WICKED Director Jon M. Chu Talks THE WIZARD OF OZ Connections And [SPOILER] And [SPOILER]'s Surprise Cameos

WICKED Director Jon M. Chu Talks THE WIZARD OF OZ Connections And [SPOILER] And [SPOILER]'s Surprise Cameos

Wicked is shaping up to be one of the biggest movies of the year, and filmmaker Jon M. Chu has now broken down the musical's connection to The Wizard of Oz and those two fantastic cameos. Check it out...

By JoshWilding - Nov 25, 2024 02:11 PM EST
Filed Under: Fantasy
Source: Variety (via SFFGazette.com)

Wicked arrived in theaters this weekend and looks set to continue breaking box office records heading into Thanksgiving. It's already had the biggest global and domestic opening for a movie based on a Broadway show and many believe an Oscar is in Ariana Grande's future.

The stage show is a phenomenon, of course, so this level of success was to be expected. Wicked, the first half of a two-parter, pays homage to that with cameos from Kristin Chenoweth and Idina Menzel.

They played Glinda and Elphaba on Broadway and, according to director Jon M. Chu, finding them a memorable role in the movie was a must.

"They weren’t just going to come to do whatever," the filmmaker tells Variety (via SFFGazette.com). "Our inner circle thought of all sorts of things to present to them. Does Kristin play Glinda’s mom? Are they one of the people who says 'The Wizard will see you now'? It always felt underwhelming."

"We had to give them something big. We had this section in 'Wizomania' that needed backstory that we didn’t need in the show: What is the Grimmerie? And an understanding of how the Wizard came to Oz. I was like, ‘What if we do this section as a play? It was supposed to be an amusement park ride like 'It’s a Small World,' which was a fun concept. But if it’s a show, then it’s sort of meta."

"Idina and Kristin play the two most famous actors in Oz. They get to be glamorous and people get to applaud them," Chu continues. "Stephen Schwartz immediately knew what to do and added Idina’s Elphaba war cry and interplay of pushing each other out of the way. It’s fun playing off the lore of two mega stars in the show."

Trailers for Wicked haven't shied away from showing The Wizard of Oz's Dorothy, Tin Man, Scarecrow, and Cowardly Lion, and the movie opens with them walking down the Yellow Brock Road after the Wicked Witch of the West is killed. 

The hope and expectation is that we'll see much more of them in Wicked: Part Two, something that's been confirmed by shots of them meeting The Wizard in the trailers mentioned above (those scenes weren't in this first instalment).

Chu broke down why he included that nod to The Wizard of Oz in the movie and whether Dorothy will be a full-blown character in the sequel. 

"'The Wizard of Oz' is potentially a dream. It’s a world where there are no real stakes. Knowing that Elphaba and Glinda live in a world of real stakes, we had to reestablish with the audience that this was real. So we dropped everyone into the crime scene, maybe the most famous crime scene ever in cinema and literature, of the iconic hat in the puddle."

"We see the full landscape of Oz. It’s this living, breathing place with real cultures, so we immediately establish this is not a dream world. Seeing those four characters also triggers something in your mind; you connect those characters with this place. And we will revisit those characters in movie two."

"In the show, Dorothy is around. They have to intersect, and you can only tease it so much. I won’t say whether she’s a character, necessarily, in movie two. There’s a part of me that wants everyone’s Dorothy to be the whatever Dorothy they want. And yet, there is interaction and some crossover. So I’ll leave that up to 'Part Two.'"

However, with MGM in charge of The Wizard of Oz's rights, there were some things Wicked - a Universal production - was unable to make use of in this big screen adaptation. 

"We had boundaries of what we could reference or not. We never use the ruby slippers. Nessa has on crystal slippers as in the Frank L. Baum book, Gregory Maguire book and the show," Chu explains. "I don’t think the phrase 'yellow brick road' is copywritten, but definitely the shape of the road is. We couldn’t do the spiral. We had to do a circle that continues to show it’s not where the road ends."

Wicked stars Cynthia Erivo as Elphaba and Ariana Grande as Glinda.

They're joined by Oscar winner Michelle Yeoh as Shiz University's regal headmistress Madame Morrible; Jonathan Bailey as Fiyero, a roguish and carefree prince; Tony nominee Ethan Slater as Boq, an altruistic Munchkin student; Marissa Bode in her feature-film debut as Nessarose, Elphaba's favoured sister; and pop culture icon Jeff Goldblum as the legendary Wizard of Oz.

The movie is now playing in theaters, while Wicked: Part Two follows on November 21, 2025. 

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Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 11/25/2024, 2:11 PM
Jonathan Majors was a vey welcomed cameo..after do muh negativity..thaks Wiked noe bring Sir Pablo Lyle for the squeakel
Lisa89
Lisa89 - 11/25/2024, 2:21 PM
@Malatrollva - You need a second joke.
LibraMatter
LibraMatter - 11/25/2024, 2:29 PM
Saw this yesterday with my wife and damn, so good! We watched the live musical at the Pantages theater and this was as good or better. Everyone is so damn talented in it. I don’t usually like musicals either but for some reason Wicked is one of the exceptions. The only gripe for many people is the time length . It does feel a little long but makes perfect use of the time. Creates a connection between the two women. Also gives a good amount of world building.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/26/2024, 11:36 AM
@LibraMatter - I tend to feel the issue for some with musicals is oft they are ONLY a vehicle for songs (which may not be their preferred genre/style of music) thus the story is kinda meh with a weak narrative in a lot of cases.

THAT or it is a drama with songs inserted which can detract from the narrative, feeling forced, thus irk some.

Wicked I tend to feel is on of those exceptions, as in the writer of the book grew up loving the WoZ film so when wanting to do a character study story about the nature of good and evil and of how a good person that is led down a path to becoming almost 2-dimensionaly evil (like your RL Hitlers or Bin Laden's) he chose in to use the iconic characters and locations from that film as a basis.

As such it has well thought out vast world building and underlying story but as inspired ultimately by a musical film lends itself well to include song thus IF well adapted has every chance of working on all levels. Also means it has the color, fun and songs for the kids whilst at the same time having an underlying narrative about ethics (experimentation on 'animals'), equality and political propoganda for the adults to dwell on/discuss so again has every chance to work for an entire family not just the kids dragged along to a film the parents will enjoy or, more commonly, vice versa.
LibraMatter
LibraMatter - 11/26/2024, 12:57 PM
@Apophis71 - very well articulated! I agree, the different themes that this film/stage production/ novel touch upon are very mature and relevant to current times. Toy Story and a few Pixar films do the same thing and it puts trust in the audience to be smart enough to take on these subjects and still be able to enjoy the movies with their families.

Regarding the songs and musical aspect, I really enjoy it when a song expands upon a feeling or pushes the story further in the narrative. Wicked does both of those things. I really hate when musicals use the songs as fluff or just saying mundane things like “I’m walking down the street it’s a street, oh look a flower. Now I’ll continue to walk”. Feels like over kill and just takes away from the importance that a song can bring to the story. Wicked’s songs are powerful at times and do a great job of expanding the characterization or the story.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/26/2024, 1:09 PM
@LibraMatter - I love a LOT of musicals, was brought up on them regardless if I wanted to watch/liked them of not) and panto's (which I DID love as a kid and still do if well performed on stage, give or take with film adaptions) so I tend to give them all a shot at least.

Like you say however the best of them use music to explore emotions in a way words can oft fall short of doing.

Buffy doing a musical episode is a good example of that in that the narrative and songs gave far more exploration of where all the characters were emotionaly speaking and underlying backstory details than I'd argue could ever easily have been done otherwise without the episode dragging heavily.

For sure if it is just the 'I'm walking down the street' type songs just for the sake of an excuse to have a song they normaly end up meh to bad unless intentionaly doing that in a lampooning type show/film where it sometimes can work, but not oft.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 11/25/2024, 5:20 PM
And yet they have a green-skinned witch. Shouldn't that be copyright MGM?
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/26/2024, 11:40 AM
@ObserverIO - Unsure which came first, but green-skinned witches isn't unique to the MGM film so even if at one time (if the first example) there is so many other times that trope has been used they would fail in trying to litigate over that aspect.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 11/26/2024, 11:50 AM
@ObserverIO - BTW, unsure how conclusive the evidence is of it but do recall reading way back that due to pricking (ie repeated piercing of the skin with needles or dagger like instruments to find the 'witches mark' which was believed to never bleed or bruise) during witch trials gangrene was common by the time they were on public display (for instance when being burned at the stake or during a ducking trial) which is one speculated origin for green skinned witches.

IF that is where MGM got the idea from or not is unclear, may be coincidental and just a creative choice whilst experimenting with early color films, however it was that film that resulted in the trope making it into popular media I think.

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