ANT-MAN AND THE WASP Director Sheds Some Light On His 1960s Set FANTASTIC FOUR Movie Pitch

ANT-MAN AND THE WASP Director Sheds Some Light On His 1960s Set FANTASTIC FOUR Movie Pitch

Director Peyton Reed brought Ant-Man to the Marvel Cinematic Universe but he once pitched a Fantastic Four movie to Fox and has now revealed some fresh intel on what that entailed. Read on for details...

By JoshWilding - Jan 15, 2019 02:01 AM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four
Source: Collider
During the early 2000s, 20th Century Fox started developing a Fantastic Four movie and director Peyton Reed signed on to develop that before parting ways with the studio in 2003 over creative differences. Tim Story took his place and we ended up with two pretty underwhelming adventures. 

During a recent Q&A for Ant-Man and The Wasp, Reed was asked about what he had planned for Marvel's First Family and provided some new details on what his version would have looked like.


"I developed it for about a year and we went through some different permutations and some different writers, but yes, one of the big ideas was a set-in-the-’60s thing that at the time was structurally gonna be basically like [The Beatles’] A Hard Day’s Night, where we were not going to even deal with the origin story," the filmmaker explained. 
 
Unfortunately, Reed couldn't get the studio on the same page and their desire to "make a B-movie out of it" is what led to him walking away from Fantastic Four.
 
Reed hasn't talked to Marvel Studios about the upcoming reboot but is sure they know about his interest in the property. "I’ll say that when I was working on Fantastic Four all those years ago, Kevin [Feige] was at Marvel at the time, he was a junior executive under Avi Arad. So Kevin knows of my love and passion for Fantastic Four."

Would you like to see Reed leap from Ant-Man to Fantastic Four? Share your thoughts below.
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ArthurFleck
ArthurFleck - 1/15/2019, 2:49 AM
I find it hard to compartmentalize how I feel about the Antman movies. One the one hand, none of them are bad, they just aren't spectacle-fests like most MCU outings. If the Antman movies dropped before the MCU was a thing, we all would be talking very differently about the Antman movies. They are solid films, just not nearly as solid as most of the other MCU movies of recent. Antman and the Wasp came out right after arguably the most historic comic book movie of all time, Infinity War. That's like watching the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Queen and Pink Floyd play a show together, then next month going to see John Denver perform an acoustic set in a small club. Doesn't mean John Denvers set was somehow crap now, just that compared to the Beatles, Zeppelin, Queen and Floyd show it wasn't as mindblowing of an experience. I tell you, we live in a damn spoiled time. We get movies at a rate and on a scale that we couldn't even fathom ever being a reality when we were kids, somehow we live in a reality where our comic book characters are being made into the highest grossing and overwhelmingly popular form of media in the world, and folks are still sitting complaining it's not good enough yet. I understand the only way to improve something is to objectively critique it, but some of y'all really are taking it too far. The Antman movies are good, fun comedy action movies, they are simpler and closer to being self contained adventures. I would say more grounded but that's not right, if you've seen both the Antman movies they are faaaaaaaaaaaar from being grounded. But my point is they are good movies and people should give them a break. They aren't BAD by any stretch.

Kumkani
Kumkani - 1/15/2019, 4:01 AM
@ArthurFleck - I think what we're seeing in the fandom is some of us are beginning to associate how "good" or "great" a movie is by how "big" it is, and that "bigness" has to do with the scale of the movie and how the narrative links to other stories and narratives.

Remember how in Phase 2 almost every film was linked or tied together by an Infinity stone, event from the Avengers film, or just a clear MCU link and one criticism of the MCU then was that stories didn't stand alone for themselves? That's what I mean. While critics certainly know the MCU story thus far, they don't care about it the way we do.

It's why Black Panther got better reviews and is doing better at the awards circuit than Infinity War, and it's why the latter film has reached a sacrosanct status amongst the fandom to the point that everyone keeps repeating the same generic "Infinity War was superior in every way" statement over and over (because the film isn't receiving the same reverence from people who aren't part of the fandom). That doesn't mean that Infinity War isn't a good film, that I don't like it, or that critics and members of awarding bodies don't. It just means that the "bigness" of the film won't be as appreciated by people who haven't seen all the MCU films or people who have had to watch all of them not because they wanted to for entertainment, but their job demanded that they review it. And truthfully, Infinity War needs to exist in the MCU as we know it today to have been a great film. Take it out and it becomes a film with incoherent character development, a script without detail, and an overstuffed action piece with an unsatisfying ending.

That's probably why AM&TW is getting this much of a kicking too. Here's a film that is by no means an objectively bad film, but because it comes off one of the "biggest" superhero movies to ever exist, an Ant-Man movie isn't ever going to feel "big" enough (no pun intended). I do have my issues with the Ant-Man franchise that would have in my opinion led to more interesting and better films, but they are by no means bad and I quite enjoyed both films (though I liked the first a lot more and admit the second was weaker).
Vigor
Vigor - 1/15/2019, 4:11 AM
@ArthurFleck - yeah... This. All of it
ArthurFleck
ArthurFleck - 1/15/2019, 4:28 AM
@DnA - I definitely get your points and you aren't wrong. Especially about Infinity War and it not being self contained. But that comes with the territory with long form story telling. You dont tune into the episode before the season finale, watch only that one episode and expect a complete narrative. You wouldn't randomly read only chapter 17 of a 20 page book then be disappointed you dont get everything. Is every film that's part of a series automatically eliminated from prestige and awards contention simply because the viewer didnt watch what came before? If that was the case, The Godfather 2 never would have won anything. Granted those are pretty polar examples but you catch my meaning I hope. I wouldn't expect someone who's never seen a Lord Of The Rings movie to have a good time watching Return of the King.

The MCU has been developing character arcs and inside lore for 20+ movies and Infinity War somehow managed to tap into everyone's history and personality and arcs and they devised a story which touched on everyone's key points and what's crazier is how good they did it. It worked. You could have a scene where a mythological god could have a heart felt conversation about personal loss, loved ones and seeking revenge to a talking space Racoon who gives him a cybernetic eye he smuggled up his ass... and it actually made sense, was a heartfelt, funny and charming scene and touched on character traits and the back story of both characters and somehow it all fit just right.

Avengers Infinity War by all rights should have been a disaster, but somehow the Marvel machine pulled it off and with style.

Personally it wasnt my favorite movie of 2018 but from a technical perspective Infinity War deserves absolutely every praise it's gotten and honestly deserves more. I'm not one of those comic fans so easily swept up by hype, so dont quickly dismiss when I say I definitely do feel Infinity War deserves all its hype.
6of13
6of13 - 1/15/2019, 2:50 AM
I don't like setting in the 1960s.

I do agree that the entire origin in not really necessary but would like to see a stylized telling of the origin in the opening titles - maybe in an illustrated or comic book format.
Nebula
Nebula - 1/15/2019, 2:52 AM
@6of13 - Don't remember where I heard it but; once heard a pitch that was like, the four embark on a space/inter-dimensional mission in the 60s and end up in the current day. So they'd be cliche 60s people among the modern world, that would be fun.
Nebula
Nebula - 1/15/2019, 2:51 AM
I like his idea, but Peyton sucks as a director.
The only good in Ant-Man were the bits that were obviously Edgar Wright made, and Ant-Man and the Wasp was just awful.
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