DOCTOR STRANGE Director Scott Derrickson On Casting Benedict Cumberbatch And How Close Joaquin Phoenix Came

DOCTOR STRANGE Director Scott Derrickson On Casting Benedict Cumberbatch And How Close Joaquin Phoenix Came

Doctor Strange director Scott Derrickson has reflected on the lengths Marvel Studios went to in order to cast Benedict Cumberbatch in the 2016 movie and reveals just how close Joaquin Phoenix came...

By JoshWilding - Apr 30, 2024 05:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Doctor Strange
Source: Slash Film

When Marvel Studios was searching for its Doctor Strange in the mid-2010s, a lot of very interesting names were in the mix. Chief among them was Joaquin Phoenix, an actor it was hard to imagine ever joining the MCU. 

Ultimately, it didn't happen, and Benedict Cumberbatch landed the role. It's hard to imagine anyone else playing the Sorcerer Supreme now, of course, and Doctor Strange director Scott Derrickson revealed just how close the Joker star came to being cast in an interview with Slash Film.

"Well, all I'll say is I spent some time with him. I spent a couple of long afternoons with him and really was really impressed with him personally and his thought process," the filmmaker explained. "This is what I'll say: I think he was giving, I think he was opening his mind to the possibility. I think he was investigating the possibility."

"I met with a bunch of actors, and Joaquin was the one that I spent the most time with. As we continued to talk, it became clear to me that Joaquin didn't really belong in that movie and probably never belonged in the MCU. He's a very specific guy with very specific goals as an actor, and a very specific way of performing. I think it became clear to both of us that this might not be a good fit, really is what it came down to."

Once that was established, Derrickson set his sights on Cumberbatch, an actor he says was always "my choice for the role." 

However, a problem arose when Marvel Studios learned the actor was committed to performing in Hamlet, making it impossible to cast him when Doctor Strange was still a summer movie. However, they wanted Cumberbatch enough to change the release date! 

"Benedict, he's a guy with great integrity, and he understood the significance of what the role was and how it could impact his life. But he just said, 'I've said yes to these people. I've committed to doing this. I can't back out of it.' He just personally wouldn't do that to the theater and to the director of the show. So I came back from that trip and I was like, 'We're not going to get Benedict.'

"We didn't have a script, either. Keep that in mind. I think what he was very nervous about was he'd be committing to multiple movies, which is not the kind of thing he's ever done. I just went back to Kevin [Feige] and I just said, 'We have to move the date because it's got to be Benedict.' Kevin went to Bob Iger and Alan Horn, and told them what I said."

"We moved the release date to get Benedict," Derrickson concluded.

While the director had been attached to helm the Doctor Strange sequel, he eventually ran into creative issues with Marvel Studios and parted ways on amicable terms. Sam Raimi later helmed Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, a sequel much different to what Derrickson had in mind.

Both Doctor Strange movies are now streaming on Disney+.

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Spike101
Spike101 - 4/30/2024, 5:40 AM
I’m really glad they went with Benedict Cumberbatch as he’s been brilliant in the role.
Fogs
Fogs - 4/30/2024, 6:02 AM
@Spike101 - Yeah, I like him a lot too.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/30/2024, 5:50 AM
It would have been interesting to see Joaquin as Strange (there’s a universe out there where that happened) but i think it ultimately worked out for the best…

Phoenix is great but he’s never struck me as a big franchise guy which is a weird thing to say since we are getting a Joker sequel with him later this year but that still feels like different since that’s it’s own thing and untethered to anything else:

Anyway, I’m glad they could get Cumberbatch since he’s been great in the role but man , I remember some not liking the casting and calling it a “safe” and “obvious” choice like that’s a bad thing…

Kinda reminds of the FF casting since we were getting rumors about who was in talks for so long that it felt like they just went with the popular choice by the end , like Pedro for Reed (who might be a safe choice imo but certainly not obvious for that character).

Anyway , can’t wait to see him again in the future soon!!.

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TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/30/2024, 5:57 AM
Also even though I liked MoM overall , man would I still have liked to have seen Derrick’s version going by the little info we know…

He wanted to use Nightmare and through him go deeper into the character of Strange as well as make it a genuine horror film aswell

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I think it could have been great but alas.
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 4/30/2024, 6:02 AM
Benedict is really good, can't quite picture Phoenix as Strange.

Win-win for everybody i guess.
Fogs
Fogs - 4/30/2024, 6:05 AM
@Doomsday8888 - Totally, Benedict pulled a phlegmatic style, which is how I always imagined Strange. Phoenix is great, but I don't see him being like that, not in the same way at least.
CoHost
CoHost - 4/30/2024, 6:09 AM
"Dormammu! You get what you f***in' deserve!"

I had to.
Forthas
Forthas - 4/30/2024, 7:32 AM
While we could never know for sure, I think Benedict Cumberbatch has turned out to be the better fit.
Origame
Origame - 4/30/2024, 8:06 AM
On one hand, we missed out on Joaquin in the mcu.

On the other, Joaquin didn't have to be in multiverse of madness.

🤔
RedFury
RedFury - 4/30/2024, 8:24 AM
Joaquin would have been a really interesting choice for the role. I can picture him playing a much more subdued, and internal Strange. Someone that would be less of a showman than Benedicts
Strange is. I think Benedict is the best person for the role, especially after the performance he's pulled off, he just fits so well.

But it would have been cool to see someone like Joaquin in the role, and what he could have brought to the MCU. In retrospect I really wish the multiverse could have given us these alternate looks into the characters. Get the actors that missed out on the role to play them in a few scenes, or as meatier cameos. Give us a taste of what could have been, and use the multiverse as a way into that. Like they did with Krasinski in MoM. More of that would have been nice. I guess there's still some time for that, fingers crossed we get to see some more what could have been casting choices.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/30/2024, 8:39 AM
@RedFury - that would be cool and nice fan service

I do think multiverse stories work best when they are used to reflect the characters choices & decisions upon themselves or who they are so they can possibly grow forward like what we got with Loki in his own show or Strange in MoM
RedFury
RedFury - 4/30/2024, 10:07 AM
@TheVisionary25 - that's a good point of view on it. "This could be you, if..." kind of vibe. They definitely have gotten that across with Strange, as we've seen multiple different versions of him throughout the multiverse. With Loki as well. Peggy to a lesser extent, as she is still inherently the same character we saw in the main timeline, just with Caps Powers driving her purpose.

I would love to have seen them expand on Tony as well, but I believe that ship has sailed since his death stops him from interacting with his alternate selves, even if we do end up seeing any in the back end of this saga.
Matchesz
Matchesz - 4/30/2024, 8:28 AM
There’s a darkness to Pheonix, would have loved to seen him bring that to the character.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 4/30/2024, 8:33 AM
You were spared, don't look back lol
PartyKiller
PartyKiller - 4/30/2024, 8:34 AM
Phoenix found a better role in The Joker. The Dr. Strange role has been pretty forgettable. Cumberbun has a limited range so he probably doesn't mind Strange being so lame.
Superspecialawesomeguy
Superspecialawesomeguy - 4/30/2024, 9:58 AM
I remember Ethan Hawke being in the running, I always thought he would have killed it as Dr Strange.

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RedFury
RedFury - 4/30/2024, 10:10 AM
@Superspecialawesomeguy - he absolutely would have been a great Strange if he landed the part. His cadence would fit really well with the character I think. He brings a certain aura to the roles he plays.
Baf
Baf - 4/30/2024, 10:00 AM
I like Benedict too but a Best Actor Oscar for Dr.Strange would have been nice.
TheLobster
TheLobster - 4/30/2024, 10:39 AM
Joaquin would have been cool but there’s no way he would have played ball to come back for sequels and cameos so they’d end up recasting him anyways.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/30/2024, 2:47 PM
@TheLobster - um...
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He's literally doing a musical sequel to Joker complete with pop star and member berries for the first movie.
They backed up the money truck when Joker became a mainstream commercial hit. That's what happens. That's what he was afraid would happen, but when you actually get offered all that money it's hard to keep your integrity.

He would have rationalised it to himself like, 'Well at least it's the same director, etc. This is still art'.

Not sure how he rationalised the musical aspect though. I guess it's artsy because it's different? Like La La Land maybe?
TheLobster
TheLobster - 5/2/2024, 12:06 AM
@ObserverIO - that’s not part of a larger connected world though. It’s self contained.

You really think Joaquin would be down for Infinity War, Endgame, No Way Home, and Thor Ragnarok in addition to a trilogy of his own solo films? Doubt it. Maybe if Marvel used more practical sets but they don’t and Joaquin would get bored of it quick.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/2/2024, 4:53 AM
@TheLobster - If the sequel is successful I expect they will spin it off with other solo villain movies set in the same world and Joaquin will probably be given a blank check to make cameos.

I mean this movie is a two-header, but it's really a Harley Quinn origin movie. They could've easily called it 'Harley'. So it's only a step away from doing another villain solo.

There are also rumors that this new movie features Harvey Dent or Penguin. I'll bet they already have a Two-Face solo ready to go, just waiting for the green light of box office success from this sequel.

It's as much as a connected world as Iron Man was. It all depends on box office.

Also it's no longer really self contained. The first movie was, but now there's a sequel that's the opposite of self-contained. That's a franchise.
elgaz
elgaz - 4/30/2024, 11:00 AM
Colin Farrell's name was also thrown about at the time, I'm curious what kind of performance he could have given as Stephen Strange
String
String - 4/30/2024, 11:16 AM
Marvel Studios made the correct decision to go with Benedict Cumberbatch. I see the actor a team player and willing to play in the sandbox whenever called. Joaquin Phoenix is not that type of actor. He's very specific to how his character would be handled. He would have created the same issue Marvel Studios had with Edward Norton. Doctor Strange is too big a character in comics continuity to be limited to specific appearances in the MCU. This is similar to any big-name actor taking a role in the MCU. You are constrained and limited to using the character unless you capitulate to the actor's availability or their ego. It's the reason why I always favor Marvel going with unknowns or rising stars in casting instead of established stars.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/30/2024, 1:20 PM
Well, he did commit to Smaug and Sherlock before this. Don't think thag comes close the MCU though. And interesting to read how it got worked out in the end, with the result being Cumberbatch' Strange still being one of the coolest parts of the MCU imo
JonC
JonC - 4/30/2024, 2:10 PM
The sad thing is that the MCU should cater to all actors... and not block out some due to their style. Marvel Comics tries to cater to all people, Stan stood by this, that's why the heroes and villains are so varied and it really pisses off some Aryan focused fanboys. The MCU should have catered to Joaquin, or any other actors, and not specifically for Strange but for any role. That is what will ultimately give the MCU breadth and not seem so cookie cutter and formulaic.

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