My One Major Gripe With Man of Steel

My One Major Gripe With Man of Steel

The movie was good, but it could have been great.

Editorial Opinion
By Havenless - Oct 31, 2013 06:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Fan Fic
Source: Me.

I believe that any story within reason, any plot, or any idea can work and be successful in a movie. It may require some very clever writers and a great director, but you can take a homeless man bathing in pig vomit and turn that into Oscars. Obviously that's an extreme example, and the writes have their work cut out for them, but that's the beauty of art: the perception of something can be altered favorably by the gifted.

I bring this up, because I'm okay with most of the inherent flaws in this movie. It has limited character interaction and development. But that's okay, but because it's more plot driven for the first 2/3. Not a lot of humor, but it managed to avoid the dull spells without it. The common 'love story' element was missing for most of the film, then suddenly rushed to climax, but it wasn't intended to be the major aspect previous Superman movies had it as. Again, out of context these are summer blockbuster faux pas's, but with creative talent, it can work. And it did.

So what could have brought it down a notch for me? It's human nature to overrate drama. I mean this in a positive light. When it's a close football game, people tend to think that the last 2 minutes decided it, when in fact any moment in the second or third quarter had equal impact on the outcome. Yet, watching a QB drive down a field and score, or perhaps fail miserably (TONY ROMO), makes for fantastic television. An average team playing an inept team, and then running out the clock for the last quarter and a half isn't memorable, even if the rest of the game was. You'll most remember the games where you were excited right up until the clock runs out.

Inherently, movies are similar. A really great movie with a sour or unfulfilling ending can leave a bad taste in your mouth. Imagine if the last 5 minutes of Prometheus explained in detail why the Engineers made humanity, and why they then wanted to destroy them? A lot of people would stop complaining. You rarely see people upset with what happened in the first 75% of that film, because it was mostly good. But because the last few scenes they saw were sour, it alters the entire film. If the beginning was bad, you could get over it. If the middle was slow, you at least had the high octane ending to look forward to.
How many people here had a problem with stuff that happened in the first hour and a half of Iron Man 3? Some overused humor? Too Kiss Kiss Bang Bang? Okay, but it was still an entertaining movie. 1 twist with the main villain deletes 90 minutes of fun cinema. Those other scenes still happened. They were still good. But it doesn't matter, because you didn't like the ending. And now that movie only receives ire.

And then, Man of Steel. One of the most compelling, most dramatic plotlines for a movie like this is despair. How can the hero defeat the undeniable odds of inevitability? Whether it's a crazy 8-appendaged scientist making a star inside the New York city limits, or a muscle-bound henchman toting a nuclear bomb around the middle of Gotham City. If the hero doesn't stop him, all hope is lost. We NEED them to win. And often times, it will be ugly. You know they'll come out on top, but it's the journey you paid to see, how many bumps and bruises they get before they do it. Spider-Man saving the train. Batman getting out of the prison. These are great scenes because the heroes are weak and had to overcome their weaknesses. Man of Steel absolutely had this. He valiantly destroyed the World Engine, came up with an elaborate plan to send the Kryptonian ship into the Negative Zone, and save everyone on Earth. The only problem was... that wasn't the big finale. The drama was over, but the movie kept going.

What's the 'Why'? That's what this all comes down to. Why? Why were they fighting in the middle of Metropolis? Why did Superman and Zod end up killing nearly as many people as the terraforming itself (conjecture)? So why do the end up bar brawling for the last 10 minutes of the film? Zod says, "I'll never stop!" or something to that effect, and then he lunges at Superman. He doesn't actually openly attack any civilians until Superman puts him in a choke hold, and even then it was only to teach Kal-El a lesson. So it's obviously his anger was directed at Superman. "Why didn't Superman lead him out of the city?" You hear this a hundred times, and because Zod was only focused on Kal, it makes sense. But that's not even why I'm writing this.

Again, what's the reason he's attacking Kal? To kill him? Get vengeance? And then what? His ship is gone. There was no proof Kryptonians can survive in outer space, as Kal was out there for, at best, a few seconds. So Zod is stuck on Earth. What if he kills Kal? Does he just go around the planet punching 6 billion people until he's killed everyone? Remember, his objective wasn't to end humanity, it was to start New Krypton. Humanity's end was simply a byproduct of this. He was a born military commander, he reminded us of this many times. His goal in life was not solely a psychopathic murderer, that's what made him such a great villain, he was sympathetic. If he killed Superman, it would have made zero sense for him to just start raging on humanity, there is no goal in that. The only real thing he could do would be to knock up as many women as he can, and recreate the Kryptonian race that way. But with how they outlawed natural birth, I don't even think that was an option.

Ultimately, this is another one of 'those' posts. They probably killed more people with their roid rage grudge match in the middle of Metropolis than Zod would have if he killed Superman. Obviously, keeping Superman around would save more lives in the future, but it ended the movie on a downer for me. I understand tying up the Zod loose end, but it really felt like they just wanted to spend a lot of CGI money on needless exposition. I don't mind Superman killing, and I don't mind a 'kill 1,000 to save 1,000,000' approach, as long as it's written well. But I just didn't get the point to destroying more of Metropolis after the big win. To show him punching to appease fans? It was on pace to be a great 8/10, staple comic book movie, but ended up as a 7/10. Still fun at the cinema, but not the cream of the crop.

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Prime
Prime - 10/31/2013, 7:00 PM
Fight was only like 4 to 5 minutes, not 10.
Prime
Prime - 10/31/2013, 7:02 PM
Oh and most people where killed by the Black Zero, not Zod vs Superman fight.
Havenless
Havenless - 10/31/2013, 7:05 PM
@Prime how many people did you distinctly see the Black Zero kill? Because I saw buildings with people in the windows before they toppled.
Prime
Prime - 10/31/2013, 7:13 PM
@ Hevenless ...everyone in the area.
SauronsBANE
SauronsBANE - 10/31/2013, 7:16 PM
@Havenless, I actually really get what your saying. This sounds sort of like what happened in Star Trek Into Darkness as well...Khan's ship the Vengeance and Enterprise get into a shootout, Enterprise wins, both are trapped in Earth's gravity well, and the Enterprise barely survives. That's the climax, right? Nope, have to have one more pointless chase between Khan and Spock.

I personally didn't mind this in Man of Steel that much (the reason for the epic fight is because Zod literally lost his purpose for life. Kal-el destroyed any hope for rebuilding the Kryptonian race, so Zod snapped and really had no endgame. He probably would've killed Kal-el, maybe kill a bunch more humans, then probably commit suicide or something. I thought that was a pretty realistic depiction of what someone in his place would really do, to a lesser extent of course), but I can see how it can be a little anticlimactic and unnecessary.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Snyder put that last fight in there simply because scenes of Metropolis in complete ruins would look so cool. My biggest gripe with the movie is that it seemed Snyder just wanted to make a disaster movie, and it just so happened to include Superman in it.
Havenless
Havenless - 10/31/2013, 7:20 PM
@prime

We only saw 4 or 5 characters in the area that were in trouble (The Daily Planet staff), and the turned out all fine. I'm sure lots of people died, but like my building theory, it's all conjecture. No one has real numbers unless Snyder makes something up.

Even if the Black Zero hit a larger area, it means little. Open streets, parks, and parking lots don't have the population density of a skyscraper. And I don't remember seeing it take out skyscrapers like Zod did.
Havenless
Havenless - 10/31/2013, 7:23 PM
@SauronsBANE1

Good points, but that further lends itself to the 'lead him out of the city' argument. It was obvious Zod was gunning for Superman, he didn't need to stay in the city to keep the villain's attention.

It simply came off that Superman didn't care what was happening around him, when he spent the entire first 3/4 of the movie caring so much. Why does this need to endcap the movie?
Prime
Prime - 10/31/2013, 7:29 PM
@ Hevenless we assume that a lot of people die, but it hardly Supes fault. This isn't All Star Superman. And as for not taking it out of the city, logic tell me it would have been boring to see them fight in the desert or something, besides they went to space. Just enjoy the movie for what it is, a flaw, but good movie.
Havenless
Havenless - 10/31/2013, 7:34 PM
@fangz

Nice that you understood what I was getting at. It probably shouldn't have taken 8 paragraphs, but I like explicitly convening what I'm thinking so you get the full effect. And I very much liked the entirety of IM3. The Mandiarin twists was just fine.

I wasn't necessarily upset with the buildings falling, or the Zod killing, it was the circumstance itself, the 'why'. if you took out the civilian deaths, Zod's death, and the wonton destruction, what's left is what's at issue. Why are they having a beefy brawl? Where is this story going? They could have taken care of Zod 100 different ways, but they put the story on pause for a CGI demonstration you would see in a video game trailer? Superman learning that killing is wrong at the end when he cried out was good, the rest of just pointless.

@Blackjack10

No doubt, but he was gunning for Superman. He would just repeatedly charge him. If Superman went somewhere else, Zod would have followed. It was unnecessary demolition and had little story impact. "How do we take care of Zod now that the main story is over? Video Game Trailer Time!" What did it resolve?
Havenless
Havenless - 10/31/2013, 7:39 PM
@SauronsBane1

The Star Trek one I felt had more to it. The villains were very different. Zod was very straight forward, was only killing because it was necessary for New Krypton. He didn't go out of his way to hurt anyone before the machine began. If there were a bunch of life support ships to save humanity, he wouldn't have shot them out of the sky, he just wanted the planet.

Khan, on the other hand, killed just because. He had every intention of betraying the Enterprise and killing everyone on the ship because he felt like it. He wanted to kill Marcus due to a grudge. He would have continued killing if they didn't stop him. On top of that, Kirk's life was in the balance. You could say the same for Superman, but Kirk's didn't result in thousand of others dying just to save him.
Havenless
Havenless - 10/31/2013, 7:41 PM
@OmegaDaGod

Yes, that would have been better.
Havenless
Havenless - 10/31/2013, 7:53 PM
I got it:

What if the Zod fight happened before Superman took on the World Engine/Black Zero (Which Zod was mostly absent for anyway)?

Zod's point would be to stop Superman from destroying the ships, the neck breaking scene would still have worked, and then we would have gotten the big climax of Faora being sucked into the wormhole. And then Superman would have had the Lois kiss after he catches her from the Black Zero explosion.

It would also explain Superman's disregard for the falling buildings around him. He's in desparation, trying to beat the clock before the World Engine kills more people. And Zod won't let him leave.

A few editing alterations and everything would have fit perfectly in line.
Havenless
Havenless - 10/31/2013, 8:04 PM
@fangz

While I liked CA: TFA, I felt this way about TIH.

Diving into how Banner coped with the problem, the creative ways the army was hunting him, and the college scene was all amazing.

But once 2 giant CGI monsters had an endless haymaker fight in the middle of the city, I couldn't believe the drain this movie was circling down. Why did they think this was how it had to end?

It was also so close to being a truly great CBM.
Havenless
Havenless - 10/31/2013, 8:10 PM
@MAC

To be fair to Evans, CA is virtually impossible to cast.

6'4, built like a professional wrestler, and talks like a 40's army recruiter. If you got a guy to do that, there's no way that movie would have been good.
CPIXLEY
CPIXLEY - 10/31/2013, 8:16 PM
If Zod killed Superman, he would then have killed everyone on Earth...
Havenless
Havenless - 10/31/2013, 8:17 PM
@0megaDaGod

I don't care if it's giant robots, sea monsters, or Hulk vs Abom, seeing 2 CGI characters battling in a live action movie gets extremely tedious. In MoS, they were at least real actors who required the situational CGI double. It was real stunts and far more engaging.

But when it's 2 CGI brutes having a 10 minute scene that included such favorites as 'punch, punch, grab, punch, kick, grab, snarl, punch' over and over, where's the fun?

The scene had 3 or 4 genuinely great moments. Hulk smashing the police car and using it as boxing gloves, thunderclapping the fire, and Abomination's kick that sent Hulk through the building. But why not whittle down a 10 minute haymakerfest into a 5 minute fight that still had all those moments? Wouldn't that have been more thrills-per-minute?

Banner crash lands on the concrete, and gets out of the hole still in Banner form. He has no idea why he's still alive, but it implies the Hulk is still in there somewhere keeping him ticking. Then the first 5 minutes of the fights could be Abomination hunting him and smashing as he does his opening scene parkour stuff inside of damaged buildings, until Abom is distracted by Ross in the Helicopter.

Banner see that Betsy is in there, gets his green back, and does the police car bit to Abom. Abom kicks him through the building, brings down the copter, and it catches fire. Hulk does the thunderclap, Abom catches him offguard with that concrete flail, and then Hulk smashes for the win. Big moment after big moment, much more exciting than when they just run into each other or slam each other up against the building repeatedly.
Havenless
Havenless - 10/31/2013, 8:20 PM
MAC

I liked MoS, I simply preferred IM3. I have zero issue with the Mandarin twist, but the jokes were too fast paced and too many fell flat.

Overall, IM3 was a 7.3, MoS was a 7 flat.
Havenless
Havenless - 10/31/2013, 8:22 PM
Oh and @MAC

I think Evans may be more of the Cap that you're expecting in TWS. I think they kept him as the skinny Steve persona throughout TFA, but the Chitauri thing is the moment that hardens him.

In the comics, he spent many years during WW2, including being on Normandy during D-Day. I don't know if this Cap is intended to be quite that war hardened... yet.
Lhornbk
Lhornbk - 10/31/2013, 8:23 PM
*sigh*, more whining about the destruction in MoS. *sigh*

@OmegaDaGod, were you not paying attention? Zod's original plan was basically to kill Superman and extract the codex. He even asks the scientist in his group if they need Kal to stay alive to get the codex, and the scientist says no. But, that plan went out the window when Superman destroyed the scout ship and all the unborn Kryptonian babies inside it. At that point, the codex became useless. Remember, on Krypton they basically created clone babies, with no specific genetic code until they decided they needed a soldier or scientist or whatever. Then they would put the appropriate DNA into a baby and got whatever they needed (basically, the ultimate form of communism where the government decides from even before birth what job you'll have.) No generic clone babies to put DNA into, and you have no more use for the codex.

Now, you're probably gonna argue that maybe Zod could have used human babies instead. But, first of all Earth has yet to come close to perfecting cloning, especially of humans. And the cloning that we do have basically clones the "parent." We are not even remotely close to being able to create cloned fetuses with no real genetic makeup for someone to stick DNA into. Plus, Zod would have no way of knowing if humans and Kryptonians are gentically compatible, and he's a soldier, not a scientist. When his scientist was killed/sucked into the wormhole/Phantom Zone, Zod's scientific knowledge went with him. And Zod considered natural birth to be heresy, so he probably did not consider trying to mate with a human to be an option. Plus, he was pretty well filled with rage at Kal for destroying the scout ship, so all he had on his mind was revenge, to get even with Kal for, in his mind, committing genocide, by doing the same thing to the humans that Kal loved and was protecting.

Was MoS perfect? No. But it was very good, and the ending was part of what made it good. So stop all the whining and second guessing already.
Prime
Prime - 10/31/2013, 8:26 PM
We do need to get rid of Goyer and give the script to Affleck...what about Snyder?
Havenless
Havenless - 10/31/2013, 8:32 PM
I might rustle a few feathers in saying I think the Goyer hate is a little overblown.

Most people are simply recognizing his faults without giving credit to what he's accomplished.

He wrote Dark City, Blade, Blade II, Jumper, and co-wrote the Batman trilogy. Nolan had a hand in there too, but to discredit anything Goyer did because of that is ridiculous.

Some of his movies have bad lines, but that doesn't immediately justify calling him a hack, or that anyone else is a better option for JLA. He may have proven that you won't get greatness out of him, but he's also proven that you can still get success.

At this point, I'd rather the comfort of knowing JLA will at least be pretty good than let them roll the dice like they did with Green Lantern.
Prime
Prime - 10/31/2013, 8:33 PM
I honestly think its Goyer's fault, but I like MOS and will buy it on ITunes. But some of those ideas sound pretty horrible guys. My opinion anyway. As for not taking the fight out of metropolis, I didn't see The avengers, Spider-Man or Batman taking the fight out of the city. But then again Superman's battle was on a different level.
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