stark and having that part of his character built into the MCU.  It's a little harder, however, to imagine Marvel adding a kung-fu flick into the mix no matter how badly they want to push the boundaries of adding genres to CBMs.  That brings us back to the small screen and I think there's a formula for success for Heroes for Hire: The A-Team.  A weekly series with a diverse group of heroes taking on assignments for people in need of help...works great!  Obviously the Heroes for Hire group has had a bunch of heroes rotate through and any could cameo on the show at anytime.

The above is about as far down the road of fan fiction as I dare go, but it is the kind of creative thinking that Marvel has shown in the past and in the present.  Not all their great characters are going to pull in hundreds of millions of dollars because they don't have a built in audience or the types of stories that work in a 2 hour movie.  Some of them actually deserve the slow build of a weekly series before getting a big-screen treatment.  Marvel has so many rich characters and more than one way to put them out there.

Thanks for reading this 3 parter...add some comments and tell me what you think.  Who's your Daredevil?  Your Castle?


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jpeace4
jpeace4 - 8/14/2013, 5:06 PM
Had Moon Knight in the plan originally but thought he might be a meet and greet instead
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 8/14/2013, 5:21 PM
Bit of an odd choice, but I think David Giuntolli of the show Grimm would be an awesome Daredevil.
As for Punisher, either bring back Thomas Jane or cast someone younger.
Great article yet again, dude.
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 8/14/2013, 5:26 PM
Also, you wouldn't mind glancing over this? I might start either a web series or a comic, depending on friend availability.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/NovaCorpsfan/news/?a=85438
jpeace4
jpeace4 - 8/14/2013, 6:19 PM
That would be great. The link to my site us comicbookbrainsplatter.blogspot.com. I'm hoping to get more done soon and see where things go. Thanks.!!
jpeace4
jpeace4 - 8/14/2013, 6:54 PM
@Cipher,

That's the Punisher series we need. You just can't do Frank justice in 2 hours. Some of these guys are natural transitions to serial TV...I mean what are comics but serial stories? Easy transition.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 8/14/2013, 7:31 PM
I have an ex and.... another ex too!
I uh, don't think Marvel Knights would be worth getting THOSE two together. One went up to Sac, the other went up to Massachusetts. Between the hay-smelling horse lover, and the "free-spirited" never-sober "everyone's a tool" pot head...

...well I've got you guys!

Anyways, jpeace...
You get mad props for actually getting it right. Keep it in the Kitchen.

Marvel's been getting some flack now and then about this idea that because they're owned by Disney, it's all about steering towards kid/family friendly characters and movies. I can't disagree more. Anyone see the latest BOMB from Disney that invested a megaton of a budget to produce? The Lone Ranger. It's not CONSTANTLY violent, though the gun blasting doesn't really leave you wanting.... but there's this one scene that made this mother right next to me cover her daughter's eyes.

William Fichtner cuts out James Badge Dale's heart and EATS it.... on screen. To be fair, it's shown in an extreme close-up reflection off of Arnie Hammer's eye, and the glare makes it look like a silhouette, but there it is. That's in a DISNEY movie.

I really want to see Luke Cage. We need a guy who looks and acts ordinary, doesn't come from money, doesn't answer to people based in the sky... but someone who's just badass. Like his superpower is being a badass. Your weapons cannot harm me, I'm a badass, bitch.
jpeace4
jpeace4 - 8/14/2013, 7:51 PM
@Tainted87,

If I don't see Luke Cage in the MCU I will never understand why. He is a great damn character.
NovaCorpsFan
NovaCorpsFan - 8/15/2013, 5:20 AM
... I had a witty remark to make... I lost it, though.
I gotta stop watching Red Dwarf during comments.
OcciferPing
OcciferPing - 8/15/2013, 8:54 AM
I was really disappointed they stopped with MARVEL KNIGHTS movies. I think it's a great escape from MARVEL STUDIOS and gives studios (or even Disney maybe) to make darker films like the Punisher and what you mentioned. Instead of just making films that are toned down for kids. Like the comics, this division should be for the 17+ crowd only. It could make a lot of money if invested and advertised right.
brazilianbatman
brazilianbatman - 8/15/2013, 10:24 AM
this is what I would like to see;

Daredevil: I want to see see the reboot sooner than later. Perhaps in phase 3, since the last movie came out 10 years ago, believing that this movie will come out in 5 years or so it doesn't seems to be too early. Ben Afleck should direct and write instead play the character this time.

Luke Cage and Iron Fist: I think this team up would be more marketable than a solo with both characters. Heros For Hire could be the '2 Guns Guns of Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Punisher: This is one I rather see a tv series first. Why? To attract audiences, especially because all the 3 movies that came out were failed in the box office.
If the tv series is suscessfull than they can introduce him in a movie in the third reboot. Or perhaps in a Marvel Knights movies after Darevil is rebooted in a solo as the Cage and Iron Fist as well.
EdgyOutsider
EdgyOutsider - 8/16/2013, 9:56 AM
Doctor Strange coming to the Marvel Cinematic Universe soon, presumably in Phase Three. I think the better choice would be go with Ghost Rider. It's right up Doctor Strange's ally. Sure, Ghost Rider is a much darker character obviously than those that are debuting/set to debut soon. But, he's the kind of character that Doctor Strange deals with and that's why I think he would work and be the best choice. Keep him more standalone in the MCU though and have Strange make an appearance or have some sort of role in the sequel. You get what I am saying though.
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