FOX'S Fantastic Four Reboot Isn't The Fantastic Four You Know... And That's OK!

FOX'S Fantastic Four Reboot Isn't The Fantastic Four You Know... And That's OK!

Josh Trank's F4 reboot is upon us this week, and it's still receiving a fair bit of hate and critique from fans, but is it really deserving of such hatred prior to release? Hit the jump for an analysis on just that!

Editorial Opinion
By Gutspinner - Aug 03, 2015 07:08 AM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four
We're only a few days away from the release of Josh Trank's controversial Fantastic Four reboot, and many fans still seem to not be overly excited for the film, and on the surface, it IS easy to understand why. The film takes Marvel's first family and drastically alters many things: Johnny Storm is black, Sue is adopted, the whole team is younger than usual, the uniforms are totally different, Thing doesn't even have a uniform, and Dr Doom doesn't look much like Dr Doom. But if you look beyond that, the core elements of the Fantastic Four are still there. The powers seem accurate, Johnny and Sue are siblings (and there is no reason to believe the bond between adopted siblings is any less meaningful and existsent than that of biological siblings), Reed and Ben are best friends, the four are a team (and undoubtedly will be a "family" by the end of the film), and Doom is set to be an extremely powerful adversary for the team to go up against. The film shares the same core aspects as the comics: family, science and standing up to the challenge, no matter how outmatched you may seem.

So if the film shares the same core aspects as the comics, what makes the film seem so outrageously bad? Why can't the filmmakers take some liberties with how the deliver their incarnation of the characters as long as the core elements remain intact? We allow it to happen in comics all the time, in the form of "what if" story lines, mini-series, and alternate publishing lines that deliver stories set in other universes (i.e. Marvel's ultimate comics line, or DC's Vertigo comics). A great example of this is Marvel's Noir universe. In this case, we are specifically talking about Spider-Man Noir. SM Noir is drastically different to the mainstream Peter Parker of Earth-616, but his core elements are the same: he's an arachnid based vigilante, doing his best to ensure his world is a safer place for his loved ones. Beyond that, he hasn't really got much in common with your usual Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-Man. Another great example is Ultimate Thor: Norse God (Asgardian) on Earth, using his enhanced abilities and mystical hammer Mjolnir to fight evil. But Ultimate Thor is something of a hippie, rebelling against the government and "fighting for the people", etc. So if this is acceptable in comics, why not in film? After all, CBMs do simply take place in an alternate universe. 

So in conclusion, why slam a film that isn't even out for being different to the source material if it is, at its core, the same? So what if Johnny Storm is black? The Sue/Johnny situation never would have been possible back when the Fantastic Four were conceived, but times change, and media reflects that. Hell, if Stan Lee, the father of Marvel Comics himself, tells us that there's no issue with Johnny Storm's casting and Sue being adopted, who are we to argue? If you remove the prejudice from your opinion, the trailers for the film don't look half bad. So I urge you - go into the film with an OPEN MIND. Let it be different to Fantastic Four you grew up with, and accept it. You might just find yourself enjoying the movie.
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DrKinsolving
DrKinsolving - 8/3/2015, 9:07 AM
The main difference for me is that we've seen the definitive Fantastic Four in the comics, we haven't seen the definitive Fantastic Four on the big screen
Gutspinner
Gutspinner - 8/3/2015, 9:20 AM
@DrKinSolving totally get where you're coming from, and I too really hope to eventually see the definitive F4 show up on the big screen one day, this is mostly aimed towards the fact people are hating this film in advance solely because it's different. I see what you're saying (it sucks we aren't getting the definitive Fantastic Four) as a totally different point to "They look different"/"Johnny is black and Sue is adopted"/"They're too young", all of which is usually followed up by "screw this movie" and/or really harsh things being wished upon the people involved with the movie.

But yeah, I do totally understand where you are coming from, I just am personally excited for this film and don't like the way people are acting towards it
Castiglione
Castiglione - 8/3/2015, 9:24 AM
I'm sure a lot of people will agree with you, and I just want to say, there is nothing wrong with stating that you like the movie

It Is also Ok, Not To Like This Movie, If That Is How You Feel, Why should we treat this movie any different than we treat any other movie?

If it is your opinion that....

The actors don’t represent the characters from the comics

You don’t like the actors that are cast in the movie

Ultimate Fantastic Four wasn’t “your” Fantastic Four and you prefer the 616

You didn’t like Chronicle

You don’t agree with the direction that the writers, studio, and director have taken for the Fantastic Four

The trailers haven’t gotten you excited

The trailers have actually annoyed you by initially introducing a Sci-Fi and serious take and then later, featuring Kanye West’s “Power” play throughout the trailer in an attempt to get the GA interested.

The interviews with the cast haven’t gotten you excited about the movie, and have actually turned you off because the cast doesn’t seem very excited

It’s another origin story, and you don’t want to see another origin story.

The list goes on and on, and that's just the surface.... If those are the reasons that you are stating, then there is nothing wrong with stating your opinion about this movie.
MrCBM56
MrCBM56 - 8/3/2015, 9:31 AM
I don't go into these movies with a preferential type attitude, which'll probably explain why I'm one of the more excited (and where a lot of my quarrel with you guys comes from). From the looks of it, studio interference, miscommunication, rewrites and re shoots killed the film. Just look at how sci-fi, eerie and enigmatic the teaser is compared to the rest of the trailers. We went from very interesting to formulaic and bland in the span of 3 trailers. Maybe Trank wanted hard sci--fi, Fox wanted traditional superhero tale? Dunno.

Trank also wanted it to be between 2 hrs- 2 hrs and 20 min. Now it's confirmed to be 1 hr and 40 min. C'mon now... We all love to shit and giggle over the previous two films and while maybe well deserved, that film had at least some appeal and charm I see this film lacking.

I like the cast, great talent. The problem is where they're applying the talent.

But with actually chatting a bit with Trank yesterday, he has the utmost confidence and is absolutely stoked for the film. Which made me even more excited. The guy took his time to interact with us and he's got a lot of respect from me. He's really just one of us ;D. I'm walking into the film (very) worried, but also curiosity driven and.. Excited. It's not the film I want. You want. We want. Whatever. And there's been a lot of background rumors but if Ant-Man, one the years biggest surprises, taught us anything. Let's all just wait for the finished product.

“What I do think we had was a very young director making a very big movie. And a director that, for whatever reason, people were either rooting against or his personality troubled the press. So it just got viewed differently than any other movie that’s a tough movie. We came in on schedule, under budget, [with] a movie that was pretty true to the original intent of the film. Whether people like it or not, it was his vision, which was a more grounded, a much more real version of Fantastic Four. Was it an easy production? No. Was it harder than a lot of the movies I’ve been on? No. But I may also have a higher threshold. I think there was something about Josh’s identity that made him a good target. I’m not sure what that is.” - Simon Kinberg
speedyg33
speedyg33 - 8/3/2015, 9:31 AM
Pretty much what @DrHankPym said. This isn't a Johnny is black or Sue is adopted thing. The movie appears to have had no direction. There's the film Trank wanted to make smashed together with a film the studio wanted, and a group of young actors caught in the middle. All the marketing has been about lowering expectations in hopes that we will be mildly surprise that it was better than we expected. They've lowered it to the level that an OK movie would be a surprise.
Gutspinner
Gutspinner - 8/3/2015, 9:36 AM
@DrHankPym I can totally understand that, and I do understand this is just my opinion, I don't expect everyone to agree. What I mostly aimed to do with this article was just remind people to keep an open mind. It's when I see people being absolutely and unnecessarily slanderous and disgusting that frustrates me, especially people saying extremely inappropriate things about what should happen to the cast and crew.

But I do totally respect what you've stated, I just want more people to have an open mind about the film. But I do understand things such as wanting the 616 F4, not liking the trailers Etc. It's the way so many people are acting about it that is ridiculous. I've even seen someone tell someone else on my Facebook news feed to kill themself for saying he was excited for the movie, and that's never ok.

((just to clear this up in case I didn't make it seem that way writing it coz its 2:35 am here in Australia, I do appreciate your points and this is not an attack in any way)
Gutspinner
Gutspinner - 8/3/2015, 9:40 AM
@MrCBM56 I really enjoyed your points in your comment, and I'd love to elaborate, but it's 2:40am here, I have to go, but I'd love to discuss this with you soon
MrCBM56
MrCBM56 - 8/3/2015, 9:46 AM
@Gutspinner Thanks dude, sent you over a friend request. Feel free to message me anytime, sleep well
Castiglione
Castiglione - 8/3/2015, 9:52 AM
@Gutspinner

Cool, I respect your opinions too

As far as the extreme criticism, that happens everywhere, the Ben Affleck/Batman casting, The Ezra/Flash casting, The Mandarin/IM 3 thing, it's one of the embarrassing parts of CBM culture and the Media/Public in general

That stuff is extreme and it's everywhere, I don't let it affect the way I judge a movie though
Castiglione
Castiglione - 8/3/2015, 9:53 AM
@speedyg33

Exactly.
UltimateCookie
UltimateCookie - 8/3/2015, 11:38 AM
This Fantastic Four is obviously taking elements from Ultimate F4 but it's not like the original so some people are butthurt and saying it's not like a specific comic run from what I understand.
kong
kong - 8/3/2015, 6:01 PM
The big problem with fanboys is that they believe that these movies are being made for them. They're not. They're being made for the wallets of the people at the studios. and who helped make this film.

Not making a movie the way YOU want it ot be made does NOT make the movie bad. The only things that actually could lead to people thinking this movie could be bad are the rumors that said Josh Trank wasn;t cooperative. But those are RUMORS. If there's a rumor that fans like they say its true, but if it's a rumor they DON"T like they say it's bs rumor that isn't even worthy of a full grain of salt. Since fans were already blindly hating on this film, as soon as negative stuff came out they grabbed on to that and rode the train.

Give me an argument as to why YOU think this will be bad, that DOESN'T have to do with differences between the comic and the trailers. You don't have to like them, but straight up saying it's a BAD movie without seeing it is stupid.
exsurgent
exsurgent - 8/3/2015, 8:32 PM
Thank you so much for this post. I'm a huge fan of hard science fiction, so as soon as I heard this reboot would be focusing on the science of the fantastic four, I was hooked. But I kept seeing such virulent Hate, with a capital H for this movie. I've become disenchanted with the superhero genre in general: wearing skin-tight suits for pretty much no good reason, the illogical reactions to your body being changed on a fundamental level, so it was so refreshing to see a superhero movie where the heroes had functional suits that fit their powers and were actually scared shitless when they start bursting into flame or their feet are way too far away from their body. And it wasn't humorless either, because realism doesn't have to imply excessively gritty grimdarkness.

I can understand if you legitimately don't like a movie, but it was so annoying seeing people trying to boycott this movie and wanting the rights to revert to Marvel so they can do the F4 "right". After I watched Ultron, and even Ant-Man, I don't think I can trust the MCU to do anything right.

I'm probably a minority here, but god forbid the first superhero movie comes out that actually appeals to me and people wanna shit all over it.
Gutspinner
Gutspinner - 8/3/2015, 9:48 PM
@MrHankPym yeah, it really does suck. It'd just be nice if once people on the internet could go "I'm not overly excited for this reason, and this etc, but I'm not going to completely lose my civility and give a total unmovable opinion before I actually see it, I'm going to wait until I've seen it to make a judgement". Like you said, Batfleck. So many people saw that trailer and were just like, "Oh, we really [Frick]ed up that judgement call".

@SpeedyG I do Totally understand those points too, this is mostly aimed at those people who do hate it for the reasons I listed. But yeah, I do understand a lot of people disliking things such as the apparent lack of direction, though I do believe lot of the troubling BTS issues in regards to that were mostly rumours.

@UltimateCookie yeah, there are those who have a negative opinion based on certain aspects, and then there are people who are acting very butthurt and childish solely because it's not a copy and paste from the comics. It's quite disheartening when people act that way.

@AlexanderLykins despite my excitement for Track's F4, I cannot express just how strong my desire is for the definitive F4 to show up on screen someday

@Kong exactly!

@exsurgent you're very welcome, glad you appreciate it! While I do have a different view on the genre as a whole (I am still quite enjoying superhero movies, but I've no problem with you feeling differently), I do agree with how appealing the true science-fiction aspect of this film is. Especially when you think about it, the truly great F4 series are always about science and exploration just as much as they are about superheroes and family.
CyclopsWasRight
CyclopsWasRight - 8/3/2015, 10:55 PM
Thank you for this editorial, I love the responses from everyone here. It brought out the civilized disccusionists inside all of us - thanks.
UltimateTypeface
UltimateTypeface - 8/4/2015, 12:17 AM
Its not OK.

I dont care about skin colour or science based explanations...

BUT GIVE ME A SPELL!

Dr Doom is possibly the greatest villian in comic book history (appol. Joker)

Why cant these douche-bag directors just deliver Victor the way he is meant to be? Why do they think Stan and Jack got it so wrong that they need to add their own wanky ideas to a perfect character.

Go and see it if you want.. Im saving my money and waiting for a decent tranlation of the source material.

Sorry to wreck your civilised discussion.
Gutspinner
Gutspinner - 8/4/2015, 2:51 AM
@SpiderHyphenMan no problem mate, I was really hoping the content of this editorial would be something that would spark intellectual debate on the topic without all the unnecessary trolling, mission accomplished for the most part, I believe. Absolutely everyone who commented had amazing and well-written points, and I'm really proud it occurred on my thread :D

@UltimateTypeFace I think this is most likely due to the theme of the first one, I don't think there is room for magic in this installment. As far as we know, the film could end with Doom going off to hone his skills in the Dark Arts. Tony Kebell has already confirmed he IS from Latveria and his mother WAS a gypsy. Definitely sounds like they are potentially setting him up for sorcery later down the road. And again, even though they may change this, and you may not like this fact, it doesn't make it a bad MOVIE, per se. The movie itself could still be fine.
CherryBomb
CherryBomb - 8/4/2015, 4:45 AM
The Fantastic Four was originally a younger team.
Reed was in his mid 20's, Johnny was in High school and Sue was even quite a bit younger than Reed.
So this "they're too young" argument is all bull.

NOW, decades later, the fantastic four in comics are older, they weren't always that way and it has nothing to do with Ultimates.

Everything I loved and admired about Johnny Storm had nothing to do with the fact he was white.
Also, my mother was adopted and she has just as close of a bond with her adopted sisters as any blood related sibling has.
They're Marvel's first family and they're presenting a more modern type of family and I think that's wonderful.
Gutspinner
Gutspinner - 8/4/2015, 5:36 AM
@CherryBomb yeah exactly, the colour of his skin is totally irrelevant as long as the character is right. And the whole adoption thing is absolutely equally as legitimate as biological families. Like I said, and I can see you are too, it totally comes down to the times. Of course the Fantastic Four would never have been as they are when they were conceived, but now it's totally normal and acceptable.
TheOverlord
TheOverlord - 8/4/2015, 9:03 PM
@CherryBomb - Not exactly, but it still doesn't matter. As long as they tell a good story, I'll be on board. Unfortunately, this doesn't look like it'll be that.

TheOverlord
TheOverlord - 8/4/2015, 9:04 PM
P.S. - That was from the letters page in FF #11.
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