FANTASTIC FOUR Star Toby Kebbell Shares Regrets About Playing A "Goofy" Doctor Doom In 2015 Movie

FANTASTIC FOUR Star Toby Kebbell Shares Regrets About Playing A "Goofy" Doctor Doom In 2015 Movie

Fantastic Four star Toby Kebbell has opened up on his experience working on the 2015 movie, explaining why he believes the issues with the reboot actually started at the top. He also shares some regrets...

By JoshWilding - Feb 10, 2022 10:02 AM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four
Source: Forbes

Fantastic Four was released in 2015 to negative reviews and dismal box office numbers. It's no secret that creative interference from 20th Century Fox and producer Simon Kinberg had an impact on director Josh Trank's vision, which actor Toby Kebbell alluded to during a recent interview with Forbes.

The actor played Doctor Doom in the reboot, but like the version played by Julian McMahon in the previous Fantastic Four movies, it was not a particularly good take on the villain. In fact, he was downright comical, and Kebbell admitted to being disappointed with the way things turned out.

"You know, I'll be entirely honest...I don't think we were a victim of timing, I think we were a victim of bad leadership and organization," the actor revealed. "I mean in charge, in charge, not people creating and working on set. So there were unfortunate things. In Hollywood, you can't ever speak ill and I'm not doing that, I'm just saying while I was there, there was a lot more that could have been done to make that a better thing. There's fans for it. I truly believe it."

"I truly believe Doom is an awesome villain, he's an excellent villain and they kind of always just do something goofy with it. It's a shame," Kebbell continued. "I honestly feel that way. I wouldn't have gone into it thinking, 'Ah, this is going to be another terrible movie.' I thought they had that."

"Why that effort wasn't put in, I don't know. But, yeah I know none of those people will call me back to work with them, so the truth as I see it is that more could have been done by the powers that be. So I hope, I truly hope, that someone does create a great version because I truly believe...I'm a big fan of Doom as a character. He's awesome. So, yeah. I hope they do it just right."

With so much speculation surrounding Trank, it's interesting how quick Kebbell is to point out that the problem was actually with those higher up the pecking order. This echoes what the filmmaker has said, and while we may never know what really happened on the set of Fantastic Four, it was a wasted opportunity. The cast was talented, and it was a different approach to Marvel's First Family that could have easily fit into the aesthetic of the Marvel Universe Fox had created at the time. 

Now, Marvel Studios will reboot the Fantastic Four franchise with Spider-Man director Jon Watts. 

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KWilly
KWilly - 2/10/2022, 10:30 AM
This dude gets it. And I don't blame him for the stench of the movie. Dude was just reading his lines like any other actor.

The MCU has some serious pressure now to get Doom right.

EskimoJ
EskimoJ - 2/10/2022, 11:24 AM
@KWilly - Ironically, I would contend that the MCU has even less pressure to "get it right" due to the overwhelming stench of Doom's prior depictions.

$.02
KWilly
KWilly - 2/10/2022, 11:41 AM
@EskimoJ - They don't have a high bar to clear, yeah. But they can't afford to get it wrong this time. Three strikes, you're out.
MG0019
MG0019 - 2/10/2022, 2:17 PM
@KWilly - Let’s hope Doom doesn’t get the curse of Green Goblin. Where some exec just can’t fathom we want the green villain we know & love.
kingjoeg
kingjoeg - 2/10/2022, 3:18 PM
@KWilly - Jon Watts is amazing with villains in the Spider-Man movies so I have no doubt that Dr Doom will also be amazing
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 2/10/2022, 3:32 PM
@KWilly -
I hope they do a better job with Doom than Kingpin and a lot of their other villains.





I don't want to see Doom turned into a cardboard villain that gets killed off in the first Fantastic Four movie.
NoobNoob
NoobNoob - 2/10/2022, 4:45 PM
@Darkknight2149 - lol, you actually believe he died?
mastakilla39
mastakilla39 - 2/10/2022, 5:05 PM
@KWilly - Yeah his Black Mirror episode was amazing, so he's a good actor. Kinda like a young andy serkis to me as he did a lot of motion capture for the planet of the apes and kong franchise. He was Koba
PerrinNation1
PerrinNation1 - 2/10/2022, 6:44 PM
@KWilly - But the funny thing is….EVERYONE will know Dr. Doom when he is done correctly. The roadmap and guideline to bringing this character to life can be found in almost 60 years of great comics. Follow Stan and Jack…and Byrne…..and do what they did. The problem seems to be Hollywood sometimes out smarts itself. And the result is often the Josh Trank debacle in question.
Darkknight2149
Darkknight2149 - 2/10/2022, 7:51 PM
@NoobNoob -
Did I say that? He's definitely not dead, but his portrayal in the Hawkeye finale was still embarrassing and anticlimactic.

And while I expected him to get a power boost in the MCU, it seemed like they were doing everything in their power to make it as unbelievable as humanly possible. Having him rip open a car door without even straining and then surviving getting hit by a speeding vehicle. Were they trying to be jarring on purpose? Some of the footage I posted almost looks like a parody. His "death" cliffhanger at the end was also rushed and completely unearned.
Godzilla2000Zer
Godzilla2000Zer - 2/10/2022, 10:30 AM
OT Jurassic World Dominion looks beast!
Blergh
Blergh - 2/10/2022, 10:32 AM
@Godzilla2000Zer - carefully optimistic after the trailer, the second one was pure garbage.
Having the original trio back is great but can backfire incredibly harshly if one is killed or outshined by Pratt
suitekid
suitekid - 2/10/2022, 10:40 AM
@Blergh - They should be outshined by Pratt. They’re tertiary characters.
MarvelousMarty
MarvelousMarty - 2/10/2022, 10:48 AM
@Godzilla2000Zer - It really does!
SimplyAz
SimplyAz - 2/10/2022, 10:53 AM
@Godzilla2000Zer -

2 X new trailers out there and first look at LOTR TV show but we get an article about a 7 year old movie. It's annoying
Godzilla2000Zer
Godzilla2000Zer - 2/10/2022, 10:53 AM
@Blergh - I agreed I don't want any of them killed but I don't mind them being outshined by the JW characters
Godzilla2000Zer
Godzilla2000Zer - 2/10/2022, 10:54 AM
@SimplyAz - True I'm surprised it's not on the main page yet.lol
SimplyAz
SimplyAz - 2/10/2022, 10:55 AM
@Godzilla2000Zer -

Exactly it's crazy.
MosquitoFarmer
MosquitoFarmer - 2/10/2022, 11:34 AM
@Godzilla2000Zer - It is a pretty awesome trailer, and it does look like they're finally taking the story to new places.
Godzilla2000Zer
Godzilla2000Zer - 2/10/2022, 11:52 AM
@MosquitoFarmer - Yep agreed who would've guessed that having dinosaurs on the mainland would be such a terrific idea and the fact that they took there time with it is even better.
WarMonkey
WarMonkey - 2/11/2022, 7:14 AM
@SimplyAz - This is a real shame. I used to check into the site throughout the day for years for news but lately a ton of geek stuff is released and this site doesn't even have a simple article on the stuff we can discuss about.

Like yesterday I was scouring the web for Amazon LOTR conversations after the pics dropped and instead of hanging out here I spent hours at other places. AND there still isn't an article up about it, like WTF!

Hey Site Boss, hire me and I'll simply put up a headline with the breaking news and a quick link to a twitter account or instagram or whatever it is and then in the article I will simply write "Discuss, have fun, and be cool to each other"
SimplyAz
SimplyAz - 2/11/2022, 9:16 AM
@WarMonkey -

Yeah it's definitely a shame, even through out the day I was waiting for them do drop eventually but never happened.

Apparently there's a new sister site where they are doing Non Comic Book movies, but has no fan engagement.

Was looking forward to the LOTR discussions as I'd watched the original trilogy last weekend.
Blergh
Blergh - 2/10/2022, 10:31 AM
Fant4stic was victim of a similar issue Justice League was.

It had a director/writer/creator behind it that had a vision, one that pushed "silly" superhero movies into a dark and gritty (aka. edgy) world. Trank's sensibilities are obviously more towards darker realism.
Meanwhile the MCU was flying high on the train of fully embracing comic-book campiness, something that FOX saw and viewed as their key to success.
Clearly these two visions cut each other greatly.

I'm generally not a fan of tearing the camp/comedy away from comic-books that hold them in their essence but it's also pretty obvious that just blatantly copying Marvel's tone isn't what makes these films successes.
the TDK trilogy's tone also wasn't why it was amazing.


Itwasme
Itwasme - 2/10/2022, 12:09 PM
@Blergh - I thought it had a director behind it that went on a huge drug binge....
TheSuperMex
TheSuperMex - 2/10/2022, 10:31 AM
Parts of the movie are good but it goes to shit. His Doom was shit from the get go.
PhoenixBlade
PhoenixBlade - 2/10/2022, 10:33 AM
The design aside, when he first turns up and crushed that guys head, I thought he could’ve saved the film. As it is, it’s the only part of the film I remember. Despite being a big Wolverine fan, it’s Doom I’m most looking forward to in the MCU. He’s Marvel’s best villain imo in fact the only villain better in entertainment would be Joker. So we’ve had nothing but massively underwhelming iterations.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 2/10/2022, 11:55 AM
@SamaelSaint - I truly believe that Sinister has the potential to be up there with Doom and Joker. As long as they don't take this weird, comical, flamboyant Sinister from recent comic years.

If they make him the mastermind that he should be, with his hands in nearly every tragic event that the X-Men have ever faced? And make him serious and an evil genius? He could one of the greatest villains we'll ever see on screen.
PhoenixBlade
PhoenixBlade - 2/10/2022, 12:41 PM
@CorndogBurglar - I have an issue with villains who had a hand in most things that came prior and that’s the fact it undermines all other villains that came before them. Like Bane was so underwhelming when it was revealed it was Talia all along. Or Blofeld in the Daniel Craig Bond films. As long as they don’t undermine anything that’s come before it then it’s all good. There’s always potential when the right writers and actors come in. Killmonger for example, not exactly a great villain in the comics, but personally for me the best we’ve had in the MCU until Dafoe’s Goblin.
CorndogBurglar
CorndogBurglar - 2/10/2022, 1:53 PM
@SamaelSaint - I agree. But thats the cool thing about Sinister. He didn't undermine any other villains. When you look at the worst things to happen to the X-Men, you've basically got Dark Phoenix which he wasn't involved in. There's infant Cable getting infected with the techno virus, which Sinister wasn't involved in.

Then you've got the Mutant Massacre, which he orchestrated. And even though we hadn't seen him yet, you knew that the Marauders were lackeys pulling a job for someone else the whole time. In fact, I believe that story was the first time we heard Sinister's name, when Psylocke read one of the Marauder's minds and saw a silhouette of Sinister.

Then we've Angel losing his feathered wings, which happened during the Mutant Massacre. He got staked to a wall by his wings and they became crippled, which lead to the creation of Archangel and his downward spiral into a dark character. (And Apocalypse giving him metal wings and turning him into the Horseman Death)

Sinister released the Legacy Virus on the world at the end of X-Cutioner's Song. This was actually one of the only times anyone actually got one over on him, because Stryfe brought the Legacy Virus from the future and tricked Sinister into thinking it was the Summers' family genetic code. So Sinister opened it. And countless characters died from the Legacy Virus over several years in the comics. Including Colossus and Illyana.

Then there's Madelyne Prior, the clone of Jean Grey who obviously caused all kinds of problems for Cyclops and the X-Men/X-Factor.

Then Inferno, which he was completely behind, and was the whole master plan for creating Madelyn Prior.

So even though he's been involved in all that stuff, at no point did we think it was another villain, then later revealed to be him. This was all him, which in my mind takes him from being a cheap villain that undermined others, to the X-Men's worst villain. No other X-Men villain has even come close to causing that many serious issues for the X-Men. Not even Magneto or Apocalypse.



parkerray
parkerray - 2/10/2022, 1:58 PM
@SamaelSaint - I wish Dafoe’s Osborn/Goblin could get the screentime/room to develop and breathe of a Loki or Thanos or that Kang may be getting. Every second he’s on screen is fire.

“Who the s**t is Kingsley Zissou? … Thanks. Thanks a lot for not picking me.” -Klaus Daimler
PhoenixBlade
PhoenixBlade - 2/10/2022, 6:27 PM
@CorndogBurglar - I think it depends how they choose to do X-Men as a whole. If they develop it the same way they’ve done the MCU so far then there’d be an awful lot of undermining going on. If they instead choose to I just go all out and give about 20 characters solo films/shows as well as team up films and shows, then there’d be so much going that you could do it. X-Men are definitely big enough for that, in fact X-Men is quite a lot bigger and better than what we’ve had. Depends how invested they’d be in it though and whether you can get that many actors together combined with contracts for that long. We’re going to get to a stage where Marvel will have open casting calls.
abd00bie
abd00bie - 2/10/2022, 10:36 AM
I loved the body horror inspiration though, Junji Ito Frankenstein for sure
MyCoolYoung
MyCoolYoung - 2/10/2022, 10:38 AM
Doom truly is the best marvel villain. I honestly don't remember anything from that movie except "it's fantastic"
JosephCronos92
JosephCronos92 - 2/10/2022, 10:39 AM
You were not the problem Toby, it was 20th century fox greedy ass all the way around.

F4 is back at home and i'm eager to see what Marvel Studios can do with it, hope Feige gives Toby another chance in the MCU if possible.
UXASIS
UXASIS - 2/10/2022, 10:39 AM
I really liked the casting of this movie, I was fine with all the F4 members, and Kebbel as Doom was also fine.

But the writing was totally forgettable. And I'm one of the guys who prefers deeper moving story rather than action every 10 minutes, but this movie seriously lacked action.
TheManWithoutFear
TheManWithoutFear - 2/10/2022, 10:39 AM
Bring back Tim Story. I liked those FF films.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 2/10/2022, 10:41 AM
Despite all the flaws, them OG FF films really hit.
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