DEADPOOL & WOLVERINE: Alternate Wolverine Costume Designs Make Fan-Pleasing Change To Suit NOT In The Movie

@Nomis929 - Trimperine.

@GeneralZod - It was the '70s....Big Belt Buckles were all the rage for Superheroes. :)

Miller's limited series is what put him in the forefront to a lot of comic readers and where his catch-phrase of "I'm the best their is, but what he do isn't nice." came from.

Personally, about 2 years earlier, the first comic that got me really really interested in Wolverine was X-men # 133 "Wolverine Alone" where he rescued the X-men from the Hellfire Club in a way I never seen a mainstream comic hero did before. After that issue he was pretty much top tier character for me.

@SuperJefe - You said it! They were the premiere creative team in comics in the late '70s early '80s.

@ObserverIO -
I've seen the same cycle repeat with bad films each time, people will lump it with empty praise but never bother to actually discuss the film in detail. Then a few years, months, weeks or days down the line their opinion will flip. We've seen this happen repeatedly with Marvel, to the point where people are now openly stating how utterly shit Phase 4 was.

I'm not seeing anyone here actually going into detail, it's all surface level hype over them getting the visuals or being caught up in music being played during a scene. It's difficult to take their praise as having a value if they don't bother to explain their viewpoint beyond saying it's good.

People will look back at this film and see the plot is a disaster, the character journey is a mess and inconsistent, it acts as a deconstruction and character assassination of beloved characters, built upon coincidence and stolen ideas, and its filled with missed opportunities - especially in regards to the Deadpool franchise.

@ObserverIO -
"So maybe you could explain why you thought the plot was a disaster or why you thought the character arcs were inconsistent."

Here are a few:

• Logan is set in 2029. Deadpool 3 is set in 2024. There's no reason for the TVA to grab Deadpool before the anchor being has died.

• With Logan still alive in 2024, there's no reason why Deadpool couldn't have teamed up with his version of Logan or brought his version of Logan to the TVA from an earlier point in time.

• Due to the above at the end of the movie there are now two versions of X-23 and Wolverine in Deadpool's timeline existing in 2024.

• Every single time a variant goes from one timeline to another damages the timeline and risks the creation of an incursion for as long as an individual stays in a different timeline. The 'worst' Wolverine being in Deadpool's timeline means an incursion should occur.

• The 'worst' version of Wolverine is just that he got drunk at a bar and then, taking the remarks from Andrew's Spider-man in NWH, got vengeful and went on a rampage. Despite this implied murder of innocents that was 'irredeemable' he's allowed to be at the bar without issue? Nobody in his timeline seems to care.

• The concept of an anchor being only works as a meta commentary, in-universe it fundamentally breaks every single story-line because an anchor being who is not immortal would doom every timeline to destruction within 1000 years of their death.

• The Void is outside of time, the end of time, where everything ends up, yet they claim it is a dimension in this movie and you can travel to/from it using a Sling Ring.

• Cable is missing despite promising to support Deadpool in protecting the world.

• The entire dynamic with Deadpool & Colossus, implied by Vanessa to potentially become intimate in Deadpool 2, is abandoned.

• Deadpool upon being given a device capable of travelling through timelines, time and space, decides to visit Wolverine's grave and dig him up as opposed to going to any point prior to his death to team with the original Wolverine.

• If Deadpool simply needs a Wolverine to fill the gap, as he believes, there's no reason why he wouldn't instantly just take one of the many he encountered as opposed to trying to explain himself. Especially the version of Wolverine who is pinned to the 'X' who can't resist.

• The TVA can prune entire timelines with easily acquirable singular Reset Bombs, this was the plot of Loki S2 as a mass pruning of timelines occurred extremely easily due to this, yet Deadpool 3 thinks they need to create a Time Ripper that takes 72 hours to get up and running.

• A device created to destroy a singular timeline is so powerful that it can destroy the entire multiverse in order for Cassandra to threaten the entire multiverse with destruction.

• Cassandra destroying a timeline while she's still in it.

• Human Torch knows who Cassandra's army features and he's actively deciding to wait alone and fight against them alone despite being the leader of a team including Blade, Elektra, Gambit and X-23 - and he decides to attack Pyro who he knows can manipulate fire?

• Why are all the Deadpools working for Cassandra Nova?

• Deadpool wants to matter, yet he already saved his entire timeline in Deadpool 2.

• Deadpool wants to be part of a team, yet he did this in Deadpool 2 and realized he didn't want to be part of a team.

• Wolverine knows aspects about Deadpool that are not relayed to him, such as him knowing that Deadpool is immortal as opposed to just having fast healing like him, knowing Deadpool is dating a stripper (despite Deadpool claiming she was a dancer) and other aspects that were presumably cut from the film to establish their dynamic.

"what you thought were character assassinations"

Deadpool gained self-confidence in himself during the first Deadpool movie, understanding that he mattered. He saved the whole of his timeline in Deadpool 2 along with saving Vanessa, he also realized he did not want to be part of a team after the X-Force disaster. By the end of the first movie he'd become secure in his relationship with Vanessa and she mattered so much to him that he was killing himself over and over in Deadpool 2 to be with her and ended up altering all of time/space to save her. The second movie opened with Wade & Vanessa discussing plans to have children together.

Deadpool 3 immediately pretends that Deadpool feels he does not matter, splits up him and Vanessa off-screen because Wade does not feel he deserves her (Despite them talking about plans for kids) and has him desperate to join Earth 19999's Avengers for some reason. Deadpool also ends up resulting in the murder of Nicepool and Human Torch, regardless of if he feels it is justified, this is out of character for him because both had saved him or helped him at varying points in the story. It's a character assassination.

The original Wolverine is the most assassinated, in Logan his sacrifice was heroic and he actively saved X-23.

In Deadpool 3 his sacrifice doomed the entire timeline and X-23 was instantly pruned afterwards by the TVA. Deadpool even praises the 'worst' Wolverine as being the best Wolverine, while working as a potential meta commentary, it labels the original Logan as a failure. Wolverine's sacrifice in Logan was actively detrimental to the entire timeline and would have resulted in the deaths of every individual in that timeline.

It's not backseat driving, it's characters being established prior and then having everything thrown away because they want to depict the prior heroes as failures. Indiana Jones, Luke Skywalker, we've seen this time and again and it was a primary aspect of people disliking those films.

"Built upon coincidence and stolen ideas"

• Deadpool happens to find the absolute 'worst' Wolverine, a Wolverine that Paradox knows due to him being the 'worst', despite infinite variations of Wolverine.

• Deadpool & Wolverine get banished to the void and show up in the exact spot where Human Torch is despite the Void world being insanely massive.

• Deadpool, Wolverine & Human Torch are found by Cassandra's minions despite the Void world being insanely massive.

• Wolverine randomly hits an object for them to fly out of Cassandra's lair and escape Alioth.

• Nicepool stumbles across Deadpool & Wolverine while looking for Dogpool to offer them the car despite the Void world being insanely massive.

• X-23 stumbles across Deadpool & Wolverine to take them to the base despite the Void world being insanely massive.

• Cassandra's portal takes them to the car sales area, presumably because she's read Deadpool's mind and wants them delivered there, but they arrive at the precise moment Peter is so that Peter knows they need help in order for him to stop the Deadpool's later.

• The TVA happen to set-up their Time Ripper directly outside Blind Al's apartment, there's no reason given for why this location was chosen.

• The TVA decide to remove Deadpool from his timeline before setting up the Time Ripper, giving him 72 hours to save everything, as opposed to collecting him later and/or ensuring the Time Ripper is set-up prior so they can just kidnap him and activate it.

• The horrific murder of a Fantastic Four member is taken from Multiverse of Madness.

• Wolverine's backstory of going on a rampage due to a loss of those close to him as he failed to protect them is the plot for Andrew's Spider-man in NWH.

• The ending defeat of Cassandra Nova with characters sharing the power to avoid themselves exploding, instead exploding the villain, is the climax of Guardians of the Galaxy.