Fantastic Four Reboot Fan-Cast *UPDATED WITH PLOT IDEAS AND MINI SCRIPT*

Fantastic Four Reboot Fan-Cast *UPDATED WITH PLOT IDEAS AND MINI SCRIPT*

By BigeBigzWells - Aug 01, 2012 11:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic

With a reboot of the Fantastic Four on the way, I felt the need to want to share my personal fan-cast of this series. I have a few plot ideas going around my head, but nothing major. In my fan-cast you will see the more familiar characters and no major villains, mainly because I am not familiar with F4 and suitable villains in a movie besides Doctor Doom. Before I share my fan-cast I want to share some of my ideas:

-A new younger cast (with the exception of Ben Grimm and Victor Von Doom)

-Instead of them getting their powers right away, I want the powers to develop during the course of the movie, specifically Doom.

-I don't want Doom to be the main villain. I want the movie to foreshadow what he becomes, but I don't want him to become the first MAIN villain for them. I would like the first movie and some of the second to expand on how powerful and evil he truly is.

-As stated earlier, I can't think of a good MAIN villain for this first movie, so maybe something along the lines of, a Skrull (or Chitauri if they link this in the MCU) finds away on the spacecraft and follows our heroes and Doom back to Earth where it causes havoc.

-No love interest for Ben in this film. I think it would be good for this film if he experiences loss and tragedy and at the end of the film finally comes to his senses and feels comfortable in his new form yet still a little hostile. I think this would be great character development instead of just jumping into OHHH NO IM HIDEOUS BUT NOW I HAVE A GF SO ITS BETTER! like the original.

-Stuff that happens early on in the film comes back later on and in other movies.

-Connected to the MCU. [Nobody in Avengers besides Nick Fury is seen]

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Intro to movie:
A man who appears to be a doctor is working very hard in a high-tech lab and receives a phone call from his children, Susan and Johnny who are wondering when he will be home. The man who is revealed to be Franklin Storm reassures them he will see them soon but gets off the phone in a hurry. The man scattering around runs to an operating table and lifts up the sheet and it appears to be some weird alien creature (which happens to be a Skrull which we would find out later) that seems to be dead. While operating with others on this creature, it starts to mutate and starts causing carnage all over, evidently killing Franklin Storm. Men with guns run into the room (one of them being a young Nick Fury confirming it takes place in the MCU) attempt to take out the creature (which escapes) and tells them the situation is worse than it appears.

Years later (roughly 3-4 months after The Avengers takes place) two men walk down the street discussing stuff. Both men are introduced to be Reed Richards and Ben Grimm. Although the streets and environment around them is still messed up from the Chitauri invasion, Reed looks up at Stark Industries proclaiming he would love to meet Tony Stark one day as he is his idol (this could play good into a Civil War movie if they ever make one!). The two men walk into a workplace building.

We now see a young man being yelled at a young woman in public about getting his act together. These two are revealed to be Susan and Johnny Storm. Susan is revealed to be a co-worker of Reed (who she looks up to, but he has a slight crush on. It is also revealed she wanted to go into a similar line of work as her father who mysteriously died.). Susan is revealed to be also very smart but nowhere near Reeds intellect. We meet another man by the name of Victor Von Doom owner of this building and discuss to Reed, Susan, and Ben (who we learn is a NASA Space Pilot who used to work with Reeds dad until he died and Ben took over as a father figure) about a new 'space expedition into worlds unknown'. This is to further see the mysteries of the galaxy after the Chitauri invasion.

*Plot moves on from there with Johnny joining the space expedition, shit hits the fan, they get affected by cosmic blasts but then....*

While the ship which is being affected by these cosmic blasts and Ben who is trying to fly out of the course of the Cosmic Rays, a mysterious creature (Skrull) hides somewhere on the ship and travels back to Earth with the crew.

*Get back to Earth, show realizations of powers, the evolution of the powers, and Dooms transformation into his future self, but not totally there yet.*

Towards the end of the film the creature that was seen earlier is causing carnage all over the city and it is showing off powers similar to the F4. F4 ban together to defeat this creature which proves to be difficult since as a team they are somewhat dysfunctional but Reed steps up as a leader (almost in a CA-esque way in the Avengers when he gives orders) to defeat this creature.

*Final battle, obviously they defeat it or this was a worthless reboot if they die, a little bit more story stuff involving the 4 coming to the realization the great things they can do together and call themselves the Fantastic Four...BOOM END CREDITS*

AFTER end credits we see Reed doing some scientific stuff. Susan walks in somewhat shaken and tells Reed they have a visitor. It is revealed to be Nick Fury and it ends there.




Thank you for reading that shitty script (which I know sucked trust me).

Now here are my choices:


Reed Richards is suitably younger than he usually is. To get the real feel of a genius, like Reed is, I wanted someone believable for the part and make it seem he finished school and college very early on. Reed is supposed to be a leader and I think my choice is well reflected. For this I casted 32 year old, Michael Gray Gubler. In the show Criminal Minds he plays a genius...who's name also happens to be Reed! I think this new take on a younger version of F4 will be a more realistic version.



Sue Storm is a headstrong woman who kicks a lot of ass...and that's even before she got powers. I wanted someone who is beautiful, great acting, and a realistic feel to the character. I chose Yvonne Strahovski to play as Sue Storm. Just like Sue she is the definition of a strong female. If you have seen the show, Chuck, you know she has it in her to display great acting and the skill set to kick some ass!



Johnny Storm is the hot-headed, attention seeking, good looking hero. Although these characteristics may seem selfish and more of a villain, he is still 100% good and true to those he cares about. He has an adventurous side and the actor I chose definitely has all these attributes. I chose Garrett Hedlund to play as our beloved hero HUMAN TORCH! I think he would be a great actor to play the role.



In this reboot I think it would be good to have Ben Grimm as more of a father figure AND best friend figure to Reed instead of just the best friend route. I think this would give more of a strong feeling of compassion towards each other and a new route that hasn't been explored before. I think this new version of the Thing should be motion capture/ CGI and voiced by the actor just like the Hulk in the Avengers. This would be able to give the character more detail and physical features to show off. I chose Jeffery Dean Morgan to play this role because he is compassionate and caring and has that father like figure to someone that I think Ben should have not just to Reed but Susan and Johnny as well!



Although in the comics Victor Von Doom is supposed to be roughly the same age as Reed to make them extreme adversaries, but I think it would be an interesting take to see an age difference between the two to show the jealousy of Victor towards Reeds' genius skill set, and show Reeds' jealousy towards Victor of his wealth and looks. For this role I chose Billy Crudup to play as Victor because I think he could give a worthy performance of someone fearful YET charismatic all at the same time. I think it would be an interesting feel to see how Billy plays with Matthew since both their characters have a hatred yet jealousy towards each other and I think it would be cool to see how they can act that out.



How do you feel about my interpretation on this new take of the Fantastic Four and the cast I chose? Please share below!
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soundwave129
soundwave129 - 8/1/2012, 12:27 PM
Pretty great cast!
AutobotCommander84
AutobotCommander84 - 8/1/2012, 12:28 PM
I'm probably one of the few that likes the Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes cartoon from MoonScoop.
BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/1/2012, 12:45 PM
@soundwave129
Thank you so much!

@AutobotCommander84
I loved that show actually! That's another reason why I used Reed and Johnny as those pictures because they somewhat resemble who I want to play them.
BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/1/2012, 1:02 PM
@nowtheresaBATman
Thank you so much man! That's really nice!
Advocate
Advocate - 8/1/2012, 1:15 PM
I think you may be on to something here. A lot of talk I've heard in the past is to skip the origination of their powers and get into the nitty gritty Fantastic Four team, but the idea of slowing the process down intrigues me. If anything I feel the villain should still be monumental, maybe even more severe than Doom, but like their powers it's something they struggle to comprehend and ultimately make out as best they can in the end. Perhaps not someone too powerful, but the reason I bring this up is because it may allow allusion to not only a MCU, but also a larger FF mythology that I feel should be explored.

I really like your idea of having a younger cast. And while I assumed Reed and Victor would be similar in age, maybe that doesn't have to be? Maybe they can still be rivals, having been classmates, etc. But the differences between them cause Reed to be invested in the pursuit of science and Victor to be jealous of Reed's potential and accomplishments. Having Grimm as a father/best friend figure is an interestingly great thought. It would really flesh out Grimm as I feel the past films had him as a supporting role instead of a main characters (although I know that wasn't the intention).

As for the casting choices, I really like your pick for Reed. I didn't even have to read your explanation to understand why. The others are good as well, but the only one I'm iffy about is Jeffrey Dean Morgan. I'm sure he could pull of the role, and I wouldn't be appalled to see him on screen, but I feel someone more suitable to the Grimm role could work. Morgan could sell the fatherly/best friend role, but I don't know about him questioning his ability and coping with it throughout an entire film. Honestly, he seems a little too badass in nature to work a good struggle like that. I wish I had a better idea of who to pick for Grimm, but all I can say is whoever it is should be understandable as the troubled Grimm.

Great job overall though!
TheSoulEater
TheSoulEater - 8/1/2012, 1:18 PM
Decent!
BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/1/2012, 1:49 PM
@Advocate
Thank you for such the insightful feedback! It really means a lot that my ideas are being noticed and bring good ideas to the table. I feel the hardest one TO portray is Ben because you need an actor who can maintain that acting ability to stay upset in an event that he faced as his body is just a new life form basically. He's truly the one that IS two characters in one. I felt JDM could portray that pretty well.

@TheSoulEater
Thank you very much!
Advocate
Advocate - 8/1/2012, 2:19 PM
@BigeBigz JDM could probably pull it off, like I said, and for now he's the best pick I'd side with for the role. Perhaps more people can also bring some thought to the table because quite honestly, not many people do.

I hope others recognize this fancast idea as a successful, although still vague, way of rebooting a franchise. And I think that's the key to Fantastic Four. Not that there isn't a lot of material to work with, but so much of their universe coincides with Marvel at large so it kind of makes sense to slow down the process. Focus on the team. Really work the origin story of a tightly-woven 4 person team (5 if you count Grimm's duality).

I've read other fancasts on here that did offer a great contribution to the creativity behind comic books, but this take is by far the most refreshing I've reviewed. If only this idea had more leverage in Hollywood...
BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/1/2012, 2:42 PM
@Advocate
Once again thank you so much on the kind words, especially in your last few sentences. I have had a few more ideas running around in my head that I would like to update my article on. When I am done typing up the rest of my plot ideas, I will try to contact you so you can check it out.
BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/1/2012, 2:44 PM
@PowerProphet
Thank you very much. I have noting against Patrick Wilson, but everyone and their mother SEEMS to be choosing him for Reed. He's a fine actor but I think he is a tad to old for the part.
BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/1/2012, 3:38 PM
Alright everybody, I updated the article to include a Mini-Script of the story. IMO I think it sucks so I won't be hurt if any of you's say it is bad. I wrote it pretty quick and I am sure if I took my time it wouldn't be as bad...Still better than Green Lantern though...
breakneckbeck
breakneckbeck - 8/1/2012, 3:46 PM
Hmmm I'm not sure about your Mr. Fantastic pic, It might be brilliant, might be awful, Im not sure which. Right now Im leaning toward brilliant, creative to say the least

The rest of the cast is great too

BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/1/2012, 3:53 PM
@brokentoejoe
Thank you very much man! I have a feeling if they did choose that actor for Reed, he would shock a lot of people...IN A GOOD WAY!
CaptainAmerica31
CaptainAmerica31 - 8/1/2012, 4:18 PM
Great cast dude
BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/1/2012, 4:26 PM
@Spidey31
Thanks again Spidey!
CyclopsWasRight
CyclopsWasRight - 8/1/2012, 6:30 PM
Interesting......Screw that, this is a brilliantly executed fan-cast!!
BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/1/2012, 6:35 PM
@TheKnightRises
THANK YOU SO MUCH!
DDD
DDD - 8/2/2012, 12:18 AM
So you're not familiar with THE FF so you make a fancast
about them?
That makes a lot of sense! (extreme sarcasm alert)

GUBLER is REALLY wrong for REED RICHARDS!
He looks younger than YVONNE STARHOVSKI!
lol

REED RICHARDS is far older than SUE STORM!
That is the dynamic, OLDER scientist with YOUNGER woman.
Sue is not much older than JOHNNY!
REED is a father figure person in the mix.
If you knew something about the real FF, you would
know that!

You can't make a younger REED when the story is
younger woman with older guy! That is the FF STORY!
Without that you have the wrong family dynamic!
You have some other family!
Without that you have the FUXED-UP FOX FF!

REED & DOOM are the same age because they went to
college together and were friends at one time.
If you make DOOM way older then that is not the FF.

I sure am sick of everybody trying to rewrite
all of the comic book characters and make them
something they aren't! Some other different
STUPID characters!

Doom is a tall scary powerful figure. He is older
just like REED. They are older scientists with older
knowledge of science. They've been out of college for
quite some time! They are older and knowledgeable.

DOOM is tall and powerful.
Billy Crudup is only 5'8". That's why I don't want
CRUDUP for REED either! No CGI to make them taller!

Do some research before you do a fancast!

GUBLER is 6'2"!

BEN is not the father figure of the FF family dynamic!
REED is! BEN is the sort of crusty UNCLE character.
You have to show BEN before he becomes the THING.
ONLY CGI is not going to cut it!

BEN is the same age as REED. That's where FOX screwed up!
CHICKLIS is 49 and GRUFFUDD is 39.

GARRETT is far too old for JOHNNY now!
And that ain't a very original choice anyway!

YVONNE is actually too old-looking for SUE now.
That's why there's no way I can endorse other people's
choices of DIANE KRUGER & CHARLIZE THERON. They
are way, WAY TOO old for SUE.

Say, doesn't anyone do research before they do
fancasts anymore?
This kind of casting is just sloppy, uninformed and
incorrect!
And please folks STOP REWRITING and changing all the
characters!

I'm sorry to have to say that too because I don't
want to have to cut down anyone's fancast!
I truly don't!
Advocate
Advocate - 8/2/2012, 3:54 AM
@DDD interesting, because didn't Fox use that family dynamic with Sue being younger than Reed, who was around the same age of Doom. Johnny was younger and while Grimm was around the same age he did represent an uncle figure.

Whether it be uncle figure or father figure the main thing is that while Reed might know a lot about science, Grimm should be the one who offers guidance. That's the dynamic for the character. How does someone with all the answers (not actually) cope with the unknown of The Thing and his abilities. It's enough torment to boggle my mind even as I type.

A younger cast would still work. Don't get me wrong, perhaps it's wise to stick to canon as strictly as age groups go. But why are Doom and Reed perceived as rivals? Does age have anything to do with it that's explicit? Or is it more status-oriented? From what I recall, it revolves around status. Therefore, you can set the two characters at equal status as if they are the same age, yet increase the dynamic with Reed being a younger fellow. Hell, you could even alter Doom's age so that the entire cast is younger, setting the Fantastic Four's story earlier on (not too much, just enough to really flesh out a story). And Sue could be sold for being younger than the already young-looking Reed in this fancast. That's not that hard.

Also, @DDD your points are well taken, but do understand the more you overuse exclamatory remarks, the less serious you become. The capitalization is one thing, and I actually appreciate that as it highlights certain points. But don't let that get to your head and start capping everything like, "FUXED-UP FOX FF." It becomes unnecessary and instead of someone taking your criticism constructively, it's overlooked and referred to as ranting.

Research should be done when doing fancasts, I'm not going to argue with that. But this fancast introduces many new elements to consider, which should be processed to their fullest extent before refuting them. I never believed the cast to be a bunch of teenagers for FF. But I could see Sue being early twenties, Johnny being younger than her (so about college-aged) with Reed being relatively older (into thirties) where Doom would be (so the age difference would be by a few years, nothing drastic, but just enough to establish Doom's jealousy for a younger man accomplishing more than him) and Grimm's age to be slightly older than Reed and Doom. Remember, he's not actually the father, just a father figure. So he doesn't have to be believably old, just perceived as wiser. At least, this is the age dynamic I saw when looking at the casting choices and knowing the FF.
Kakarot
Kakarot - 8/2/2012, 5:15 AM
Wow, this is one of the most solid 4 casts I've seen! Great work!
BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/2/2012, 5:48 AM
Advocate-1
DDD-0

Well that escalated quickly...

Anyways, @DDD, it's funny how you are taking things so seriously like you TRULY think I am a millionaire casting director with dozens of movies under my belt. I'm not. I'm a 17 year old high school senior in NYC that is suggesting an idea. You keep saying TOO OLD or TOO YOUNG. I'm 17. Can I be Johnny? At least we have the young aspect back.

@DDD, you also have to remember, THIS ISN'T THE 90's. Staying 100% true to the comics isn't relevant anymore. It's 2012, things are GOING to change, like it or not. I think that if you cast a relatively aged cast, the appeal might not be that great, except to us CBM fans because others would see 40+ aged actors (Which it seems like you are aiming for) running around in spandex. I don't want to see Red 2 yet. I'm sorry, but I don't.

With the change thing it's necessary for everything. You must've gone apeshit when
Scarrlett Johannson was cast as Black Widow. Who knew she was so young? And without that russian accent I bet suicide was on the line.

What I'm getting at is things need to change sometimes, and I think going this new route with a RELATIVELY young cast is smart because it can help relate to the characters more (on an emotional level, not like physical plain as they'd whoop our ass) and if they wanted sequels, we don't have to worry about the older actors which you want, to drop out. And remember it's a fan-cast, not the finalization with FOX.
BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/2/2012, 5:57 AM
@Advocate
Once again I send my thanks, especially now. At least you truly see what I am aiming for in this new approach. It's called a reboot for a reason. So once again, I thank you. I still feel as if a younger cast is a good approach.

And even though DDD kept mentioning age, he seems to forget that most of the cast is pretty 'old'. MGG for Reed is 31, Yvonne for Sue is 30 (WHAAAT those two are around same age), Garrett Hedlund for Johnny is 27 (WHICH can be deemed as college age if he is going for a certain major and is still slightly younger than the actress playing his sister.) and JDM for Ben is 46. He may be the oldest, but the chances of Thing being CGI is pretty high, so JDM can still provide the voice. I also did say a father-like figure to the other 3, which @Advocate helped with back up saying, Reed has the smarts, Ben has the experience.

@Kakarot
Thank you very much my friend!
Advocate
Advocate - 8/2/2012, 7:48 AM
@BigeBiz I consider it my duty to support those reasons I feel are necessary and enlightening. Having your take being the first of its kind (from my knowledge), this is my first exposure to more creative thought other than fancasts who simply copy and paste other user's and alternate one or two actors.

If at best, all fancasts are efforts to workshop ideas. I could have disagreed completely with what you brought to the table, but I would address such issues in a professional manner, in the same light I'd wish others to reflect upon my own work. We owe it to each other to improve upon our creativity and regardless of what direction it may go from there (positive or negative), the intention and consequence should be constructive. Keep working on your idea @BigeBiz and the many more to come.

I don't fully support radical changes and so, like your fancast, those changes must be subtle. Not for the sake of variation, but for the sake of elemental and complex story detail. Your idea exumes potential for this, something not generally known.

You mentioned your in NYC, friend. While I don't know your plans for post-secondary education, a lot of my academia was obtained by people who worked with or studied under creative writers and media gurus at NYU. Given your level of raw talent, I feel that could be an excellent direction for you (if you haven't already chosen to do so). However, don't let my opinion sway your perspective on life. Like every bit of feedback on this site, it is merely a suggestion.
95
95 - 8/2/2012, 10:09 AM
Bad cast. Good plot ideas.
BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/2/2012, 10:26 AM
@Advocate
Thank you so much for those last few sentences. I honestly don't know what I want to be once I go into college. I thought about a writing career, photography, and even being a cop. I truly have no idea. I always thought as a kid it would be interesting to become a 'comic book writer' to make my own ideas for a new series or make my own re imagining of our beloved heroes.

In a small way I feel like seeing what else I could do with creative writing, so I may or may not try to make a few rough draft copies of a F4 script (the story would probably jump around though with a proper opening and straight to the end to get to the point) and post it on here. Would you be interested in reading something like that?
BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/2/2012, 10:26 AM
@95
Thank you very much for your feedback 95.
95
95 - 8/2/2012, 12:07 PM
Okay. I like your Human Torch pick, but I can't imagine those actors together. Even with a good script, the chemistry would seem off. But I really like your plot ideas. Wouldn't mind a feature film going that way.
BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/2/2012, 1:02 PM
@95
Thank you for the feedback about the cast, and I understand your points, but who knows, if it does happen it may surprise you. Also, thank you very much for the kind comments about the plot ideas. I am in the process of making a fan-fic article on more ideas I have on the plot. I hope when I release it you view it.
95
95 - 8/2/2012, 1:54 PM
Yeah. I could be wrong. lol. 20th Century Fox might hire your exact cast and prove me wrong. And I'll definitely check out your future Fan Fic.
BigeBigzWells
BigeBigzWells - 8/2/2012, 2:18 PM
@95
Thank you again 95. Also, I just uploaded my Fan Fic. Please leave feedback also on it.
DDD
DDD - 8/2/2012, 2:43 PM
ADAPTAION is not rewriting.

Sue is in her late 20's, JOHNNY is in his early 20's, college.

Reed is in his mid-30's as is BEN & DOOM. That's not 40.
That is how they start out. But GUBLER is way too young-
looking and not REED RICHARDS material at all.
He plays the KID-genius sidekick on "CRIMINAL MINDS". He
is suited for that. He is not suited for REEED RICHARDS,
the leader and father/husband-figure in the FF, at all.

THING can't just be CGI. He has to be shown in human form if you are rebooting.

I capitalize CHARACTERS and important words, not everything!

I'm not ranting, just commenting.

REED is not young! It is STUPID to make him young!
It is the totally wrong family dynamic!
That is the REALISTIC FF.

Your too young REED is not a REALISTIC FF at all!

You put some fine work into this but it is inaccurate
and wrong-headed. You can't make all comic characters young!
Advocate
Advocate - 8/2/2012, 5:07 PM
@DDD The capitalization didn't bother me as much as the constant exclamation points. That's what makes your comments seem like rants. If you feel so strongly about so many statements, I suggest politics for a career choice. This is not to say I hope you do politics as I loathe individuals who make unimportant agendas seem like top priority for the general public, who is essentially just a bunch of lambs. Maybe if @BigeBigzWells was a lamb he'd subdue his thought to your judgment alone. But we are all here for one reason and that is a creative experience. We aren't supposed to read each other's work and say, "I don't know about your idea, but if it were my idea this is how I would do it." No, it's a slight variation as if to say, "I might not like the idea so much, but if I put myself in your shoes, this is where I would go next." There is no sure formula that our input is going to deter anyone from producing a major flop, nor should we hope our suggestions are certainly going to put everyone on the path to greatness. If my fanfic only sheds light so far, then give me the best damn light bulb to make it stand out. Don't undermine my work by saying, "this is how far my light would shine."

I'm stunned to hear you say adaptation is not rewriting. Sure, it's not a do-as-you-please kind of method, but rewriting happens all the time. Some times movie canon introduces new elements that are then reinforced by literature and most times it's the other way around. Take Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy for example. Other than the basics and direction, nothing was stripped from the comics in the fashion you suggest. Especially age. But I'm not going to get into a rant about the illogical conclusions of age and Batman's comic counterpart. And regardless of your opinion on how well that trilogy was (how true it was to its origin), it was a monumental success. There's even so much hype (fanboys wish it and the general public suspects it, unknowing to the fact that it's over) about Joseph Gordon Levitt taking up the mantle in a sequel. The mantle of who, I might ask? He's an amalgamation of Robin. He's completely made up. The age is off...I could go on. Point is, it really doesn't matter so long as you've got a good story.

I think it's pretty obvious that The Thing won't just be CGI given these powers will manifest over the course of the movie in correlation with the blooming on-screen relationships. So please, stop reiterating that point.

Finally, I can't begin to fully understand the magnitude of your last comment- "inaccurate and wrong-headed." As if to say, you know what is accurate and "right"-headed. If you do, then please, no longer waste this site's time with your meaningless contributions and process to Hollywood where you will clearly rise to fame and fortune almost instantaneously given your knowledge of the accuracy in movie adaptations as well as what's right for such direction.

I apologize if my rebuttal comes off as rather stark. I only mean to defend a worthy case, as all fanfic creators have. We have potential, like I said. To do what exactly, well that's what we're all here to figure out. However, one who discounts every shred of positivist approach to these kinds of things only has potential to do so. Why don't we, as civilized humans, together in this mystery of a life, help each other succeed in the capacity that is most specific to our individual characteristics. If I change all my ideas to match yours, just because you say so, then I've simply been ridden of the burden to choose for myself. But if you convince me through detail, support, etc. then I might heed your suggestion. These are basic threads to discussion and debate and often times people forget to engage such respect. That's because they don't practice it enough. And here of all places, is that place to do so.

@BigeBizWells I'm in the middle of reading your most recent article, with the mini-script and all. Probably wouldn't be able to run through an entirety of it, but so far it's giving me enough of an idea to see where the story would unfold. That's great that you don't know what you want to do. Means you don't have to limit yourself. Work on this script. Never settle for good enough. Always work harder, and maybe someday, after years of workshopping, someone might want to take a look. And all that tinkering might pay off. Even if it doesn't, the more you engage now, the greater chance you have for that metaphor to apply to any skill you acquire.
dracula
dracula - 8/2/2012, 6:35 PM
my cast changes would be
adrien brody as mr.fantastic
alice ave as invisable woman
steven moyer as dr.doom
DDD
DDD - 8/2/2012, 8:59 PM
ADVOCATE I understand that this is creativity but
FF is a family dynamic and this REED is way too young-
looking!

He's still young enough looking to play JOHNNY.
lol

I'm not trying to be offensive just honest!
Advocate
Advocate - 8/2/2012, 9:41 PM
@DDD That's understandable. Watching Criminal Minds he's always been the one I've perceived as the "new guy" on the force. But, if I recall correctly, his character went to some prestigious school early in his youth, so he's made to be younger in spite of his colleagues being older.

Anyway, the actor is young. I'll give you that, but just as we take this creativity seriously, we should consider the seriousness of the fanfic. Say this fanfic becomes the next biggest thing and warrants movie adaptation by Hollywood tomorrow. It probably wouldn't even go into production until late 2013 (at best), 2014 probably, but 2015 sounds more realistic (since there's a lot more being done than just the idea to a movie, and the working screenplay). So that's three years from now where all of the actors not only age, but undergo physical changes. Sure, the cast for Reed isn't going to age tremendously in three years, but let's just say the movie's a greenlight for 2015. And they've selected their pool of actors by early next year. That still gives Reed's choice about two years to prepare for the role. I've never seen the guy as a more rugged individual so maybe that could be a way of making his jawline look more defined as opposed to the more baby-face actor we are familiar with? Point is, there's room to suspend disbelief that the actor has time on his side to manage the role. If unknown actors can rise to stardom in less than a year, it's totally feasible for this guy to beef up his "more chiseled" character portrayals for the role of Reed. He might not have the immediate look of Reed, but he nails the nerdy guy (science included, but not limited to). If Joseph Gordon Levitt can undergo CGI facial reconstruction for Looper, to look more like a young version of Bruce Willis, once again this choice for Reed shouldn't phase you as much as it is.
DDD
DDD - 8/3/2012, 1:53 AM
ADVOCATE@ I've gone to many SCRIPTWRITING seminars,
even one put on by J. MICHAEL STRACZINSKI.
I have a college education in writing.

The first thing they teach you for adaptations is
to stick to the characters and the characters are
the chief importance! They are the people that the
audience relates with. They bring an audience into
the movie. They drive the movie!

If you change the characters completely, like making
REED RICHARDS way younger instead of older, then you
have changed the character's motivation.
You have entirely changed the story, the dynamic, what
makes them tick!

Then you change the whole idea, then you have a TOTALLY
DIFFERENT family, some other characters. They are
not the same!

It is wrong to do that to characters of a story.
It changes everything! I mean EVERYTHING!

Then you have a WHAT IF STORY instead of the ONE,
TRUE, ACTUAL STORY.
It is nothing but huge egotistical BS to destroy
the original story like that!

SINGER did that with THE X-MEN and destroyed the
dynamic of the original characters.
Then you have a little girl ROGUE (not the real
grown-up ROGUE at all.) A 6'2" giant for WOLVERINE
when he is dynamite in a small package, you have a
short CYCLOPS (5'11") who is a "DICK" instead of a
tall (6'3"), powerful, in-charge leader, CYCLOPS.
It CHANGES everything!

THE AVENGERS didn't make THOR an old midget, it didn't
make CAP a skinny Chinese man, It didn't make
BLACK WIDOW a tall thin black old lady.

THE AVENGERS were who they are in the comics, not exactly
but very close!

It's OK to slightly dink around with the characters but
turning an older father-figure scientist into a young nerd
would literally turn THE FF into some other group.
It would destroy the FF'S original dynamic with movie
audiences. It would be something else ENTIRELY!

That would be a sad outcome for such a cool SUPER-GROUP!

I am only trying to edify BIGEBIGZWELLS@ to the true
story of the FF. I'm not cutting him down, only edifying
him, informing him of the truth.

All the things I said in my first comment are correct.
Look at what I said at the end of my first comment.
I was not being harsh only truthful.
He asked me what my view was at the end of his CASTING.
I proved all my points with facts.

Sure it's wonderful to be creative but adaptation is
an adapting of another story to film. It must follow the
stories and characteristics of the characters, the
source material.

CREATIVE LICENSE is not a LICENSE TO KILL!

If the actor doesn't look like the older REED it isn't
REED.
GUBLER does not fit REED RICHARDS at all!

Even CRAPPY FOX new better than that and had an older
REED that fit REED.
DDD
DDD - 8/3/2012, 2:02 AM
I mean even GARRETT HEDLUND LOOKS/SEEMS older than GUBLER
(who plays a lot of those kid supporting characters).
That's because it's what he looks like!
Even HE said that!
lol

I don't know how to make it any plainer.
Advocate
Advocate - 8/3/2012, 10:37 AM
@DDD Then as creative license, isn't it acceptable to make a true origin story? Maybe Reed rises to the figure of more team leader (dare I say, fatherly), but how does one do such a thing? These are very humanistic qualities that instead of watching develop you want to transplant from the comics. That's great. We could all make complete copies of the comics and they'd be great. But who's to say this interpretation wouldn't work well? You? You said it yourself, the characters are who the audience relate to (something I'm aware of, seeing as how I'm mainly defending the essence of character here). Do you think your neighborhood runt (who may not be old enough to venture to comic book stores), and believe me I know more than a few of these kids, are going to care that Reed isn't a father figure? No, they're going to be ecstatic to see a freakin superhero on film. And in spite of your knowledge of comics, most people don't read comics (sad to say, but true). As long as you make Reed's character believable, you can develop him as much as the next relatable character in a franchise. And guess what? People will relate, because you brought to the screen a very real person. No one is born with leadership. While we could all have potential, we have to embrace opportunities to prove our worth. That's the first lesson in leadership training (I wasn't aware we were going this route, but yes, for four years I've worked giving leadership training to those potential souls). I've also studied the nature of humans, systems, psychological tendencies, everything there is to know about how people, regardless of who they may be, act in any situation. That's my certifications in cognitive study and degrees in sociological happenings. As for your disclaimer that you took writing classes from whoever you care to name drop, I've taught writing classes, and learned from the same people who helped me teach these classes. I've taken lesson from people of the same caliber. And no, I wasn't the only student in the class. But yes, there were many students in the class who didn't heed the lessons of the professors. I recall a man in the class, who was supposed to write a screenplay of his choosing. He picked one based on X-Men (this was before First Class) and in doing so, he wrote what he knew, what he researched. The professor and I analyzed his script. Do you know what the first question we asked was? Why? Why did the characters do what they do? And do you know what he said? Because that's the way it was in the comics. The professor then went on into an impromptu lesson about research. Research, my friend, is only half the journey. To truly open up a vivid world of character and sensory detail you have to have your research, yes. But you also have to have creativity. Why do you need creativity? So you can bring that research to life, to give everything not explicitly addressed in that research meaning. It has to be meaningful. And you can argue all you want, but no family psychologist is going to say that the family dynamic being sought after in this fanfic is in any way less than the family dynamic of the original FF. Families, while different, operate on a systematic basis. People, as individualistic as can be, operate systematically within a group. Have faith that the characters here will become the ones in the comics, sooner or later. Just not now.
Tovonne
Tovonne - 9/20/2012, 11:38 AM
I like all the actors above to play the characters in the reboot movie and there should be action figure and vehicle toys in 2013.
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