2013 CBM FightClub THURSDAY SUPERBATTLE CCCLII (352)

1. I voted for Wolverine-I will ALWAYS vote against people like that, I mean I don't mind Star Wars or Lord of the Rings every now and then... But Matrix? Supernatural? Heroes? Mangas... It's starting get ridiculous...

2. I voted for Nick Fury-The way I see it, Furt could take Widow so I could see him taking Snake Eyes.

3. I voted for Invisible Woman-her force fields have held back Hulk and Thing, so they can defintely hold back WW. And with prep, she's married to Reed Richards... So that boosts the odds in her favor.

I'm still going with Yoda in the mixed nuts...

no dude id say nick furys like james bond level, hes not on bats level, one on one bane would beat fury no problem

#1: If we have to deal with any Heroes character in these fights I'd rather see Peter Petrelli at his peak, he would kick some ass he would kick some ass - or at least Syler.

That said: Hiro would take this. And this is not as hypothetical as it may seem since Hiro has fought someone with an even more advanced healing factor than Logan's, Adam. He beat him by teleporting him into someone else's coffin buried in a grave. Other than Adam Wolvie could get out of it by using his claws but then Hiro would have already won.

#2: Not sure on this one

#3: Wonder Woman takes this. Yesterday someone came up with a stat that Sue's force fields could withstand 100 tons. As Diana can go toe to toe with Superman she definitely can deliver more than 100 tons. And I don't think this Sue can contact her husband Reed Richards for some prep is how this prep time thing is meant to work. As I said before when someone came up with a similar argument that War Machine would contact Tony Stark for some prep, I think the fighters have to do the prep on their own. Otherwise we could always come up with the argument that any character could contact any other character of his universe for some prep. So in this case WW could contact Batman for some prep or could borough a Green Lantern ring or what so ever. See where this kind of argument takes us? So, no Sue could not contact Reed for some prep and would have to do the prep herself as every other character has to, too. So still WW for the win.

Back to the Bane vs Fury thing, it's still Fury no contest. In comics, Bane didn't really use guns ( unlike his film counterpart), on top of that I don't think anyone is capable of out strategizing Fury. Fury is also capable of holding against Cap in a h2h fight, which means that he can easily hold against Bane and unlike Batman, Fury isn't a pussy and would have no problem hitting Bane with a bullet to the head.

@Spidey
I didn't say he was a better fighter than Bats, but I said that he's on the same level as far as overall skill and strategy.

Fenix122I was just speaking generally and not referring specifically to you. Sorry if I wasn't more clear.

@LoudLon

Major flaws with your logic.
1)Hero vs Hero most tend to hold back unles there fighting a stronger or more durable opponent.

2)Invisible Woman was willing to kill Dr.Doom a guy who tormented them for years and is well deserving of her wrath.Killing a person who is willing to kill you is a survival instinct not a killer instinct.

3)Sue constructs are invisible even to her and require alot of concentration for the astronomical levels.Wonder Woman could knock her out before she even thought to put up a force feild let alone concentrate on one.

4)Diana killed Maxwell Lord to stop him from controlling Superman.So She too demonstrated a willingness to kill.Wouldn't Wonder Woman kill her before Sue could kill her.Diana can move at mach 5 that's faster then the human brian can think to do anything let alone put up a force feild.

5)Wonder Woman has enhance senses including sense of smell.If Sue goes invisible she would just smell her scent.

There years of history stating why both of these fighters can take each other.Sue's no light weight but Diana's strength and speed makes this a pretty difficult fight for Sue.

A note: there have been a few appearances where WW has been in a vacuum and survived, but those are far in the minority. More often than not, she's shown needing an apparatus to breathe in a vacuum.

@LoudLon

Have you ever read anything DC YOUR LOGIC is FLAWED.Seriously Wonder Woman has been shown continously being able to keep up with the Flash and she is Stronger then Heracules who Superman barely surpasses.Yet Sue needs to concentrate to use her power would an experince fighter like Wonder Woman would give her the chance to.Plus she feel a psionic punch every time someone like Thing or Hulk hits her sheilds.Also Invisible Woman is capable of fight at 25 miles per hour using her constructs but have to rest after 4 hours.Wonder Woman's body doesn't produce laxtic acids so her muscles well never tire.While whether she needs oxygen is totally debatible she has been shown to be able to hold her breath for long periods of time.

Now I'm not saying Wonder Woman would definetly and Invisible Woman would lose,but it's more even then your FLAWED LOGIC would lead you to believe.

HIRO NAKAMURA vs WOLVERINE: That's just cruel. Poor Hiro.

Snake Eyes. Not by a huge amount, but yeah, Snake Eyes.

Interesting. I can see either winning. But WW is the whole package. Strong. Durable. And incredibly skilled as a warrior. We can't just dangle everyone 100 feet away with an invisble force helmet sufficating them.I think WW would come up with SOMETHING to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

^^^ I got snappy, too. I take it personally when someone calls my logic flawed, considering from the first day I started participating in Fight Club I've always voted objectively (not much point to it if you don't) and will not vote in a fight which features a character I have no working knowledge of. I grew up on both Marvel and DC; I prefer Marvel characters because they tend to be written more consistently, but I love both companies equally so I'm not allegiant to one or the other, and am roughly equally knowledgable in both. And based on the many...many Wonder Woman comics I've read, both solo adventures and while part of a team, I would not put her at near the speed of Flash or the strength of Superman. She's been occasionally shown to be both, but more often than not isn't even close even close to either.

So the only way I can see to be fair to DC characters is to average out the character between the weakest level they've been shown and the most powerful level they've been shown. It's very difficult to do with DC characters because just about every one of them, ESPECIALLY the "marquee" DC characters (Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, all the greats and dozens of others) have been wildly inconsistent almost since their very inceptions. You're talking in some cases upwards of 70s years worth of "sometimes they're strong enough to break a planet, sometimes they're only strong enough to lift a car." About the only thing you CAN do if you want to be completely fair and objective is aim for the middle in many of their cases, and that's what I did with WW, and that's the logic I applied to this fight.

Based on the many different incarnations of WW over the years, she roughly averages out to be around Thing- or Wonder-Man-level in strength (to draw a clear Marvel character comparison) and only fast enough to block bullets with her wristbands. That's very strong, but not close to Superman-level, and very fast, but nowhere near Flash-level. That's about as close to an iconic version of that character I can imagine (again, based on averages) and that Wonder Woman would get her ass handed to her in a suitcase by Sue Richards.