Batman and Robin - Possibilities and probabilities, factoring in the Seven Essential Deadly Sins and Virtues of CBMs.

Batman and Robin - Possibilities and probabilities, factoring in the Seven Essential Deadly Sins and Virtues of CBMs.

We all know that they will reboot Batman, at least until it stops being profitable. Introducing Robin would create a fresh take on an existing property and help solve some of the problems of previous films.

Editorial Opinion
By misterm - Aug 15, 2012 08:08 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic

The idea came to me, like all great ideas. In the bathroom. A shared DC universe in film. The flaws of "The Dark Knight Rises." How to make a Batman movie that feels new and fresh, sticks to the core of the characters and the universe, and still make it accessible to the non-fan.

Holy afterthought Batman! What about a Batman and Robin movie!?!?!

I know, I know. Batman is gay, peter pan boots, yada, yada, yada. I've been kicking this around for a few days and I think it could be done well. Let me tell you why.

After reading Tainted87's outstanding article "The Seven Essential Deadly Sins and Virtues of CBMs," (and you really, really do need to check it out - http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/DanMiller/news/?a=65607) it occurred to me to use some of the points he made in reference to a Batman and Robin movie, how some these concepts can be used well, and things that should be avoided.



Origins - The end of the beginnings

We know the origin of Batman. My mother knows the origin of Batman. Monks who have taken a vow of silence in Tibet, know the origin of Batman. Do we really need another origin story? Not just for Batman, for any CBM for that matter? These properties have over 50 years of history, a history rich with characters, locales, villains, and personalities. In that entire history, why do we keep telling the same stories over and over? If we are going to tell an origin story for our hypothetical film, let's tell the origin of Robin. This serves a two fold purpose.

1. It allows the Batman to remain as something of a myth. Remember, Batman is supposed to be this larger than life, urban legend. The boogeyman for criminals in this cesspool of a city. Not rehashing his origin again will allow him to be somewhat shrouded in mystery to the audience and the other characters in the film. It could also be used to keep the Batman persona and the Bruce Wayne persona separate, making for some interesting suspense.

2. Telling the origin for Robin, this young, 15-16 year old kid, who loses everything, allows our film to develop on an emotional level, without forcing that onto the Batman character. Nobody likes mopey Batman. Which brings me to my second point.





The Human Connection and THE END of the Love Interest - In praise of Richard Grayson and Leslie Thompkins.


Directors love for their heroes to have a love interest. It gives the hero motivation, someone to protect, and gives them the opportunity to share a softer side of the hero with the audience. This is fine for most CBM's. Peter Parker needs his MJ or Gwen, Clark needs his Lois. I get it, but giving Batman a love interest in the movies has always seemed contrived. Batman is a tragic figure. He's never going to get the girl and retire to the country. I've mentioned this in other articles, but Batman does not quit or retire. He's obsessed with being Batman.



So, instead of romantic love, what if we focus our hypothetical movie on paternal love? We introduce a young Richard Grayson, an acrobat and martial artist with a loving family of circus performers visiting Gotham. We see the relationship between father, mother and son, as they teach, guide, and protect. We see tragedy befall this child and the need to do something, anything, to make this right. We see the relationship between Bruce Wayne and Leslie Thompkins as they try to help this boy who has lost everything. We see the father and son relationship between Batman and Robin, the mentoring and guidance, to keep this driven young man from being consumed by the darkness that Batman is so engulfed by.



Sharing the Universe - Batman doesn't have friends

The last point that I want to make is (and honestly, I'm not a writer. I'm tired of writing, so let's just argue about it in the comments,) that Batman is not a trusting person, but Dick Grayson is. Our youthful adventurer will not only be the foil for exposition, but the eyes of the viewer who can see the DC universe unfold on the big screen. Batman would not be excited about meeting Superman, but Robin would. Robin would blush meeting Wonder Woman, make jokes with the Flash (Wally, not Barry), and tease Green Lantern (heh, rube). Introducing Robin into the Batman franchise allows for both characters to grow onscreen, without relying on the contrived and boring storytelling we've seen in the past.



So in summation, here is the quick list for a good Batman and Robin movie.

1. Grayson needs to be young enough to need a father figure but mature enough to be taken seriously. (Think Harry Potter.)Don't make him oblivious. He should already suspect that Bruce is Batman, but he is focused on finding Zucco.

2. Use the parallel of their shared tragedies as emotional development, but only in relationship to their secret identities. Bruce wants to protect him , while Batman wants to avenge him.

3. Keep Batman mythic for the first half and separate from Bruce Wayne. Eyes and ears shrouded in shadow. A silhouette that drops down from the darkness.

4. Use the Tim Drake outfit. You can use the peter pan outfit as part of the circus costume, but the Tim Drake costume will translate better to the screen

So be honest...Think it would work? Would you go see it? Tell me your thoughts!
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GOTG
GOTG - 8/15/2012, 8:49 PM
I agree with everything you have to say but sadly i fear a true batman and robin movie with robin being a child will never be made due to the time it takes to film and produce these movies, the negative impact of batman and robin the movie and the adam west tv show and the fact that there arent any good child actors around, e.g. avatr the last airbender and karate kid actors, and i know you could argue that the you could just change the character and use a new robin for the next film but that would be too confusing for audiences, the only way i see it happening is if dc shoot all their films back to back under one studio in the space of say 3-5 years until the first jla movie or else robin will have become nightwing by the time jla arrives ;) great editorial btw, p.s im first =D
misterm
misterm - 8/15/2012, 8:57 PM
Big ups to being FIRST!!!!
SteveBosell
SteveBosell - 8/16/2012, 12:48 AM
I totally agree! Infact, being a good father figure could be Bruce Wayne's obsession, just as stopping crime is Batman's obsession. We could see a Dick Grayson/Robin origin in the Batman reboot. I'd also like to see Jason Todd, Barbara Gordon or Cassandra Cain, and Tim Drake a part of this new rebooted Batman franchise over the course of several films.
kong
kong - 8/16/2012, 4:25 AM
Dick Grayson and the youngest should be 14 and quit being Robin at 18, go to college study Law then go to Bludhaven and become Nightwing. 1 year after he quits Jason Todd shows up and his Robin for 2 years until he's killed. Finally after 3 years Batman gets Tim Drake and after 4 years Damian shows up! That's how i want the robins to appear in the movies. When i say four years i mean story wise not in real life. They can just say for years are up in the movie when in real life its been 2.
dezdigi
dezdigi - 8/16/2012, 1:03 PM
I like this editorial and I'd love to see that story on screen. I think the wider audience needs to see a Robin story done well.
Tainted87
Tainted87 - 8/16/2012, 3:46 PM
This man gets it, and I'm not just saying so because you cited me ;)

The thing about Nolan's Bat series is that although the director has said that Robin just would never work in his movies (talk about closed-minded...), "the Batman" does so very much enjoy working with people, and considering how fast he was to trust Selina, why wouldn't Robin have worked?

But yeah, Robin has always been a great foil for Batman, and it would make for a terrific dynamic if the two had an on-screen presence similar to, say, Rorschach and Nite Owl, or Mike and Michael Sullivan from Road to Perdition. Robin would also provide an excellent audience insertion for those who somehow aren't that knowledgeable about Batman.
misterm
misterm - 8/16/2012, 4:22 PM
I'm glad you guys are digging the idea! Thanks dezdigi! RedHood13 and Marxman12, I'd love to see a long sequel with all of the Bat-Family, but I don't think any of us should our breath on that. Tainted87, I was thinking the same thing about "Road to Perdition" and also "The Road."

Introducing a real Robin character can give the Batman franchise some real depth and emotional range, if its' handled right. Think about this...

Dick has just been trying to find Zucco to make him pay for the murder of his parents. He's beating the crap out some guy he thinks can point him to Zucco and is stopped by The Batman. He's screaming and crying and begging and Bruce takes the mask off and hugs him, and begins to tell him his story. Emotion, pathos, and no long origin movie! WIN!
megabatfan
megabatfan - 8/16/2012, 4:26 PM
Well since Hollywood likes to take creative licenses & alot of people seem to not care.. (I'm talking about you Robin John Blake)

They could bring in Dick Grayson & turn him straight into Nightwing. Skip Robin... I like the idea of him hunting his parents killers on his own, so there is a need for Batman to work with him...channel his rage & train him properly... So Nightwing would be his on/off sidekick. & Nightwing seems to be more popular here than Robin in anycase (I never got that though).

The actual First Robin should be Jason Todd in a sequel. This should use the Death In The Family storyline, so this actor would only be used once. The story would have a very serious tone so we should not have to worry about any campiness of the character.
-The most "Robin-centric" movie, but yet still not being like Batman & Robin.

The third movie (or whatever sequel they would like to introduce the character) would use Tim Drake. & this approach should be like Batman Forever, where Robin in costume actually shows up in the climax of the movie.

So for all the Robin haters out there, you could have:
Pt 1. Dick Grayson going straight to Nightwing (no Robin)
Pt 2. A Jason Todd Robin, but the story would be serious enough to avoid making the character into what he was in Batman & Robin (whiny & bratty)
Pt 3. Tim Drake Robin, but at the end of the movie.
redsonjustin
redsonjustin - 8/18/2012, 4:21 PM
Thumbs up. Nice work.
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